question about canadian to US customs
 

I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks

Sheesh,if that woman wayyyy over yonder across the big pond locates a
Lowe radio for me,it probally wouldn't cost much more than that to ship
it all the way over here from England.
cuhulin

This sounds awful smelly to me. I've bought and sold radios from
Canada with no problems at all other than filling out the standard
customs slip when shipping from here. My advice would be to just not
pay it.

Frank


mike maghakian wrote:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and
today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW
what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these
crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:26:38 -0800, "mike maghakian"
wrote:

I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?


Did they phone you and get your approval in advance for the amount? Verbal
authorization is just as good as written.

If not, I would tell them you did not authorize them and ask for their
instructions on how to return the radio and get a full refund of all charges.

If they did phone you and got you to approve the amount, then it is partly your
own fault for agreeing.

Contact the shipper and ask them to help sort it out.

For future reference, Fed Ex does not charge for customs brokerage betwen the
U.S. and Canada (but please double check).

I think Purolater is terible for this kind of thing.

Or ask the shipper to use the Post Office (it can still be shipped express).

I have bought radios Canada and from Jacky's in the UAE and never paid a cent
of duty.

On 08 Feb 2005 02:00:34 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote:

Cripes!! Sounds like a good reason to avoid doing business with Canadian
vendors unless there is no other alternative.

The problem is in Purolater's U.S. operations, not in Canada (except that the
shipper should not have shipped by Purolater as they are terrible for this kind
of thing.


Good luck! I hope you get it sorted out...

-=jd=-

"mike maghakian" ) writes:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

I have no idea about Canada to the US, but many a times people have complained
of ordering something from the US, and getting stuck with a brokerage
fee. It has everything to do with the the courrier company.

The complaints in the local "consumer action" column usually eventually
resulted in the charges being dropped, but that was likely a goodwill thing.
I don't think this is ever spelled out, and the only way you know it will
happen is because you've heard of it happening before.

Not that I order much from the US, but I'd always check how they ship.
Regular post office shipping never gets those brokerage fees.

Michael

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks

mike maghakian wrote:

I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and today
I got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what
they are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these
crumbs ?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks

I believe you are being hosed (to use the Cdn expression). NAFTA (N. Amer
free trade agreement) says you can be charged sales tax on locale where you
take charge of the package but radios (amateur, SW) are customs exempt b/n
the 2 countries. Period. I had a fight with UPS from the USA to Canada
where they thought I should pay a brokerage fee. To get delivery I had to
pay it and then appealed through Canada customs. I was refunded the
amount. UPS threatened me several times before the appeal went through. I
just ignored them and forwarded their correspondence to customs. I only
buy things now shipped by postal service, which frankly takes usually only
an extra day or two and avoids this sort of extortion. The US and Cdn
postal services do an excellent job of cross border shipping in my
experience doing this with 4 radios, 3 computers and various other things
like books and parts. And they are cheaper for basic shipping costs.

I think the shyster courier companies think they can make a buck from you by
standing there with the package and saying they won't deliver unless you
fork out. I don't do business with any company who won't ship the way I
want it.

So hold your ground and complain. Refuse to pay. If you never use
purolator again, they can't hold a package for future extortion.

mike maghakian wrote:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks



Not sure about your situation, but I know we get hit for the same sort
of stuff when it comes the other way via courier. I got hit once and
since then make a point of checking the shipping method. Post Office
seems OK with a $5 (at least that's what it was last time) flat fee.

Couriers add a variety of charges just for crossing the border. They
don't seem to advertise it, but if you ask they are quite willing to
list the charges which seem to be based on a percentage of the value of
the shipment in my experience.

I have an HP computer which HP US is quite prepared to service, but
absolutely will not have anything to do with shipping it across the
border southbound; so I assume it is common practice.

Dave

thanks for the insight, in my case they delivered the package and LATER
mailed the bill !

I will be calling purolator tomorrow and putting the pressure on them. I
will mention they are illegally collecting customs and fraudulently trying
to collect excesssive fees.



