YOU decide if YOU want to support Winn Dixie! :-)

I rest my case.

Al

=============

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution
June 25, 1994
Mother slaps unruly son, is charged with a felony
Husband: 'She was simply disciplining a child'
By Bill Torpy

Nine-year-old Chuck Kivi was incorrigible while shopping with his mother
at the Woodstock Winn-Dixie last month.

"He was running around and being nasty to his sister [Sarah, 12]; he
kept picking and picking, saying hurtful things," Lynn Kivi said. "I
told him, 'You don't speak to anybody that way.' He shot back, 'I'm not
talking to you.' "

Kivi slapped Chuck's cheek. As they left the store and got in their car,
a police officer approached. "He said an employee in the Winn-Dixie
called and said I slapped my kid," she said. "I said, 'Yeah, I did. He
was being rotten.'

"Another cop pulls up and tells me it's against the law in Georgia to
slap your child,'' said Kivi, who moved here in 1992 from Illinois when
her husband, Dale, was transferred.

Kivi was arrested, had mugshots taken, and was handcuffed and taken to
the Cherokee County jail. She was charged with cruelty to children (a
felony with a one-to 20-year sentence) and later released on $ 22,050
bond. Her husband, a marketing manager, cashed in his 401k retirement
account to pay the bond and hire a lawyer.

"I'm disgusted with Winn-Dixie and with the police," Dale Kivi said.
"They had no right to get involved. She was simply disciplining a child
in need of discipline."

Woodstock police Chief Jimmy Mercer said he is surprised Kivi was
charged with a felony. He said police are under great pressure in family
abuse cases and that the difference between abuse and discipline "is a
real fine line. Technically, you could do it [spank a child] on the
bottom and get arrested.

"It could have just as easily been misdemeanor assault," he said. "The
judge [Magistrate Kenneth Richards] saw enough cause to sign a warrant.
If she's indicted, I'd be surprised."

Assistant District Attorney Dee Morris said he hasn't made a decision on
the case.

The store manager said he thought customers called 911, but the police
report said employees did.

The criminal warrant taken out by police says Kivi caused her son
"excessive physical or mental pain" and that "this is a recurring event."

How did police know that? Chuck told them. "I get smacked when I am
bad," he said, according to the arrest report. Chuck says he told police
his mother "slapped" him in the store.

In 1990, proposed changes in child abuse laws brought an outcry from
many legislators who said parents would be reported as abusers for
spanking their children. The amended definition allows "reasonable forms
of discipline . . . so long as any injury to the child is not more than
minimal."

Kivi pointed out that Cherokee County schools - and many other school
districts - use corporal punishment.

Mercer reasons that the officers and the magistrate pursued felony
charges because the incident occurred in public and because Chuck was
slapped in the face. He said police saw red marks.

"It aroused people enough that something bad happened, so they called,"
said Mercer, who said he has slapped his children, "but never in the face."

The magistrate could not be reached.

"This is persecuting parents for disciplining children," said John Earl,
Kivi's lawyer. "One slap is not cruelty. Repeated slaps could be.''

Somebody needs to slap the **** outta AL

LOL!
wrote in message
ups.com...
Not again......
Why don't you post some logs or something interesting.


Al Patrick wrote:
YOU decide if YOU want to support Winn Dixie! :-)

I rest my case.

Al

=============

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution
June 25, 1994
Mother slaps unruly son, is charged with a felony
Husband: 'She was simply disciplining a child'
By Bill Torpy

Nine-year-old Chuck Kivi was incorrigible while shopping with his
mother
at the Woodstock Winn-Dixie last month.

"He was running around and being nasty to his sister [Sarah, 12]; he
kept picking and picking, saying hurtful things," Lynn Kivi said. "I
told him, 'You don't speak to anybody that way.' He shot back, 'I'm
not
talking to you.' "

Kivi slapped Chuck's cheek. As they left the store and got in their
car,
a police officer approached. "He said an employee in the Winn-Dixie
called and said I slapped my kid," she said. "I said, 'Yeah, I did.
He
was being rotten.'

"Another cop pulls up and tells me it's against the law in Georgia to

slap your child,'' said Kivi, who moved here in 1992 from Illinois
when
her husband, Dale, was transferred.

Kivi was arrested, had mugshots taken, and was handcuffed and taken
to
the Cherokee County jail. She was charged with cruelty to children (a

felony with a one-to 20-year sentence) and later released on $ 22,050

bond. Her husband, a marketing manager, cashed in his 401k retirement

account to pay the bond and hire a lawyer.

"I'm disgusted with Winn-Dixie and with the police," Dale Kivi said.
"They had no right to get involved. She was simply disciplining a
child
in need of discipline."

