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Steve March 28th 05 11:18 PM

help needed on shortwave
 
Hiya everyone, I am on the gold coast just south of Brisbane in Queensland
Australia
Just bought my shortwave radio a Sangean ats 505 . I am surprised at how
little I can pick up?
Anyone and good ideas to help me. I am lucky if I can get 5 stations in
total

Thanks for any help you can give
I used to have an old Russian shortwave that I bought in England and was
like a tank big CLUNK CLICK selector dial got great service off it but it
died after 30 years

Im pretty new to all this though
thanks
Steve



Brian Hill March 28th 05 11:30 PM


"Steve" wrote in message
...
Hiya everyone, I am on the gold coast just south of Brisbane in Queensland
Australia
Just bought my shortwave radio a Sangean ats 505 . I am surprised at how
little I can pick up?
Anyone and good ideas to help me. I am lucky if I can get 5 stations in
total

Thanks for any help you can give
I used to have an old Russian shortwave that I bought in England and was
like a tank big CLUNK CLICK selector dial got great service off it but it
died after 30 years

Im pretty new to all this though
thanks
Steve



Tell us about your surroundings. Building your in?, city?, country? etc...
By the way is there an External/ Internal switch for the ant. on this radio?

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Sanjaya March 28th 05 11:34 PM


"Steve" wrote in message ...
Hiya everyone, I am on the gold coast just south of Brisbane in Queensland
Australia
Just bought my shortwave radio a Sangean ats 505 . I am surprised at how
little I can pick up?
Anyone and good ideas to help me. I am lucky if I can get 5 stations in
total

Thanks for any help you can give
I used to have an old Russian shortwave that I bought in England and was
like a tank big CLUNK CLICK selector dial got great service off it but it
died after 30 years

Im pretty new to all this though
thanks
Steve



My 505 is pretty sensitive off the whip. Overloads with external antenna.
The SW schedules just changed so you might not be listening at the right times.
DxAce just gave me a good site to find the latest broadcast times and target areas.
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld5051.txt
When it's available the bc-a05.txt at http://www.eibi.de.vu will be very useful
and the same goes for English language schedules at http://www.primetimeshortwave.com



Dan March 28th 05 11:40 PM

Try at night.. you sheould get more stations..
( See sched below)

http://www.susi-und-strolch.de/eibi/bc-b04.txt

" Gold Coast" ??
In a high rise, in the middle of a city ??

Try to get some sort of random wire antenna outside your dwelling..

20 -30 feet should do wonders..Screw " Overload" , hook it up to the
whip..

http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...ire/index.html


Telamon March 29th 05 04:42 AM

In article .com,
"Dan" wrote:

Try at night.. you sheould get more stations..
( See sched below)

http://www.susi-und-strolch.de/eibi/bc-b04.txt

" Gold Coast" ??
In a high rise, in the middle of a city ??

Try to get some sort of random wire antenna outside your dwelling..

20 -30 feet should do wonders..Screw " Overload" , hook it up to the
whip..

http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...ire/index.html


Put the petal to the metal Dan.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF March 29th 05 11:45 AM

STEVE,

Steve March 29th 05 11:36 PM

"20 -30 feet should do wonders..Screw " Overload" , hook it up to the
whip.."..Thanks but could someone decipher this message, Im new to the
lingo?
regards
Steve

"Dan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Try at night.. you sheould get more stations..
( See sched below)

STEVE

http://www.susi-und-strolch.de/eibi/bc-b04.txt

" Gold Coast" ??
In a high rise, in the middle of a city ??

Try to get some sort of random wire antenna outside your dwelling..

20 -30 feet should do wonders..Screw " Overload" , hook it up to the
whip..

http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...ire/index.html




Steve March 29th 05 11:49 PM

Hi Guys
Im really disappointed that I buy a Sangean 505 shortwave radio for $200
Australian dollars and this morning I could not pick up even one station?