I believe you are being hosed (to use the Cdn expression). NAFTA (N. Amer
free trade agreement) says you can be charged sales tax on locale where
you
take charge of the package but radios (amateur, SW) are customs exempt b/n
the 2 countries. Period. I had a fight with UPS from the USA to Canada
where they thought I should pay a brokerage fee. To get delivery I had to
pay it and then appealed through Canada customs. I was refunded the
amount. UPS threatened me several times before the appeal went through. I
just ignored them and forwarded their correspondence to customs. I only
buy things now shipped by postal service, which frankly takes usually only
an extra day or two and avoids this sort of extortion. The US and Cdn
postal services do an excellent job of cross border shipping in my
experience doing this with 4 radios, 3 computers and various other things
like books and parts. And they are cheaper for basic shipping costs.

I think the shyster courier companies think they can make a buck from you
by
standing there with the package and saying they won't deliver unless you
fork out. I don't do business with any company who won't ship the way I
want it.

So hold your ground and complain. Refuse to pay. If you never use
purolator again, they can't hold a package for future extortion.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:05:33 -0800, "mike maghakian"
wrote:

thanks for the insight, in my case they delivered the package and LATER
mailed the bill !

I will be calling purolator tomorrow and putting the pressure on them. I
will mention they are illegally collecting customs and fraudulently trying
to collect excesssive fees.


Neither of those is completely true actually.

I would concentrate on the fact that you did not approve it if you want to get
results.

OK, you seem to be a lot more experienced at this than me. I will try your
way first.


"Don Brady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:05:33 -0800, "mike maghakian"

wrote:

thanks for the insight, in my case they delivered the package and LATER
mailed the bill !

I will be calling purolator tomorrow and putting the pressure on them. I
will mention they are illegally collecting customs and fraudulently trying
to collect excesssive fees.


Neither of those is completely true actually.

I would concentrate on the fact that you did not approve it if you want to
get
results.

mike maghakian wrote:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks



I'll know more about customs in a day or two, as I've got a telescope
arriving from Germany tomorrow or Wednesday.

The German courier charged $200 for insured shipping and it weighs just
over 30 pounds.

It'll be delivered by Fedex, and they required me to fill out a CBP Form
5106 before they could get it released from customs, but my impression
is the only thing I'll be billed for is the actual duty imposed by customs.

I remember one seller saying something to the effect you'd think we were
at war when it comes to importing radios between the USA and Canada.

I've also noticed some Canadian radio sellers hand carry radios across
the border to ship to US customers.

MM,

MSH,

this is useful info !

thanks !



"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...
MM,
.
Blame it on the Canadian Seller.
.
For 'used' electronic equipment that are bought at Auction.
There is no US Customs Duty for items costing less than $800.
However, if the Canadian Seller does not specifically Declare
(Write Down) that the item is 'used' electronic equipment; or
Declares that the the Item is NEW Electronic Equipment then
you, the Buyer, are stuck with paying the Bill for their mistake.
.
jm2cw ~ RHF
.
.
= = = mike maghakian wrote:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and
today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW
what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these
crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks

I have heard many stories from Canadian Hams who have been charged
these kind of fees by the courier companies. UPS has come in for
strong criticism from this group.
Canada Post/Customs charges a $5.00 handling fee on shipment sent
via US Post plus whatever Sales taxes apply. Some Canadian Hams who
live near the border rent Post Office boxes in US border towns. They
take their radio purchases through the Customs shack at the border, pay
the proper customs charge (if any) and avoid the extortion mentioned
above.
Bob

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
mike maghakian wrote:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and
today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what
they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these
crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks



I'll know more about customs in a day or two, as I've got a telescope
arriving from Germany tomorrow or Wednesday.

The German courier charged $200 for insured shipping and it weighs just
over 30 pounds.

It'll be delivered by Fedex, and they required me to fill out a CBP Form
5106 before they could get it released from customs, but my impression
is the only thing I'll be billed for is the actual duty imposed by
customs.

I remember one seller saying something to the effect you'd think we were
at war when it comes to importing radios between the USA and Canada.

I've also noticed some Canadian radio sellers hand carry radios across
the border to ship to US customers.


I've gotten stuff from Germany, England, Portugal, Canada and Latvia and
NEVER have I been charged a customs fee. This includes several ham rigs and
never even HEARD of an FCC filing fee.

