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travel to Europe - any advice
Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with
recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. |
If you want a good, cheap portable, get the Kaito KA1101 or a DE1101. I
reccomend GPRS radios instead of FRS, the range is better and there's less dropout because it's digital instead of FM. |
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http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib...12_18_2003.pdf I'm not American and not travelling to or from there, but the list probably applies anywhere. It isn't so much the travel as I wonder about the countries in Europe and particularly if FRS is okay there. |
atomicthumbs wrote:
If you want a good, cheap portable, get the Kaito KA1101 or a DE1101. I reccomend GPRS radios instead of FRS, the range is better and there's less dropout because it's digital instead of FM. But I already have FRS and aren't wanting to buy another set of radios. |
uncle arnie wrote in
: If you wish to spend time in Jail, take your FRS radios to Europe, otherwise, leave them alone and do some research to find the Eurpoean equivalent (which you probably won't be able to use here, if here is America). PMR-446 radios: http://www.two-way-radio.org.uk/frs-and-pmr446-walkie- talkie-radios.htm When in Europe, don't even mention that you know any Americans. Dr. Artaud "U.S. FRS radios cannot under any circumstances be used in Africa, Europe, Asia, Mexico, Australia, Canada, or anywhere else. Why? Because the frequencies the United States FRS uses have no equivalent service on the same radio frequencies in other countries. The license free radio services in other countries do not use our FRS frequencies." http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsed092999.html Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. |
How much are Kaito radios,about forty or fifty dollars? That would
probally be a good radio to take to Europe or wherever with you.Chances are that if you have something nice and expensive in your luggage at the airport(s) the item or items might get stolen by some crooked baggage handlers.If you take a nice expensive radio with you it probally would be best to hang on to it with your hands at all times.Don't let it out of your sight no more than you would with a wris****ch or jewelry that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. cuhulin |
* Dr. Artaud * wrote:
uncle arnie wrote in : If you wish to spend time in Jail, take your FRS radios to Europe, otherwise, leave them alone and do some research to find the Eurpoean equivalent (which you probably won't be able to use here, if here is America). PMR-446 radios: http://www.two-way-radio.org.uk/frs-and-pmr446-walkie- talkie-radios.htm When in Europe, don't even mention that you know any Americans. Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe than to buy them online from a European dealer. Dr. Artaud "U.S. FRS radios cannot under any circumstances be used in Africa, Europe, Asia, Mexico, Australia, Canada, or anywhere else. Why? Because the frequencies the United States FRS uses have no equivalent service on the same radio frequencies in other countries. The license free radio services in other countries do not use our FRS frequencies." http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsed092999.html Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
uncle arnie wrote:
Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. The cheapest SW radios you can find are on ebay. If you have $50 invested in a radio, you won't worry about security helping themselves to it. Try buying a Tecsun radio, Degens can't be sold to Canadian customers online because of import restrictions on the part of the Canadian government. Keep batteries in the radio, keep it in carry on luggage (many of the Tecsuns are small enough to put in your carry on bag) and be ready to turn it on and demonstrate that it works to get past security. Artaud says that FRS radios are illegal in Europe, I would definitely check into that before going. You may wish to buy European compatible two ways online or if you can't do that buy them when you get to the Continent. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
uncle arnie wrote:
Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. When I travlel to Europe, I take my Sony ICF-SW55 and but also the Sony AN-LP1 active antenna. That antenna make a world of difference in a hotel room. The radio performs much better with the AN-LP1 than on it's own whip. -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html |
running dogg wrote in :
Somehow, many of you people fail to understand anything that a poster is offering, and some, as myself, are guilty of sometimes reading more into a post than the poster intended. 1. I wouldn't imagine that Americans are thought well of in most areas of the world right now. My comments about not mentioning that he even knows an American were meant facetiously. Nevertheless, my comments had nothing to do with "knowing anyone in the Newsgroup". 2. The link was not provided as an endorsement, merely the result of a simple search to show the radio with a slight discussion about radios suitable for use in Europe, and most importantly, a warning about not using American FRS radios in Europe. Has Arnie suffered a stroke since his original post, leaving him unable to respond first person? If so, wish him well for me. Regards. Dr. Artaud Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe than to buy them online from a European dealer. |
Stay there! You'll be among friends and birds of a feather.
