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drake r8 vs icom r-75
any opinions about which to buy for dx...
a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA |
2004 R-75. . . You can get the Kiwa Fidelity Mods as an extra.. Don't know how " RF Quiet" your environs are ; or what kind of antenna(s) your using.. |
jimg wrote: any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. I'd take a nice Drake R8 over the R-75 any old day... dxAce Michigan USA "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers". © http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
"jimg" wrote any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA jimg, if your hobby interests will not involve computer-control, and most seem to today, then the Drake R8 is a nearly unmatched machine. But since the best software control ever made for the Drakes (Mark Fine's/Fineware Smart-R8) is no longer sold or supported, that leaves the Drakes at a slight disadvantage. Icoms can be controlled by almost all radio software programs. Best regards, Jack Painter Virginia beach, Virginia |
Get the R75 for DX'ing *only*. Otherwise the R8 for both DX and program
listening. jimg wrote: any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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wrote: Get the R75 for DX'ing *only*. Otherwise the R8 for both DX and program listening. jimg wrote: any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Do yourself a favor and get the R8B for any kind of listening you want to do and forget the R75 unless you want to play with the radios innards to get the performance you want. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Jack Painter wrote:
. Icoms can be controlled by almost all radio software programs. So can Drakes. -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html |
jimg wrote:
any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Get the drake if you can afford it. The Icom can be quite cheap and will outperform portables in general though not many in the table top category. |
"jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Get the R-75 with DSP. The old Drake's encoders go bad after a while. I have read about several people having to send them in to Drake for new ones. Now, while the R8 does have a optical encoder as opposed to the later models mechcanical, those go bad too. If you're into SSB and DXing, get the R-75. If you program listen mostly, get the Drake. But I have no problem doing BCB on the R-75. Remember, the R-75 has Twin PBT and filters you mix and match plus DSP and it's newer. Can't be beat for the money. Good luck. Lucky |
I am not sure how much Drake wants for their optical encoders, but you can
use either an Oak-Grisby or a Grayhill optical encoder. These are Quadrature encoders that have four pins.............these are Channel A, Channel B, V+, and ground. Universal hookup.................about 30 dollars USD. I have gotten to play with the R8 and it is a nice receiver. The R75 is also a winner, but it gets better after you do those mods. The only mod that I have done to my R75 was to remove that MW attenuator. After that, it's a great MW receiver. Now, if they would only do something about that "large front mounted speaker". Another thing about the R75..........it would be good to regulate that wall wart down to 15 volts, using a 7815 positive regulator. Dave Zantos (N9EWO) just informed me tonight that there have been internal regulator failures with the R75. I haven't used mine enough to notice how hot the receiver actually does run. Pete "Lucky" wrote in message ... "jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Get the R-75 with DSP. The old Drake's encoders go bad after a while. I have read about several people having to send them in to Drake for new ones. Now, while the R8 does have a optical encoder as opposed to the later models mechcanical, those go bad too. If you're into SSB and DXing, get the R-75. If you program listen mostly, get the Drake. But I have no problem doing BCB on the R-75. Remember, the R-75 has Twin PBT and filters you mix and match plus DSP and it's newer. Can't be beat for the money. Good luck. Lucky |
"jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. If you want to do serious DX'ing, I'd recommend the R-75. I also recommend the R-75 for any kind of utility or ham listening. The R-75 is not a bad receiver for program listening, but it is not ideal. The stock unmodified am sync is not effective. The disadvantage being the receiver doesn't give you the capability to minimize distortion due to signal fade. A simple and inexpensive and reversible mod can be done on the receiver to greatly improve that problem. The R8 has a sync detector that works well, but it does not do as much as the improved ssb selectable am sync on the R8b. The over all audio quality of an unmodified R-75 is not as good as the R8. The R8 series is well known for having great audio. Again, you can do a simple mod on the R-75 to spruce up the audio quality. I've used both the R8 and the R-75. I've found that the R-75s performance using ecss in ssb mode in combination with the Icom twin PBT made it the better receiver for dealing with very weak and messy signals. Using the same antenna set up, I also found the R-75 to be the more sensative radio in practic, regardless of how close the written performance specs are on both the the radiosradios. I'd choose the R-75 over the R8 any day for DX'ing or utility. I have a modified R-75 with both the Kiwa sync mod and the audio mod. I use it with an external speaker too. With those mods and en external speaker, I can honestly say that it is right up there now with the R8 for program listening. In short with just two simple mods and an external speaker the R-75, can do what the R8 can do, but the R8 cant do what the R-75 can do in the way of ssb DX'ing and utility. Michael |
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"Michael" wrote: "jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. Snip No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please. You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves. I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave the hobby. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Michael" wrote: "jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. Snip No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please. You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves. I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave the hobby. -- Telamon Ventura, California You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to use the an R8. Where are you coming from ??? Michael |
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"Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message gy.com.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message odigy.co m.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .prodigy .co m.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. Snip No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please. You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves. I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave the hobby. -- Telamon Ventura, California You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to use the an R8. Where are you coming from ??? Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the hobby buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and selling it. Then exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from. Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an R8 ??? If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will help you. I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ??? Look Mike, I said my piece and you are free to do the same. I'm not arguing about it on Usenet. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message gy.com.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message odigy.co m.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .prodigy .co m.