On a $200.00 radio? Doesn't make sense. I bought one watch from
Canada for $250.00 and the customs broker fee was around $30.00 from
UPS. Call them...I think they made a mistake.


mike maghakian wrote:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and
today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW
what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these
crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks

Let us know how this turns out. I like to hear these happy stories of the
little guy fighting the evil corporate hegemony. ;)

mike maghakian wrote:

OK, you seem to be a lot more experienced at this than me. I will try your
way first.


"Don Brady" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:05:33 -0800, "mike maghakian"

wrote:

thanks for the insight, in my case they delivered the package and LATER
mailed the bill !

I will be calling purolator tomorrow and putting the pressure on them. I
will mention they are illegally collecting customs and fraudulently
trying to collect excesssive fees.


Neither of those is completely true actually.

I would concentrate on the fact that you did not approve it if you want
to get
results.

-=jd=- wrote:



It doesn't matter to me if it's a US "thing" or a Canadian "thing", a
Purolator "thing" or a UPS "thing" -- those are (presumably) fees that
*can* be legitimately assessed if you have either a complacent seller or
buyer. Those combined fees, in comparison to the value of the item
purchased, are *CLEARLY* into the percentage range that would trigger a
rapturous orgasm in most any liberal politician.

That's just plain dumb, unless you have a woody for 'liberal politicians'
whatever the horse feathers you think they are. It was a profit-oriented
corporation - you know the kind of rich conservatives that Bush calls "my
base" (that's Al Quaeda in Arabic just to tie in an equally silly
connection). I think these sorts of fees are more likely to give those
sort of Scrooge McDuck types of folks tingles in their naughty bits.

Whatever happened to I P Urin, Commissar etc., etc.?

running dogg ) writes:
Dave Holford wrote:

RHF wrote:
MSH,
.
I have had two Canadian Sellers that wanted regular
USPS Money Orders to Cash at the USPS Post Office
on the US Side of the Border and Mailed the Radio and
the Antenna at the same USPS Post Office in the USA.
.
They both claimed that this process saved them 22%
Combined Canadian Sales Taxes; and eliminated the
Canadian / US Customs hassles and fees.
.
it worked for me ~ RHF
.
.


Not that it really matters in this context; but I have difficulty
figuring out how one gets 22% Combined Canadian Sales Taxes unless they
add an extra 7% or so for themselves. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

Taking it across the border personally is definitely the solution.

Dave

I guess this is the reason why books cost 20% more in Canada than the
US-the same book, with a US price on it that's 20% less than the
Canadian price listed right below the US price.

No, that's because the two country's dollars aren't equal, and there
may be additional cost in getting it here. If a book has enough
demand in Canada, it's easier to add the Canadian price than require
someone to add a price sticker after the fact.

There is clearly quite a bit of cluelessness in this thread.

Michael

running dogg wrote:
Dave Holford wrote:


RHF wrote:

MSH,
.
I have had two Canadian Sellers that wanted regular
USPS Money Orders to Cash at the USPS Post Office
on the US Side of the Border and Mailed the Radio and
the Antenna at the same USPS Post Office in the USA.
.
They both claimed that this process saved them 22%
Combined Canadian Sales Taxes; and eliminated the
Canadian / US Customs hassles and fees.
.
it worked for me ~ RHF
.
.


Not that it really matters in this context; but I have difficulty
figuring out how one gets 22% Combined Canadian Sales Taxes unless they
add an extra 7% or so for themselves. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

Taking it across the border personally is definitely the solution.

Dave


I guess this is the reason why books cost 20% more in Canada than the
US-the same book, with a US price on it that's 20% less than the
Canadian price listed right below the US price.



I think it is more likely due to the difference in value of the Canadian
and U.S. dollars. Back when the Canadian dollar was equal to, or even a
little more valuable than, the U.S. dollar prices were about equal.

If it takes $12Can to purchase $10US one would expect a product selling
for $5US to cost $6Can. If it costs $6Can and is exported to the US I
would expect it to cost $5US - When I cross the toll bridge to or from
the US the fee depends on whether I pay in Canadian or US currency -
regardless of which I use the value is the same.