I live on the coast in south east queensland at the gold coast australia, my
house is placed half way down a steep bank with good clear views.

I have read http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/portablewire.html and will give
it a go!
what is overload and why do you think Im not getting any stations
When I press auto search it stops at many stations but all I hear is rumble
noise, if you know what I mean

I do appreciate all help,

regards
steve




Tom Sevart March 30th 05 12:48 AM


"Steve" wrote in message
...
Hi Guys
Im really disappointed that I buy a Sangean 505 shortwave radio for $200
Australian dollars and this morning I could not pick up even one station?


There may be a chance you have a defective receiver. Even during the middle
of the day you should pick up some stations on the higher frequencies. When
I was in the Philippines I used to pick up all sorts of stations from all
over Asia & the Pacific.

I have read http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/portablewire.html and will give
it a go!


Yeah the guy who put up that site is a pretty neat guy! :-)

what is overload and why do you think Im not getting any stations
When I press auto search it stops at many stations but all I hear is

rumble
noise, if you know what I mean


Overload means your receiver is being overloaded by strong signals, and this
results in certain stations being heard all over the bands, no matter what
frequency you tune to. Or, it means that strong stations will show up in
places they shouldn't be. Overload is usually a problem with a high gain
antenna or too much amplification. A short wire (15 to 20 feet) connected
to the whip as outlined on my page above should not overload a portable
receiver.

I usually don't use auto search on HF due to the characteristics of
propagation, fading, etc. Plus weak stations will probably be passed over.
I'm not sure what you mean by a rumble noise, but if the station is strong
and all you hear is rumbling then I'd suspect a defective receiver.

--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc



running dogg March 30th 05 12:54 AM

Steve wrote:

"20 -30 feet should do wonders..Screw " Overload" , hook it up to the
whip.."..Thanks but could someone decipher this message, Im new to the
lingo?
regards
Steve


20-30 feet of wire, should be copper wire, speaker wire will do. Hook it
up to the "whip antenna", that is, the metal retracting rod antenna that
extends out from the top of the radio. It would be best to hook it up to
the end of the antenna where the little knob is. Overload is when a
signal is too strong for your radio's circuits and creates false signals
or "images" all over the dial. Since you're in Australia, overload
should not be too much of a problem, is what Dan is saying. From your
other posts, it sounds like you live at the base of a hill on the beach,
your house pointing southeast. This is not a good situation to receive
signals on a small portable radio just using the built in antenna (the
"whip"). That's why you need to hook up 30 feet (about 10 meters, I
think) of copper wire to the end of the whip antenna and run the wire
outside your house and hook the other end of the wire to a tree or a
wood fence or anything that's not metal. Do you understand a little bit
better?


"Dan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Try at night.. you sheould get more stations..
( See sched below)

STEVE

http://www.susi-und-strolch.de/eibi/bc-b04.txt

" Gold Coast" ??
In a high rise, in the middle of a city ??

Try to get some sort of random wire antenna outside your dwelling..

20 -30 feet should do wonders..Screw " Overload" , hook it up to the
whip..

http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...ire/index.html





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RHF March 30th 05 02:21 AM

STEVE,

Smith-Gaspard W4ONO March 30th 05 07:08 PM

Hello Steve, et al ...

I am not familiar with your shortwave receiver, but perhaps you can tell
me the
receiver controls on the front.

Most communications receivers will have certain circuit designs that
will prevent
"overload", such as an automatic gain control [AGC] which automatically
attenuates large amounts of radio frequency [RF] energy entering the
first stage
of your tuned circuits. If your receiver does have an AGC switch, try
turning this
circuit in the on position and see if there is any difference.