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. Snip No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please. You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves. I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave the hobby. -- Telamon Ventura, California You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to use the an R8. Where are you coming from ??? Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the hobby buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and selling it. Then exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from. Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an R8 ??? If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will help you. I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ??? Look Mike, I said my piece and you are free to do the same. I'm not arguing about it on Usenet. No argument here. Only discussions. I'm still trying to figure out why an R-75 would make some one quit swl. It isn't a hard receiver to use. I use one and I am by no means a broadcast engineer. Do you envision people who haven't had their first table top receiver as idiots and illiterates ??? If you can use a volume knob and an on/off switch you can use an R-75. In short, if you've used any portable out there, you can use an R-75. Perhaps I'm missing something. Can you give reasons for your statement regarding the R-75 being a reason to quit swl ??? Michael |
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In short with just two simple mods and an external speaker the R-75, can do what the R8 can do, but the R8 cant do what the R-75 can do in the way of ssb DX'ing and utility. Michael That's just not true. The R8 series has been a favorite of DXers' for years. There's a reason for that. -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html |
"Michael" wrote in message ... "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message m.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. Snip No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please. You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves. I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave the hobby. -- Telamon Ventura, California You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to use the an R8. Where are you coming from ??? Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the hobby buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and selling it. Then exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from. Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an R8 ??? If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will help you. I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ??? Michael Mike save it. That guy is a pure moron and has the brains of a termite and the personality of a pencil. He doesn't know what he's talking and never will. Your totally wasting your time with him. Lucky |
"Michael" wrote in message ... "Brian Denley" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: In short with just two simple mods and an external speaker the R-75, can do what the R8 can do, but the R8 cant do what the R-75 can do in the way of ssb DX'ing and utility. Michael That's just not true. The R8 series has been a favorite of DXers' for years. There's a reason for that. -- Yes, it is true. Indeed the R8 is a great receiver and very popular. Regardless, the R-75 is a more capable receiver for DX'ing and utility. The primary reasons for that: The R-75 uses two filters in series and the R-75 has twin PBT. I have used both receivers. The R-75 is a better DX'ing rig. I have no stock in ICOM or need to prove it is a better receiver. I'm just stating facts. Using ECSS in ssb, the R-75 is a prime DX'ing rig. Nothing against the R8. Michael I agree. Nothing for the price can beat it for SSB and Dxing. It's just that some people are so thick they can't operate it. Not that it's hard, they are just plain idiots. Lucky |
Lucky wrote: "Michael" wrote in message ... "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message .. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message m.. . In article , "Michael" wrote: "jimg" wrote in message ... any opinions about which to buy for dx... a 1992 drake r8 or a 2004 icom r-75 w dsp but without kiwa mods. thnx jimg Oregon USA Depends on what kind of listening you want to do. Snip No it depends on whether you know what you are doing. I'm fed up with people advising people new to the hobby that this is the radio to get. This is the wrong radio for them to get unless they have the aptitude for it. Unless you want to kill the hobby stop recommending this radio to newbies please. You can make exceptions for people that are technicians or engineers that have an understanding of what the radio can do or be modified to do or are inclined to modify it themselves. I keep seeing people new to hobby sell the R75 they picked up and leave the hobby. -- Telamon Ventura, California You dont need a PhD to operate an R-75. It is no more complicated to use the an R8. Where are you coming from ??? Where am I coming from? I coming from seeing someone new to the hobby buy a R75 then decide the hobby is not for them and selling it. Then exit the hobby. That's were I'm coming from. Why would they leave the hobby over an R-75 and not leave over an R8 ??? If you can't figure that out me amount of explanation from me will help you. I see... Running for the cover of a little misdirection, huh ??? Michael Mike save it. That guy is a pure moron and has the brains of a termite and the personality of a pencil. He doesn't know what he's talking and never will. Your totally wasting your time with him. I get the feeling that you are pure neophyte compared to Telemon... Keep tuning though, you'll get the hang of it. dxAce Michigan USA Lucky |
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I'm curious: How good the R-75's sync is after the Kiwa mod? Is it comparable to the sync on an R8B or one of the Lowe receivers? The Kiwa sync' mod' makes the R75 sync' comparable to that on the original R8 but not the R8B. The latter is how a really good sync' detector should work. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"jimg" wrote in message ... anyway....thanks to you all.... i bought a new icom r-75 on ebay for a great price and already ordered all the kiwa mods. craig also gave me a deal here as well. when i told my wife i wanted to bid on the r8 too, well, you know....so i got the whole thing for $500usd. in the end i wanted the adaptive dsp on-board. i know the r-75 IF fltr(s) and adj chnl performance are not as good as the r8 and the r-75 sync det sucks without the kiwa pll loop filter mod. the sensitivity specs are damn close and only slightly better than my r-1000 which i have decided to keep. it sounds like dxace and others have owned both, and i probably screwed up big time...someday, i hope to get an r8b and compare station by station....but i'm sure they're right... what is wild is that there are so many subjective and definitive comments when performance parameters like selectivity/sensitivity/bandwidth/attack times/etc...are matters of documented performance. you'd think there would be some clear criteria based on the specs as the receviers have become more sophisticated....not so.... thnx again...for those dedicated to the r8, chalk it up to stupidity on my part and you already know i'm gonna regret it...for those who favor the r-75, chalk it up to slick marketing...after the kiwa mods, i've read nothing but glowing comments. jimg Oregon USA You're going to love it once you get used to using it and it's features. I guarantee you'll haven't heard SSB and Hams this good till you've tried the R-75. And the ECSS is just superb. Hook a good antenna to it and you're going to be up late nights :) Check out Phil's CookBook in the Yahoo newsgroup files section. Great place to start besides the manual. Have fun Lucky |
: I'm curious: How good the R-75's sync is after
the Kiwa mod? Is it comparable to the sync on an R8B or one of the Lowe receivers? mike0219116: I used to have a Kiwa modded R75 and I currently have a R8B. The modded R75's synch cannot hold a candle to the R8B's synch. It's superb. |
mike maghakian wrote: I think I have some special knobs for you Yikes... beware of 'special knobs'. dxAce Michigan USA |
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