Dave

RHF wrote:
DH,
.
It is my understanding that in Canada there a
.
+ National/Federal Sales/Value Added Taxes.
.
+ Provincial/State Sales/Value Added Taxes.
.
+ Local Sales/Value Added Taxes.
.
These vary from location to location and they do Add-Up
to some rather high Double Digit Percentage Tax Rates
when one simply Buys Something at Home :-{
.
believe it or not ~ RHF
.
.


Federal Value Added Tax = GST
Provincial Sales Tax = PST (In some provinces)

Some provinces combine them into a Harmonized Sales Tax = HST

Maximum should be 15%

I don't know for certain, but I don't believe any cities have general
sales or value added taxes, although some have things like hotel taxes.

Dave

"RHF" wrote in news:1107843790.043485.225600
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

MSH,
.
I have had two Canadian Sellers that wanted regular
USPS Money Orders to Cash at the USPS Post Office
on the US Side of the Border and Mailed the Radio and
the Antenna at the same USPS Post Office in the USA.
.
They both claimed that this process saved them 22%
Combined Canadian Sales Taxes; and eliminated the
Canadian / US Customs hassles and fees.
.
it worked for me ~ RHF
.
.



http://www.taxtips.ca/provincial_sales_tax.htm

The highest rate of combined GST/PST you'll find in Canada is in Quebec,
where it is 15.5%. (1.07*1.075)

CF,

I am only guessing,but probally them MontrealDUH frogs.You know how it
is with them QubecDUHS,they hate all things that are not froglandiaDUH.
cuhulin

In article , dxAce
wrote:

uncle arnie wrote:

Let us know how this turns out. I like to hear these happy stories of the
little guy fighting the evil corporate hegemony. ;)

I prefer to hear stories about the good folks kicking Canada's ass.

That seems to happen in this news group every day.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
uncle arnie wrote:

wrote:

I am only guessing,but probally them MontrealDUH frogs.You know how it
is with them QubecDUHS,they hate all things that are not froglandiaDUH.
cuhulin

Racist.

Can't you at least use a short list of morons in a kill file that post
nothing but nonsense every day?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

mike maghakian wrote:
I bought a radio for $215 from someone in canada a few weeks ago and today I
got a bill from the carrier (purolator) company.

the main items we

estimated customs $15
brokerage fee $18
surety bond fee $30
disbursement of funds $5
FCC filing $15

total was $85 on a $215 radio


for those that have experience with this matter, or actually KNOW what they
are talking about, I have some questions.

Am I being taken for a ride ?
I didn't sign anything so why should I pay over $50 in fees to these crumbs
?
Is there a way to fight this ?

thanks





First of the year, new procedures went into place at the
Canadian border with the US. Installed by Customs on our side,
specifically in reference to items of high technology. Things are
far more complex now, than they were in December. I bought some
equipment in late December from a purveyor in Montreal. An attempt
was made to ship shortly after Jan 1 once all the funds had cleared,
and the paperwork was believed completed. The shipment bounced at
the border due to incomplete paperwork, and had to be resubmitted.
It took nearly 3 weeks just to get all the i's dotted and t's
crossed by the attorneys working for the equipment company just to
get FedEx to take the package. The delivery was finally completed a
week ago.

The package was opened and inspected at the border. Inspected
quite thoroughly, btw.

Now, all this was included in the purchase price, so there was
no additional cost to me, but all the items you present here were on
the duplicate bills of lading that came with the package.


Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.

Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.

Peter Maus wrote:

First of the year, new procedures went into place at the
Canadian border with the US. Installed by Customs on our side,
specifically in reference to items of high technology. Things are
far more complex now, than they were in December. I bought some
equipment in late December from a purveyor in Montreal. An attempt
was made to ship shortly after Jan 1 once all the funds had cleared,
and the paperwork was believed completed. The shipment bounced at
the border due to incomplete paperwork, and had to be resubmitted.
It took nearly 3 weeks just to get all the i's dotted and t's
crossed by the attorneys working for the equipment company just to
get FedEx to take the package. The delivery was finally completed a
week ago.

The package was opened and inspected at the border. Inspected
quite thoroughly, btw.

Now, all this was included in the purchase price, so there was
no additional cost to me, but all the items you present here were on
the duplicate bills of lading that came with the package.

Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.

Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.