"uncle arnie" wrote in message ... Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. |
* Dr. Artaud * wrote:
running dogg wrote in : Somehow, many of you people fail to understand anything that a poster is offering, and some, as myself, are guilty of sometimes reading more into a post than the poster intended. 1. I wouldn't imagine that Americans are thought well of in most areas of the world right now. My comments about not mentioning that he even knows an American were meant facetiously. Nevertheless, my comments had nothing to do with "knowing anyone in the Newsgroup". 2. The link was not provided as an endorsement, merely the result of a simple search to show the radio with a slight discussion about radios suitable for use in Europe, and most importantly, a warning about not using American FRS radios in Europe. Has Arnie suffered a stroke since his original post, leaving him unable to respond first person? If so, wish him well for me. Sorry, my boredom (it's Friday night here in California, which means nothing on shortwave, which means me surfing the net aimlessly) got the best of me. I was just offering random thoughts. Too random (and too much) for you, apparently, and for that I apologize. Regards. Dr. Artaud Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe than to buy them online from a European dealer. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
running dogg wrote in :
Here I sit, same situation. My random thoughts are usually used to drive co-workers crazy, and I begin slipping later in the evening. Also, we seem to be plagued with endless winter here, something that is taking its toll on many people. Much Regards. Dr. Artaud Sorry, my boredom (it's Friday night here in California, which means nothing on shortwave, which means me surfing the net aimlessly) got the best of me. I was just offering random thoughts. Too random (and too much) for you, apparently, and for that I apologize. |
uncle arnie wrote:
Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. I have no advice on the FRS radios. Check with the regs for each country. It will take you until early summer to sort them out. Take any radio except a Sony unless it is in your carry-on. The ATS 606 should be funky enough to deter its theft. Anything wearing the Sony label is a prime target for the black market. The French don't hate Americans, just George Bush. Have fun. Tom |
* Dr. Artaud * wrote:
running dogg wrote in : Here I sit, same situation. My random thoughts are usually used to drive co-workers crazy, and I begin slipping later in the evening. Also, we seem to be plagued with endless winter here, something that is taking its toll on many people. It was 85 degrees F in Sacramento today. Previous record was 81. Usually when we get balmy conditions here, you guys back there get pounded with snow/ice/etc. But don't worry, it's suppoed to be 68 and cloudy by Monday here, which means that you guys might get a break. Much Regards. Dr. Artaud Sorry, my boredom (it's Friday night here in California, which means nothing on shortwave, which means me surfing the net aimlessly) got the best of me. I was just offering random thoughts. Too random (and too much) for you, apparently, and for that I apologize. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
KD6EVM wrote:
uncle arnie wrote: Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks. I have no advice on the FRS radios. Check with the regs for each country. It will take you until early summer to sort them out. Take any radio except a Sony unless it is in your carry-on. The ATS 606 should be funky enough to deter its theft. Anything wearing the Sony label is a prime target for the black market. The French don't hate Americans, just George Bush. Have fun. Tom I will have fun. I'm Canadian so no worries in that dept. Not leaving until late June, so planning early. I am looking forward to dial scanning after long days of museums and cognac and beer etc. |
running dogg wrote:
* Dr. Artaud * wrote: uncle arnie wrote in : If you wish to spend time in Jail, take your FRS radios to Europe, otherwise, leave them alone and do some research to find the Eurpoean equivalent (which you probably won't be able to use here, if here is America). PMR-446 radios: http://www.two-way-radio.org.uk/frs-and-pmr446-walkie- talkie-radios.htm When in Europe, don't even mention that you know any Americans. Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe than to buy them online from a European dealer. I have confessed to having American, Mexican, Cuban, Kurdish, Iranian, South African, Australian friends. I also have relatives in the US, Mexico, China, Brazil. Y'know, it doesn't really matter to most people where you're from, as long as you're polite and not arrogant. I'll have a look at the PMR radios. |