Good communications receivers will have one to two stages of RF
amplification
circuits which are designed for selectivity. These circuits are
manually controlled
by a control on the front of the receiver called an RF control. By
decreasing the
RF control you will decrease the amount of RF amplification and bring
back the
selectivity to the front-end stages. Look in your instruction manual
and see what
your Intermod-Distortion [IMD] specifications are. This is the ability
of your
tuned circuits to reject received signals from heterodyning with the
local oscillator
[LO] during the mixing stage.

After you have read your manual and are satisfied with the ability to
control your
receiver correctly, I will be happy to suggest various external
wide-band antennas
that are simple to construct.

73 de Jim W4ONO .-.-.
West Central Gulf Coast of Florida, U.S.A.

Steve wrote:

Yes, Im receiving lots of signals but not music or speaking just a loud
rumbling like the sound of an aircrafts engine

steve





Smith-Gaspard W4ONO March 30th 05 07:09 PM

Hello Steve, et al ...

I am not familiar with your shortwave receiver, but perhaps you can tell
me the
receiver controls on the front.

Most communications receivers will have certain circuit designs that
will prevent
"overload", such as an automatic gain control [AGC] which automatically
attenuates large amounts of radio frequency [RF] energy entering the
first stage
of your tuned circuits. If your receiver does have an AGC switch, try
turning this
circuit in the on position and see if there is any difference.

Good communications receivers will have one to two stages of RF
amplification
circuits which are designed for selectivity. These circuits are
manually controlled
by a control on the front of the receiver called an RF control. By
decreasing the
RF control you will decrease the amount of RF amplification and bring
back the
selectivity to the front-end stages. Look in your instruction manual
and see what
your Intermod-Distortion [IMD] specifications are. This is the ability
of your
tuned circuits to reject received signals from heterodyning with the
local oscillator
[LO] during the mixing stage.

After you have read your manual and are satisfied with the ability to
control your
receiver correctly, I will be happy to suggest various external
wide-band antennas
that are simple to construct.

73 de Jim W4ONO .-.-.
West Central Gulf Coast of Florida, U.S.A.

Steve wrote:

Yes, Im receiving lots of signals but not music or speaking just a loud
rumbling like the sound of an aircrafts engine

steve





Tebojockey March 31st 05 01:00 AM

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:43:01 +1000, "Steve"
wrote:

Yes, Im receiving lots of signals but not music or speaking just a loud
rumbling like the sound of an aircrafts engine

steve
"Tom Sevart" wrote in message
...

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Hi Guys
Im really disappointed that I buy a Sangean 505 shortwave radio for $200
Australian dollars and this morning I could not pick up even one

station?

There may be a chance you have a defective receiver. Even during the

middle
of the day you should pick up some stations on the higher frequencies.

When
I was in the Philippines I used to pick up all sorts of stations from all
over Asia & the Pacific.

I have read http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/portablewire.html and will

give
it a go!


Yeah the guy who put up that site is a pretty neat guy! :-)

what is overload and why do you think Im not getting any stations
When I press auto search it stops at many stations but all I hear is

rumble
noise, if you know what I mean


Overload means your receiver is being overloaded by strong signals, and

this
results in certain stations being heard all over the bands, no matter what
frequency you tune to. Or, it means that strong stations will show up in
places they shouldn't be. Overload is usually a problem with a high gain
antenna or too much amplification. A short wire (15 to 20 feet) connected
to the whip as outlined on my page above should not overload a portable
receiver.

I usually don't use auto search on HF due to the characteristics of
propagation, fading, etc. Plus weak stations will probably be passed

over.
I'm not sure what you mean by a rumble noise, but if the station is strong
and all you hear is rumbling then I'd suspect a defective receiver.

--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc




Is it possible, that by "rumbling" he means a loud buzzing from DC to
daylight? If this is the case, I would look at electrical
interference. Likely culprits could include pole-mounted utility
transformers (pole pigs), poorly filtered compressors on AC and
refrigerator units, or any running electric motors.

Steve, you might check around and see if shutting any of these local
things off stops a lot of the "rumbling."