Woodstock police Chief Jimmy Mercer said he is surprised Kivi was
charged with a felony. He said police are under great pressure in
family
abuse cases and that the difference between abuse and discipline "is
a
real fine line. Technically, you could do it [spank a child] on the
bottom and get arrested.

"It could have just as easily been misdemeanor assault," he said.
"The
judge [Magistrate Kenneth Richards] saw enough cause to sign a
warrant.
If she's indicted, I'd be surprised."

Assistant District Attorney Dee Morris said he hasn't made a decision
on
the case.

The store manager said he thought customers called 911, but the
police
report said employees did.

The criminal warrant taken out by police says Kivi caused her son
"excessive physical or mental pain" and that "this is a recurring
event."

How did police know that? Chuck told them. "I get smacked when I am
bad," he said, according to the arrest report. Chuck says he told
police
his mother "slapped" him in the store.

In 1990, proposed changes in child abuse laws brought an outcry from
many legislators who said parents would be reported as abusers for
spanking their children. The amended definition allows "reasonable
forms
of discipline . . . so long as any injury to the child is not more
than
minimal."

Kivi pointed out that Cherokee County schools - and many other school

districts - use corporal punishment.

Mercer reasons that the officers and the magistrate pursued felony
charges because the incident occurred in public and because Chuck was

slapped in the face. He said police saw red marks.

"It aroused people enough that something bad happened, so they
called,"
said Mercer, who said he has slapped his children, "but never in the
face."

The magistrate could not be reached.

"This is persecuting parents for disciplining children," said John
Earl,
Kivi's lawyer. "One slap is not cruelty. Repeated slaps could be.''

In article ,
says...
Somebody needs to slap the **** outta AL

LOL!
wrote in message
ups.com...
Not again......
Why don't you post some logs or something interesting.


Al Patrick wrote:
YOU decide if YOU want to support Winn Dixie! :-)

I rest my case.

Al

=============

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution
June 25, 1994
Mother slaps unruly son, is charged with a felony
Husband: 'She was simply disciplining a child'
By Bill Torpy

Nine-year-old Chuck Kivi was incorrigible while shopping with his
mother
at the Woodstock Winn-Dixie last month.

"He was running around and being nasty to his sister [Sarah, 12]; he
kept picking and picking, saying hurtful things," Lynn Kivi said. "I
told him, 'You don't speak to anybody that way.' He shot back, 'I'm
not
talking to you.' "

Kivi slapped Chuck's cheek. As they left the store and got in their
car,
a police officer approached. "He said an employee in the Winn-Dixie
called and said I slapped my kid," she said. "I said, 'Yeah, I did.
He
was being rotten.'

"Another cop pulls up and tells me it's against the law in Georgia to

slap your child,'' said Kivi, who moved here in 1992 from Illinois
when
her husband, Dale, was transferred.

Kivi was arrested, had mugshots taken, and was handcuffed and taken
to
the Cherokee County jail. She was charged with cruelty to children (a

felony with a one-to 20-year sentence) and later released on $ 22,050

bond. Her husband, a marketing manager, cashed in his 401k retirement

account to pay the bond and hire a lawyer.

"I'm disgusted with Winn-Dixie and with the police," Dale Kivi said.
"They had no right to get involved. She was simply disciplining a
child
in need of discipline."

Woodstock police Chief Jimmy Mercer said he is surprised Kivi was
charged with a felony. He said police are under great pressure in
family
abuse cases and that the difference between abuse and discipline "is
a
real fine line. Technically, you could do it [spank a child] on the
bottom and get arrested.

"It could have just as easily been misdemeanor assault," he said.
"The
judge [Magistrate Kenneth Richards] saw enough cause to sign a
warrant.
If she's indicted, I'd be surprised."

Assistant District Attorney Dee Morris said he hasn't made a decision
on
the case.

The store manager said he thought customers called 911, but the
police
report said employees did.

The criminal warrant taken out by police says Kivi caused her son
"excessive physical or mental pain" and that "this is a recurring
event."

How did police know that? Chuck told them. "I get smacked when I am
bad," he said, according to the arrest report. Chuck says he told
police
his mother "slapped" him in the store.

In 1990, proposed changes in child abuse laws brought an outcry from
many legislators who said parents would be reported as abusers for
spanking their children. The amended definition allows "reasonable
forms
of discipline . . . so long as any injury to the child is not more
than
minimal."

Kivi pointed out that Cherokee County schools - and many other school

districts - use corporal punishment.

Mercer reasons that the officers and the magistrate pursued felony
charges because the incident occurred in public and because Chuck was

slapped in the face. He said police saw red marks.