* Dr. Artaud * wrote:
running dogg wrote in : Somehow, many of you people fail to understand anything that a poster is offering, and some, as myself, are guilty of sometimes reading more into a post than the poster intended. 1. I wouldn't imagine that Americans are thought well of in most areas of the world right now. My comments about not mentioning that he even knows an American were meant facetiously. Nevertheless, my comments had nothing to do with "knowing anyone in the Newsgroup". 2. The link was not provided as an endorsement, merely the result of a simple search to show the radio with a slight discussion about radios suitable for use in Europe, and most importantly, a warning about not using American FRS radios in Europe. Has Arnie suffered a stroke since his original post, leaving him unable to respond first person? If so, wish him well for me. No stroke here. Just a busy rest of the day. Lots of snow today here in the Great White North. As far as I can tell Cdn FRS radios are the same as US models. I did not take them when I went to Mexico a while back. Can't say I have my finger on the pulse of world opinion on Americans. I do know that the current administration is thought of as suspect, but I have the impression that's dying down with some time passing. Regards. Dr. Artaud Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe than to buy them online from a European dealer. |
running dogg wrote:
* Dr. Artaud * wrote: running dogg wrote in : Here I sit, same situation. My random thoughts are usually used to drive co-workers crazy, and I begin slipping later in the evening. Also, we seem to be plagued with endless winter here, something that is taking its toll on many people. It was 85 degrees F in Sacramento today. Previous record was 81. Usually when we get balmy conditions here, you guys back there get pounded with snow/ice/etc. But don't worry, it's suppoed to be 68 and cloudy by Monday here, which means that you guys might get a break. -14 C here (a few degrees above 0 F), and snow. |
running dogg wrote:
wrote: How much are Kaito radios,about forty or fifty dollars? That would probally be a good radio to take to Europe or wherever with you.Chances are that if you have something nice and expensive in your luggage at the airport(s) the item or items might get stolen by some crooked baggage handlers.If you take a nice expensive radio with you it probally would be best to hang on to it with your hands at all times.Don't let it out of your sight no more than you would with a wris****ch or jewelry that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. cuhulin TSA (US airport security) checkers are poorly trained and vetted and regularly help themselves to items in passengers' bags. Since Arnie is a Canadian and he's going to Europe, he won't have to worry about the TSA, but I don't know anything about security in Europe. Some countries are probably better than others. Most Degen (Kaito) radios are $50 or so when bought from Liypn over ebay, but I read on this group that Canadian customs are confiscating all Degens sent from HK to Canada because Kaito Canada complained that they were being undercut by Liypn. Still, at Kaito's price ($100 in the US, probably a little more up north) it's a radio that you don't have to fret over being grabbed by your friendly local screener. I've heard that Sony products of all kinds are regularly grabbed by TSA screeners, but most of them probably aren't smart enough to have heard of Kaito, much less Degen. Other inexpensive Chinese radios are a good bet to survive security. Arnie might try a Tecsun bought over ebay, they don't have the same import restrictions and are just about as expensive as Degen brand radios. I have a YB-300, YB-400, ATS-606, ATS-909, and an Icom R-75. I'm not going to buy a new radio to take. I usually travel with the 606, good size, good reception. The most disposable of these is the YB300, which so far has survived. I don't think the CCRA (Cdn Customs and Revenue Agency) can confiscate a legally imported product. They haven't the authority. They could charge ridiculous duties however. I've appealed against them before and won. |
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:17 -0800, running dogg wrote:
Artaud says that FRS radios are illegal in Europe, Definitely. You won't go to jail as someone else suggested but you could get the radios confiscated. I would definitely check into that before going. You may wish to buy European compatible two ways online or if you can't do that buy them when you get to the Continent. Buy them when you get over here (I'm in the UK btw). They run on 446MHz and cost (US)$37 a pair up, more if you want drop-in chargers, and are available everywhere. -- Cheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! |
