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john sumner March 2nd 05 06:51 PM


dxAce wrote in message
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I never followed the guy or his group. They had a secret base at the South

Pole?
What fun!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Dx between ernest and american dissidiont voices there were a real hoot to
listen too if you had nothing to do on a sat niteG



[email protected] March 2nd 05 08:42 PM

Or,Mel's Hole in Oregon? I don't keep up with news about those nut
cases. (does it show?) What I have learned of that Zundel guy is what I
have learned right here in this News Group.
cuhulin


[email protected] March 2nd 05 08:48 PM

Yeah,anytime I want a good laugh,just for Hoots I will tune in
www.coasttocoastam.com nut case show till I fall asleep about an hour
or so later.
cuhulin.


uncle arnie March 2nd 05 10:29 PM

wrote:

the jewish groups who persecuted this guy as a danger to "western
freedoms" are the same ones with deep associations to israel, a country
who has made a habit out of counterfeiting Canadian passports for
terroristic murders world-wide. The threat to Canada is obvious and it
isnt Ernst Zundel


This OT post is about Zundel. Not about the policies or conduct of Israel.
Good riddance and may the Germans keep him locked up.

[email protected] March 2nd 05 11:44 PM

This OT post is about Zundel. =A0Not about the policies or conduct of
Israel.

Zundel and the policies of zionists is ALL this is about. Live with it
fool. You have no choice.


Jim Douglas March 3rd 05 11:34 AM

So a guy who create words is arrested? Who gives a **** what the words are!
He has the right to do whatever even if it's distasteful and stupid! Well at
least in America, I think!


"nerst7000" wrote in message
roups.com...

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the
politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen
to deny the holocaust!


...it ain't nice either if the communiques Zundel used were specifically
designed and coded to do an end-run around plain speech
understanding, but yet intended to incite violence and a hatred of Jews
in general.

Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they
wrote in the U.S?


Yes. (The rub however was that they also were German Citizens
who were producing pamphlets, fliers and books from within the
USA, specifically at the HQ of a well known hate group, in the
German language for covert shipment into Germany. When these
shi+heads went back into Germany the authorities were waiting
with open arms and handcuffs......)

Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face
the charge of denying the holocaust!


In case you were not aware of it, Ernst Zundel
is a GERMAN CITIZEN. He is not a Canadian
Citizen. He fled to Canada on a visa about a week
before he was to be picked up by the German
Authorities on Political Incitement charges.

Germany has been trying to get him extradited for
Years, and it finally came thru today. That's all.

(I also assume you didn't hear on this evening's news also
that a Federal Judge in IL had her husband and elderly mother
*killed in her home* because she ruled against the leader
of another related Domestic hate group, the World Church of The Creator.
So you see, people like Zundel are SCUM who need to be
locked away in a 12 by 15 where their ideas cannot further
incite these two or more goons who killed members of
this Federal Judge's family as a reprisal.)

Nice people that Zundel and his racist goose-stepping ilk are eh...?

(I wonder if all the domestic broadcasting shortwave
radio kooks will be moaning over Zundel over the
comming days ?)




uncle arnie March 4th 05 01:43 AM

-=jd=- wrote:

On Wed 02 Mar 2005 11:05:34a, Mike wrote in message
news:abc- :

In article ,
wrote:

People can deny the Holocaust happened all they want to.The fact is,it
did happen.That is no reason to lock people up and or deport them just
because they deny the Holocaust happened.
cuhulin


This guy goes beyond denial. He's a neo-Nazi White Supremacist
preaching hate. He's one of the "It never happened - it was all a
jewish conspiracy" nut cases. He needs to be behind bars - hopefully
for the rest of his life.

Mike



He needs to be behind bars for "Preaching Hate"? I can think of a few
others that do that *_for_a_living_*, yet we don't imprison them. How come
this guy is so special?

I took a look at a few of the articles on his web-site - The first thing I
noticed right off was that he doesn't deny the holocaust or that the
jewish people were brutally persecuted. It seems to me that he has a
problem accounting for the quoted 6-million figure. Apparently, he has
reason to believe that figure doesn't hold-up to "scientific" scrutiny.

Whatever - whether it was 6 million or only 1 million, it's still a bunch
of folks and I'd think it would qualify as a "holocaust" regardless.

In any event, I don't see how he's any different from the Louis Farrakhans
in the world, or the Michael Moores, or the Spike Lees, or the Al
Sharptons, or the anti-abortion activists, or the PETA activists, or the
Klan, or the Neo-Nazi's, etc. etc. etc...

What's the refrain that's immediately thrust out when free-speech is
encroached upon? If you don't like it -- don't read it/listen to it/tune
it in...