"It aroused people enough that something bad happened, so they
called,"
said Mercer, who said he has slapped his children, "but never in the
face."

The magistrate could not be reached.

"This is persecuting parents for disciplining children," said John
Earl,
Kivi's lawyer. "One slap is not cruelty. Repeated slaps could be.''





I would be willing to volunteer. I used to do it for a living!

LOL

BDK

Ernie wrote:

Somebody needs to slap the **** outta AL

LOL!

Then it would probably splatter all over your computer screen! :-)

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:12:50 -0500, Al Patrick
wrote:

YOU decide if YOU want to support Winn Dixie! :-)

I rest my case.

Al

=============

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution
June 25, 1994
Mother slaps unruly son, is charged with a felony
Husband: 'She was simply disciplining a child'
By Bill Torpy

Nine-year-old Chuck Kivi was incorrigible while shopping with his mother
at the Woodstock Winn-Dixie last month.

"He was running around and being nasty to his sister [Sarah, 12]; he
kept picking and picking, saying hurtful things," Lynn Kivi said. "I
told him, 'You don't speak to anybody that way.' He shot back, 'I'm not
talking to you.' "

Kivi slapped Chuck's cheek. As they left the store and got in their car,
a police officer approached. "He said an employee in the Winn-Dixie
called and said I slapped my kid," she said. "I said, 'Yeah, I did. He
was being rotten.'

"Another cop pulls up and tells me it's against the law in Georgia to
slap your child,'' said Kivi, who moved here in 1992 from Illinois when
her husband, Dale, was transferred.

Kivi was arrested, had mugshots taken, and was handcuffed and taken to
the Cherokee County jail. She was charged with cruelty to children (a
felony with a one-to 20-year sentence) and later released on $ 22,050
bond. Her husband, a marketing manager, cashed in his 401k retirement
account to pay the bond and hire a lawyer.

"I'm disgusted with Winn-Dixie and with the police," Dale Kivi said.
"They had no right to get involved. She was simply disciplining a child
in need of discipline."

Woodstock police Chief Jimmy Mercer said he is surprised Kivi was
charged with a felony. He said police are under great pressure in family
abuse cases and that the difference between abuse and discipline "is a
real fine line. Technically, you could do it [spank a child] on the
bottom and get arrested.

"It could have just as easily been misdemeanor assault," he said. "The
judge [Magistrate Kenneth Richards] saw enough cause to sign a warrant.
If she's indicted, I'd be surprised."

Assistant District Attorney Dee Morris said he hasn't made a decision on
the case.

The store manager said he thought customers called 911, but the police
report said employees did.

The criminal warrant taken out by police says Kivi caused her son
"excessive physical or mental pain" and that "this is a recurring event."

How did police know that? Chuck told them. "I get smacked when I am
bad," he said, according to the arrest report. Chuck says he told police
his mother "slapped" him in the store.

In 1990, proposed changes in child abuse laws brought an outcry from
many legislators who said parents would be reported as abusers for
spanking their children. The amended definition allows "reasonable forms
of discipline . . . so long as any injury to the child is not more than
minimal."

Kivi pointed out that Cherokee County schools - and many other school
districts - use corporal punishment.

Mercer reasons that the officers and the magistrate pursued felony
charges because the incident occurred in public and because Chuck was
slapped in the face. He said police saw red marks.

"It aroused people enough that something bad happened, so they called,"
said Mercer, who said he has slapped his children, "but never in the face."

The magistrate could not be reached.

"This is persecuting parents for disciplining children," said John Earl,
Kivi's lawyer. "One slap is not cruelty. Repeated slaps could be.''


Al,

Could you kindly explain to those of us who are slightly clueless,
just what the hell this has to do with shortwave?

Point is, no one beside yourself possibly, really gives a hoot about
this in this forum. Once in awhile you post loggings, which is cool,
however, I am beginning to suspect that your primary goal here is to
disrupt the group through irrelevant and/or religious postings.

Try DX'ing once in awhile! I wish I had 1/10th of the spare time you
seem to have, and could spend it on DX'ing. Religion is a private
thing and should be kept so, the unfortunate glut of shortwave
religious broadcasters notwithstanding, and unrelated topics should be
posted in the appropriate newsgroups. At least that's the
"Netiquette" I've been practicing for the last 15 years (and before
that when the Internet was ARPANET and for defense personnel only).

Good grief! Enough already.

Done venting now!

Al
In the Northern Marianas

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Tebojockey wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:12:50 -0500, Al Patrick
wrote:

YOU decide if YOU want to support Winn Dixie! :-)

I rest my case.