In article , uncle arnie wrote:
wrote: http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib...12_18_2003.pdf I'm not American and not travelling to or from there, but the list probably applies anywhere. It isn't so much the travel as I wonder about the countries in Europe and particularly if FRS is okay there. No. FRS radios are NOT allowed in Europe, etc. There is a equivalent 446 service here. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: 972-2-679-6896 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 VoIP (Email to schedule) Free World Dialup: 523178 Skype: gsmendelson |
Instead of FRS just buy a couple of cell phones over there. Or set up
pre-arranged meeting places, or just travel together. |
uncle arnie schrieb: atomicthumbs wrote: If you want a good, cheap portable, get the Kaito KA1101 or a DE1101. I reccomend GPRS radios instead of FRS, the range is better and there's less dropout because it's digital instead of FM. But I already have FRS and aren't wanting to buy another set of radios. Then do yourself a favour and *don't(!)* take the FRS-radios with you. The FRS-freqs are in use by other services in europe and you will risk to get in big trouble using the FRS-radios in europe. At least the radios will be confiscated if you get cought and you will have a look from inside a police-station for some hours and maybe have to pay a additional fine.... PMR-radios have a TX-output of 500mW providing a range of about 500- 1000mtrs (1500-3000ft) in urban areas and up to 5 km (3 mls) or even more from exponated locations. These PMR-radios are cheap. Cost about 25 -50 EUROs a pair. They mostly run on 3 or 4 AAA-cells or rechargable Batteries. |
Volker Tonn wrote:
uncle arnie schrieb: atomicthumbs wrote: If you want a good, cheap portable, get the Kaito KA1101 or a DE1101. I reccomend GPRS radios instead of FRS, the range is better and there's less dropout because it's digital instead of FM. But I already have FRS and aren't wanting to buy another set of radios. Then do yourself a favour and *don't(!)* take the FRS-radios with you. The FRS-freqs are in use by other services in europe and you will risk to get in big trouble using the FRS-radios in europe. At least the radios will be confiscated if you get cought and you will have a look from inside a police-station for some hours and maybe have to pay a additional fine.... PMR-radios have a TX-output of 500mW providing a range of about 500- 1000mtrs (1500-3000ft) in urban areas and up to 5 km (3 mls) or even more from exponated locations. These PMR-radios are cheap. Cost about 25 -50 EUROs a pair. They mostly run on 3 or 4 AAA-cells or rechargable Batteries. Yes, I have the info now, we have diff frqs in N Amer. I did talk to a guy who used them between two cars driving through Norway, and I'm guessing they didn't interfere with anyone so no trouble. We'll check into PMR when we get there. Cell phone looks prohibitively expensive to take the local cell phone over (it will work over there). I can roam through Canada and most of the USA as if local with no additional charges but not over there. This will allow me to avoid women's clothing stores etc. |
uncle arnie schrieb: [FRS / PMR] Yes, I have the info now, we have diff frqs in N Amer. I did talk to a guy who used them between two cars driving through Norway, and I'm guessing they didn't interfere with anyone so no trouble. Noi risk - No fun ;-) We'll check into PMR when we get there. Good idea, especially when you want to use them other than to talk between 2 cars whilst driving. Cell phone looks prohibitively expensive to take the local cell phone over (it will work over there). I can roam through Canada and most of the USA as if local with no additional charges but not over there. Using a lokal prepaid card might do the trick. And in case of emergancy you can call for help. Also phoneing on prepaid cards isn't really cheap. Using the same provider it is about 30 (EURO-)Cent per minute with 60/1. First minute is allways charged fully.... :-( This will allow me to avoid women's clothing stores etc. This will justify any amount of charge :-))) |
Stan Barr schrieb:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:17 -0800, running dogg wrote: Artaud says that FRS radios are illegal in Europe, Definitely. You won't go to jail as someone else suggested but you could get the radios confiscated. Maybe you got something wrong? You probably will be taken to a police station and questioned there with the help of a translator. This will cost you some hours and some EUROs in worst case. |
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