Free speech has limits. You cannot incite murder (like occurred before the
Rwanda genocide on radio), nor can you deny factual history as a step
removed from inciting violence on an ethnic group, but has as its aim
violence against the group. Zundel's website is not what sinks him and got
him deported and then charged in Germany, it is his continuing advocacy of
falsity which has as its aim further violence against Jews. His website
obviously does not document all that he has been up to. I have seen news
reports from the mid-80's to mid-90's with him saying things like ' the
Jews want our pity so they can dominate the world and receive special
treatment, we need to take them down a peg and show them who is boss '. If
you read what anti-semites said in 1930's Europe, you will understand what
the fuss is about. It is an insult to the memory of 5 of the 6 million dead
to say it doesn't matter that they died also. Period.

Dr. Artaud March 4th 05 05:06 AM

Al Patrick wrote in
:

Hi Al and others. I can basically see by the responses to your post
which of the posters are Jewish and which aren't. Why don't we all just
check in, either by current religious affiliation or by the affiliation
that we most associated with as we grew up.

I'm Catholic.

How about the rest of you? It will help us all to see the logic behind
your responses.

Regardless of how many Jews died in the Holocaust, forcing people not of
Jewish heritage to constantly be reminded of how many Jews died does a
major disservice to the victims of other Holocausts before and since.

Examine the word Holocaust: For your edification, it is not a Jewish
term nor a term meant to apply exclusively to the debacle of WWII.

Main Entry: ho·lo·caust
Pronunciation: 'hO-l&-"kost, 'hä- also -"käst or 'ho-l&-kost
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French holocauste, from Late Latin
holocaustum, from Greek holokauston, from neuter of holokaustos burnt
whole, from hol- + kaustos burnt, from kaiein to burn -- more at CAUSTIC
1 : a sacrifice consumed by fire
2 : a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially
through fire a nuclear holocaust 3 a often capitalized : the mass
slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during
World War II -- usually used with the b : a mass slaughter of people;
especially :


Continuing, visit
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquer...30.108&sel=TOC
_5005& (or http://tinyurl.com/4lbwf )

It is estimated that one and a half million Armenians were killed.
(ARE MEAN KNEE INS, not A MARE A CANS)

From 1932 through 1933, this man-made famine lead to the death of 5
million of the politically resistant Ukranian people.

…………………..over six million Jews were murdered.

Khmer Rouge forced civilians into labor camps working for minimum
rations. In all, over two million civilians were killed.

As a result, approximately two million non-Muslim people have been
killed by the Islamic Front.

And it goes on and on and on and on, even in modern times.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocidetable.htm

There are ample resources to research this topic online. It is truly
tragic that any nation in the world would adopt Holocaust Denial laws.
We have very little freedoms left, and those salivating in this thread
to see anyone prosecuted for his/her justified/convoluted views on the
tragedy affecting others are truly pathetic.

'In Germany,
they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a
Trade Unionists.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and no one was left to speak up.'

(attributed to Pastor Martin Niemoeller, Dachau, Germany, 1941)

Perhaps now it should read,

In America,
they first came for the Jews,
and I had to speak up since I feared prosecution,
then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish,
Then they came for the Protestants,
and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish,
Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish,
etc, (fill in your own lines)

Of course, those of you that are Jewish will likely react vehemently,
just as so many Jewish people did concerning "The Passion of the
Christ", you remember, the movie that was going to destroy Mel Gibson,
but that did quite the opposite. I remember the spokespeople from
various Jewish groups airing their view on how awful the movie was,
though they never saw it. Even when it became evident that they (the
spokespeople and the Jewish public at large) were carrying things to a
ridiculous extreme they nevertheless continued with their tirades.

G-d bless Israel and the Jewish people, (I believe that he already has),
and may G-d bring us understanding in our interrelations with them.

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Menorahs and more, I am serious, I like this site, but have not
purchased from there as of yet.

http://www.anymenorah.com

Dr. Artaud




You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the
politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech
happen to deny the holocaust!

Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book
they wrote in the U.S?

Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could
face the charge of denying the holocaust!


Al Patrick March 4th 05 08:23 AM

Some interesting links you provided - as well as the comments.

========


Dr. Artaud wrote:

big snip


http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/


snip

BDK March 4th 05 03:11 PM

In article ,
says...
Al Patrick wrote in
:

Hi Al and others. I can basically see by the responses to your post
which of the posters are Jewish and which aren't. Why don't we all just
check in, either by current religious affiliation or by the affiliation
that we most associated with as we grew up.

I'm Catholic.

How about the rest of you? It will help us all to see the logic behind
your responses.



Ok, I'm French, Irish, and supposedly, Native American.

Not Jewish

BDK


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