Peter,

Where can we obtain all the paper work and details for shipping from
Canada?

Thanks

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Telamon wrote:

In article , dxAce
wrote:

uncle arnie wrote:

Let us know how this turns out. I like to hear these happy stories of
the little guy fighting the evil corporate hegemony. ;)

I prefer to hear stories about the good folks kicking Canada's ass.

That seems to happen in this news group every day.

I prefer that people be tolerant and respectful. But you are right, the
other happens everyday.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:15 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:

Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.


I agree.

Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.

I'd be more optimistic than that.

Brokers have always called me to ask my permission before incurring charges.
I think that is customary.

starman wrote:

Peter Maus wrote:

First of the year, new procedures went into place at the
Canadian border with the US. Installed by Customs on our side,
specifically in reference to items of high technology. Things are
far more complex now, than they were in December. I bought some
equipment in late December from a purveyor in Montreal. An attempt
was made to ship shortly after Jan 1 once all the funds had cleared,
and the paperwork was believed completed. The shipment bounced at
the border due to incomplete paperwork, and had to be resubmitted.
It took nearly 3 weeks just to get all the i's dotted and t's
crossed by the attorneys working for the equipment company just to
get FedEx to take the package. The delivery was finally completed a
week ago.

The package was opened and inspected at the border. Inspected
quite thoroughly, btw.

Now, all this was included in the purchase price, so there was
no additional cost to me, but all the items you present here were on
the duplicate bills of lading that came with the package.

Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.

Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.


Peter,

Where can we obtain all the paper work and details for shipping from
Canada?

Thanks

I didn't handle any of the paperwork, so I can't answer that.
That was all handled on the far end.





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Don Brady wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 13:58:15 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


Your recourse would lie in that neither Purolator, nor the
shipper, secured your release concering the additional charges.
Then, again, it may be presumed that, as a party to an international
transaction, you would have been aware of the procedural costs
before you entered into the transaction.



I agree.


Your chances of recovery are, at best, slim.


I'd be more optimistic than that.

Brokers have always called me to ask my permission before incurring charges.
I think that is customary.




In my own case, I never heard from the broker.


It was all handled on the shipper's end.

Don Brady wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:47 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


In my own case, I never heard from the broker.


It was all handled on the shipper's end.



Yes but your authorization for additional charges was not needed since there
were no additional charges, I gather.






Yes, I believe I've said that.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:36:20 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:

Don Brady wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:47 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


In my own case, I never heard from the broker.

It was all handled on the shipper's end.

Yes but your authorization for additional charges was not needed since there
were no additional charges, I gather.

Yes, I believe I've said that.

He should have heard from his broker for prior approval since there would be
looking for him to pay.

Don Brady wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:36:20 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:


Don Brady wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:08:47 GMT, Peter Maus
wrote:



In my own case, I never heard from the broker.

It was all handled on the shipper's end.


Yes but your authorization for additional charges was not needed since there
were no additional charges, I gather.


Yes, I believe I've said that.


He should have heard from his broker for prior approval since there would be
looking for him to pay.





As I said, that would be the only source of any recourse.

However, it can be argued, and will be by the shipper and his
carrier, that one entering into an international transaction may be
expected to be, and presumed to be, informed of the process and
procedure, and any procedural fees involved in shipping across the
border. Ignorance being no excuse. Especially in foreign courts.

Since the broker's participation is arranged by the shipper and
his carrier. The broker is contracted to them. Not the recipient. He
has no obligation to the recipient. And as these are established
procedures with attendant fees also established, the broker has no
expectation that the fees will not be paid, again, reasonably
presuming an informed international buyer.

In this case, what is courteous and what is, are two different
things, especially in light of cultural differences between nations
of buyer and seller.

To reiterate my original point, once established procedural fees
are assessed, his chances of recovery after the fact are slim.
Especially, since they are codified in regulation, if not, law.

That's not to say recovery is not possible. It's just highly
improbable. And depends entirely on the generosity of parties involved.

Peter Maus wrote:

Let's cut to the chase here. Why would you want to do business with CanaDuh?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

-=jd=- wrote:

snip
Haven't you heard what Bill Cosby has been railing against (and rightly
so) here of late?

No, I haven't. Don't watch much TV. What's this about?