Al in CNMI

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Steve March 31st 05 02:15 AM

thanks everyone
im trying everything
steve
0405722189
"Tebojockey" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:43:01 +1000, "Steve"
wrote:

Yes, Im receiving lots of signals but not music or speaking just a loud
rumbling like the sound of an aircrafts engine

steve
"Tom Sevart" wrote in message
...

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Hi Guys
Im really disappointed that I buy a Sangean 505 shortwave radio for

$200
Australian dollars and this morning I could not pick up even one

station?

There may be a chance you have a defective receiver. Even during the

middle
of the day you should pick up some stations on the higher frequencies.

When
I was in the Philippines I used to pick up all sorts of stations from

all
over Asia & the Pacific.

I have read http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/portablewire.html and will

give
it a go!

Yeah the guy who put up that site is a pretty neat guy! :-)

what is overload and why do you think Im not getting any stations
When I press auto search it stops at many stations but all I hear is
rumble
noise, if you know what I mean

Overload means your receiver is being overloaded by strong signals, and

this
results in certain stations being heard all over the bands, no matter

what
frequency you tune to. Or, it means that strong stations will show up

in
places they shouldn't be. Overload is usually a problem with a high

gain
antenna or too much amplification. A short wire (15 to 20 feet)

connected
to the whip as outlined on my page above should not overload a portable
receiver.

I usually don't use auto search on HF due to the characteristics of
propagation, fading, etc. Plus weak stations will probably be passed

over.
I'm not sure what you mean by a rumble noise, but if the station is

strong
and all you hear is rumbling then I'd suspect a defective receiver.

--
Tom Sevart
Frontenac, KS
http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc




Is it possible, that by "rumbling" he means a loud buzzing from DC to
daylight? If this is the case, I would look at electrical
interference. Likely culprits could include pole-mounted utility
transformers (pole pigs), poorly filtered compressors on AC and
refrigerator units, or any running electric motors.

Steve, you might check around and see if shutting any of these local
things off stops a lot of the "rumbling."

Al in CNMI

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Li Changchun March 31st 05 02:53 AM

Communist China planning to invade Taiwan in 2012, says highly placed
source: An unnamed "high level CCP official" told the Epoch Times that the
Communist leadership "set up the timeline for attacking Taiwan" early in
2004. The purpose for the invasion of the island democracy will be "to
resolve conflicts inside China, no matter whether Taiwan announce
independence or not." The pieces of the plan were as follows:

Prior to 2008, every policy should center one the Olympics to further arouse
Chinese people's patriotism and prepare for attacking Taiwan. Around 2010,
reorganize the Party and clean out all the members who are against military
action. Around 2012, attack Taiwan and call for an Emergency Act inside
China. Through the Emergency Act, the CCP could confiscate private property,
especially people's savings, to resolve its financial and economic crises.
Eliminate the groups inside China that the CCP deems "anti-government
forces", such as Falun Gong, unofficial churches, human rights activists,
advocates for Tibetan independence, advocates for the independence of
Xinjian (East Turkestan), and intellectuals. Arouse Chinese people's
patriotism through the Emergency Act in order to resolve the unemployment
issue.

The aforementioned anonymous cadre fears "all these steps means China is
closer to fascism." This source specifically cited the newly minted
"anti-secession law" as part of the plot to "give the right of calling for
military actions to the CCP chairman." That man is now Hu Jintao, who at the
time of the plans formation was Vice-Chairman of the all-important Party
Central Military Commission Chairman. Jiang Zemin, who as Party CMC Chair
led the early 2004 discussion that led to the invasion plan, reportedly told
Hu earlier this month, "if we have to attack Taiwan, the earlier the
better."
http://china-e-lobby.blogspot.com/20...arch-2627.html

Communist China wants to limit American weapons in space: Communist China is
calling for a treaty to limit arms in space, in reaction to U.S. efforts to
protect its satellites orbiting the globe (Washington Post). What the
Communists don't tell the paper is their desire to have a clear shot at
those very satellites in the event of a conflict.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Mar28.html