Al

=============

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution
June 25, 1994
Mother slaps unruly son, is charged with a felony
Husband: 'She was simply disciplining a child'
By Bill Torpy

Nine-year-old Chuck Kivi was incorrigible while shopping with his mother
at the Woodstock Winn-Dixie last month.

"He was running around and being nasty to his sister [Sarah, 12]; he
kept picking and picking, saying hurtful things," Lynn Kivi said. "I
told him, 'You don't speak to anybody that way.' He shot back, 'I'm not
talking to you.' "

Kivi slapped Chuck's cheek. As they left the store and got in their car,
a police officer approached. "He said an employee in the Winn-Dixie
called and said I slapped my kid," she said. "I said, 'Yeah, I did. He
was being rotten.'

"Another cop pulls up and tells me it's against the law in Georgia to
slap your child,'' said Kivi, who moved here in 1992 from Illinois when
her husband, Dale, was transferred.

Kivi was arrested, had mugshots taken, and was handcuffed and taken to
the Cherokee County jail. She was charged with cruelty to children (a
felony with a one-to 20-year sentence) and later released on $ 22,050
bond. Her husband, a marketing manager, cashed in his 401k retirement
account to pay the bond and hire a lawyer.

"I'm disgusted with Winn-Dixie and with the police," Dale Kivi said.
"They had no right to get involved. She was simply disciplining a child
in need of discipline."

Woodstock police Chief Jimmy Mercer said he is surprised Kivi was
charged with a felony. He said police are under great pressure in family
abuse cases and that the difference between abuse and discipline "is a
real fine line. Technically, you could do it [spank a child] on the
bottom and get arrested.

"It could have just as easily been misdemeanor assault," he said. "The
judge [Magistrate Kenneth Richards] saw enough cause to sign a warrant.
If she's indicted, I'd be surprised."

Assistant District Attorney Dee Morris said he hasn't made a decision on
the case.

The store manager said he thought customers called 911, but the police
report said employees did.

The criminal warrant taken out by police says Kivi caused her son
"excessive physical or mental pain" and that "this is a recurring event."

How did police know that? Chuck told them. "I get smacked when I am
bad," he said, according to the arrest report. Chuck says he told police
his mother "slapped" him in the store.

In 1990, proposed changes in child abuse laws brought an outcry from
many legislators who said parents would be reported as abusers for
spanking their children. The amended definition allows "reasonable forms
of discipline . . . so long as any injury to the child is not more than
minimal."

Kivi pointed out that Cherokee County schools - and many other school
districts - use corporal punishment.

Mercer reasons that the officers and the magistrate pursued felony
charges because the incident occurred in public and because Chuck was
slapped in the face. He said police saw red marks.

"It aroused people enough that something bad happened, so they called,"
said Mercer, who said he has slapped his children, "but never in the face."

The magistrate could not be reached.

"This is persecuting parents for disciplining children," said John Earl,
Kivi's lawyer. "One slap is not cruelty. Repeated slaps could be.''


Al,

Could you kindly explain to those of us who are slightly clueless,
just what the hell this has to do with shortwave?

Point is, no one beside yourself possibly, really gives a hoot about
this in this forum. Once in awhile you post loggings, which is cool,
however, I am beginning to suspect that your primary goal here is to
disrupt the group through irrelevant and/or religious postings.

Try DX'ing once in awhile! I wish I had 1/10th of the spare time you
seem to have, and could spend it on DX'ing. Religion is a private
thing and should be kept so, the unfortunate glut of shortwave
religious broadcasters notwithstanding, and unrelated topics should be
posted in the appropriate newsgroups. At least that's the
"Netiquette" I've been practicing for the last 15 years (and before
that when the Internet was ARPANET and for defense personnel only).

Good grief! Enough already.

Done venting now!

Al
In the Northern Marianas

Supermarket chains in the US only cover relatively small areas; maybe a
state or two out west and a multistate metro region back east. Winn
Dixie's outlets are all in the American Deep South (Al is in North
Carolina) therefore his postings are utterly irrelevant in the rest of
the US not to mention the world.


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"running dogg" wrote in message
...

Supermarket chains in the US only cover relatively small areas; maybe a
state or two out west and a multistate metro region back east. Winn
Dixie's outlets are all in the American Deep South (Al is in North
Carolina) therefore his postings are utterly irrelevant in the rest of
the US not to mention the world.

Agreed. I've never even seen a Winn Dixie, let alone have stepped foot
inside one. Though I have heard of that chain before. But regardless, it
has nothing to do with shortwave.

--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc

That Atlanta rag is a left wing COMMIE rag!
cuhulin