Communist media crackdown expands:
The Communist crackdown on media continues, with "warnings to three
newspapers: the China Business News of Shanghai, the Economic Observer of
Beijing, and the 21st Century Business Herald of Guangzhou" (Epoch Times) as
well as Nan Fang Daily in Guangdong. To ensure their warnings are followed,
"When the Propaganda Department finds fault with a reporter, editor, or
supervisor, the Department also withholds several months of the individual's
pay."
http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-3-29/27444.html

Professor fired for ripping Communist media control: Meanwhile, Beijing
University Professor Jiao Guobiao has been fired for "an astonishingly bold
paper" he wrote last year "attacking the Communist Party's propaganda
department." Jiao "accused it of sheltering corrupt officials and compared
the state censors to those in Nazi Germany." Prior to getting canned, his
books had already been banned, and "he was included in a blacklist of
intellectuals forbidden from appearing in the media."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4392705.stm

Above links courtesy of http://china-e-lobby.blogspot.com/



[email protected] March 31st 05 03:39 AM

Are there any government or Military installations or bases or big radar
domes or big towers near you? I am only guessing,but that could have
something to do with causing your radio recpetion problem.
cuhulin


[email protected] March 31st 05 03:42 AM

Taiwan is not and never has been part of China.Taiwan is an Independent
Nation.
cuhulin


blue water toiletsplash \(mrs.\) March 31st 05 07:08 PM


"Li Changchun" wrote in message
...
Communist China planning to invade Taiwan in 2012, says highly placed
source: An unnamed "high level CCP official" told the Epoch Times that the
Communist leadership "set up the timeline for attacking Taiwan" early in
2004.


It would help to understand 3 things with regard to
the above......

1) The Epoch Times is a newspaper which is allegedly
owned by Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.
A quasi church cult which is known for far right wing
political leanings.

2) The notion that China would invade Taiwan is just so much pablumous
bullshi+.
Taiwan currently farms out close to 70% of it's vast consumer products
manufacturing base to China. This cross-border trade accounts for close
to $800B
in shared revenue. From an economic standpoint, Mainland China and
Taiwan are already one and the same Country/Political Jurisdiction.
For China to invade Taiwan would be shooting themselves in the foot and
killing
one-Half of the Golden Goose that lays the Economic Eggs. (Hong Kong
being
the other half of this equation.

3) China going to war would destabilize the economy of Japan as many
Japanese
companies do business in China. So does the USA. China goes to war
means
no product shipped from the Pacific Rim. The Banking and Merchant
Trade
Guild will NEVER let this happen.....PERIOD.





[email protected] March 31st 05 07:34 PM

(Mrs) That's what I was sort of kind of trying to say too,if China tries
to take over (OK,you said it first and I give you credit for that too)
Taiwan,China will **** up big time! I am fixin to put on my cleanest
dirty clothes now and head on over to the Goodwill thriftstore and see
what kind of junk is over there that I don't need and flirt with them
wimmins over there and yesterday,I saw a certain IBM computer over there
and I wont give them more than five dollars for that IBM
computer,assuming it's still there,that is, and I might,just might see a
GE super radio over there that I can buy for a couple of dollars and
sell it on ebay for one hundred dollars or more.Let me get my ass out
the door now.
cuhulin


Li Changchun April 1st 05 01:07 AM


"blue water toiletsplash (mrs.)" wrote in
message roups.com...

1) The Epoch Times is a newspaper which is allegedly
owned by Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.
A quasi church cult which is known for far right wing
political leanings.


And your point is...?

The fact about the Epoch Times is that many stories are sourced from other
media. Including The Voice of America.

If you wish to make an issue with a religion denomination as being "right
wing" then you must include the Catholic Church, Orthodox Jews, Islamic
Fundamentalists, and so many more. The point here is that religion has
nothing to do with FACTS published in an independent newspaper.

Perhaps you would prefer reading the Chinese Communist Party propaganda
newspapers? Is it not "right wing"?

If the People's Liberation Army faction within the CCP find it is in their
interest to invade Taiwan when they feel they can survive the onslaught then
trust me, they will!



running dogg April 1st 05 05:40 AM

Li Changchun wrote:


If the People's Liberation Army faction within the CCP find it is in their
interest to invade Taiwan when they feel they can survive the onslaught then
trust me, they will!


Not unless they're extremely stupid, which is a possibility. If they
invade then they'll have to take on the US Army. If they try to take out
all the world's satellites to cripple said army they'll get the entire
PLANET ****ed at them, and lined up behind the Americans. If they nuke
LA in order to get the US to back off, they will find themselves
vaporizing under 15,000 nuclear warheads. Same thing for nuking
Washington DC or any other American territory. It would be a no win
situation for the CCP. Even if they nuked just Taipei they would
probably find themselves under a general embargo. No oil, no factories.


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[email protected] April 1st 05 06:16 AM

If the chinks or any other countries (we are at War with Iraq and the
terrorist all over the World right now) attack any part of America or
American Territories or allies of America,not only the U.S.Army but all
branches of the U.S.Military will attack any and all countries
involved.I believe HAARP can shut down China and any other country or
countries at will.
cuhulin


[email protected] April 1st 05 06:19 AM

U.S.Air Force says they will OWN the weather by 2025,or sooner.OWNING
the weather is one hell of a weapon agains't our enemies.
cuhulin


[email protected] April 1st 05 06:25 AM

We can send China back to the stone age.China already has problems with
drought,we can turn China into a big dust bowl or flood them all just
like a bunch of rats.Any and or all of that would be perfectly fine with
me!
cuhulin.


[email protected] April 1st 05 06:26 AM

We can ZAP Peking at a moments notice at any time,now or later.
cuhulin


John S. April 2nd 05 05:37 PM

Go reread your history....you may wish to beleve that Taiwan has always
been an indepdent country but it does not change the facts.


RM MS April 2nd 05 08:00 PM

I'm assuming you'renew because of the statement about the external
antenna, BTW: Yes-by all means, it will make a world of difference. But,
to continue, try the lower freq's at night, like 4700 to 11000, and the
higher ones daytime, 9500 to 15000. Hope this narrows down your search a
little bit.


RM MS April 2nd 05 08:02 PM

The short wave bands are vast, compared to regular broadcast bands, so
you will have to be a bit more diligent in your search. In general, try
the lower bands at night, and the higher ones for daytime.


RM MS April 2nd 05 08:07 PM

Flourescent lights and TV's are really bad, too.


Li Changchun April 3rd 05 12:58 AM


"John S." wrote in message
oups.com...
Go reread your history....you may wish to beleve that Taiwan has always
been an indepdent country but it does not change the facts.


I concede, you are correct. I simply responded too hastily without
comprehending exactly the time from it refereed to.

By the way, unlike the mainland Chinese, the Taiwanese have an affinity
towards the Japanese.

The fact that matters is that the Chinese Communist Party NEVER occupied
Taiwan.
The Communist regime defeated Chiang Hai Chek(sp?) on the mainland and was
forced to retreat to Taiwan around 1949.

History changes nothing in regards to the present day threats from Communist
China.
Ignoring the present danger changes nothing except who will write the
history books.





Caveat Lector April 3rd 05 03:59 AM



--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Leonard Martin" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
"John S." wrote:

Go reread your history....you may wish to beleve that Taiwan has always
been an indepdent country but it does not change the facts.



As it happens, I know a grad student from Tainwan. I remember him
telling me about how Japan controlled Taiwan before WWII.

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor


Maybe read the History of Taiwan -- URL:
http://www.taiwandc.org/hst-1624.htm




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