Pope's Death: A Defining Moment
 

This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

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The Pope's Death: A Defining Moment
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

As I write this, Pope John Paul II is near death. Once he draws his last
breath, a Vatican official will lightly tap three times upon the
deceased pontiff's forehead with a golden hammer and call his name. Upon
receiving no reply, the cardinal chamberlain will remove John Paul's
fisherman's ring and smash it. Thus begins the pagan Romish spectacle of
choosing and crowning a new pope.

The pope's death is the dawn of a defining moment for all who claim to
be born-again followers of Jesus Christ, whether they call themselves
Protestant or evangelical or just plain Christian. It does not take a
prophet to state that the passing of Pope John Paul II will trigger a
flood of statements and discussions among Christian pro-family leaders,
talk show hosts, and nationally known preachers. It also does not take a
prophet to know that the dead pope will have mountains of compliments
heaped upon him by many of those same individuals. Going a step further,
it is safe to say that the presupposition underlying those eulogies and
the recurring theme at the heart of them will be that the pope was a
wonderful, godly man, a Christian who is now in heaven.

As I said, this is a defining moment. It is, in fact, an evangelistic
moment catching the attention of virtually the entire world. What should
any true follower of Jesus say about such a man as Pope John Paul II?
What should one who has assumed a role as a shepherd of Christ's flock
or a spokesman for His Church say about the pope? Plainly and simply
put, they should say that John Paul II was a counterfeit, a minister of
Satan (2 Corinthians 11:13-15). They should tell the truth that he was
an accursed man who deceived millions. Those who cannot tell the truth
should not say anything. Those evangelical leaders who feel so compelled
to express their affection and respect for Pope John Paul II do not seem
to know or care that they are at the same time showing anything but love
for the Roman Catholic people whom the pope has deceived and enslaved.
They are certainly not showing respect for the Word of God which the
pope, that man of sin, trod underfoot and the blood of Jesus which he
counted as an unholy thing.

The pope preached the false Roman Catholic gospel which features a false
Christ who cannot save without the aid of priests practicing pagan
rituals and penitents performing works and a pagan goddess sharing her
favors. The pope blasphemed the Lord Jesus Christ as a way of life, most
especially during the mass when he claimed to call down our Great High
Priest from the right hand of the Majesty in heaven and turn Him into a
wafer and a goblet of wine. The pope blasphemed against the Holy Spirit,
claiming to displace Him as Christ's substitute and voice on this earth.
The pope championed the cause of the Roman Catholic Virgin Mary goddess.
He prayed to her, worshiped her, and adored her. He consecrated the
nations to her. He endorsed and reveled in her demonic apparitions. He
credited her with saving his life.

There is so much which could be said about Pope John Paul II, about his
corrosive, damning influence and his pagan practices. But why belabor
the point? The truth has been apparent for all to see for twenty-six
years. And simply put, the pope was a pope. The nature of popes is the
nature of antichrist because they are antichrist just as the Roman
Catholic Church is the woman who rides the beast as described in
Revelation chapter 17. That the pope and his church are evil is an
understatement. The Word of God shows the pope to be an accursed man no
matter what good causes he may have championed.

The tragedy which is upon us is not the death of the pope, although
neither will we revel in the death nor damnation of any man. The tragedy
which is upon us and which the pope's death will clearly emphasize once
more is the dearth of integrity, discernment, and courage among
evangelical—or should I say neo-evangelical—leaders in our nation.
Remaining silent at this time, as reprehensible as that is, would be a
vast improvement to the message many such leaders will feel the need to
proclaim. The world's impression that Pope John Paul II was a true
Christian man leading the true Christian Church, teaching the true
Christian gospel will be strongly reinforced by the accolades heaped
upon the pope by evangelical leaders. At the same time, the great
milling mixture of sheep and goats which fill up the evangelical
churches in our land will be further compromised and confused. The death
of Pope John Paul II is a defining moment which will reveal the hearts
of many who present themselves as born-again, blood-washed followers of
Jesus Christ but by their words will reveal that they are either not His
or that they should not publicly represent Him.

Reams of paper could be expended documenting the heresy of Pope John
Paul II and citing the Scripture verses proving that such a man is not a
Christian, not a servant of God, and not now in heaven. But in reality,
Galatians chapter one, verses eight and nine should settle that matter:

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto
you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As
we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel
unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

Pastor Ralph Ovadal
Pilgrims Covenant Church

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

Dear Al-Pocalypse®,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am not one of those
interested in this article you've posted.

How is the Haldol working for you?

73,

Steve

Please keep your religious superstition to the appropiate website
steve
ps the popes death is less defining than the 200 million people killed in
religious wars the last 2000 years
get a grip



"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

======


The Pope's Death: A Defining Moment
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

As I write this, Pope John Paul II is near death. Once he draws his last
breath, a Vatican official will lightly tap three times upon the
deceased pontiff's forehead with a golden hammer and call his name. Upon
receiving no reply, the cardinal chamberlain will remove John Paul's
fisherman's ring and smash it. Thus begins the pagan Romish spectacle of
choosing and crowning a new pope.

The pope's death is the dawn of a defining moment for all who claim to
be born-again followers of Jesus Christ, whether they call themselves
Protestant or evangelical or just plain Christian. It does not take a
prophet to state that the passing of Pope John Paul II will trigger a
flood of statements and discussions among Christian pro-family leaders,
talk show hosts, and nationally known preachers. It also does not take a
prophet to know that the dead pope will have mountains of compliments
heaped upon him by many of those same individuals. Going a step further,
it is safe to say that the presupposition underlying those eulogies and
the recurring theme at the heart of them will be that the pope was a
wonderful, godly man, a Christian who is now in heaven.

As I said, this is a defining moment. It is, in fact, an evangelistic
moment catching the attention of virtually the entire world. What should

any true follower of Jesus say about such a man as Pope John Paul II?
What should one who has assumed a role as a shepherd of Christ's flock
or a spokesman for His Church say about the pope? Plainly and simply
put, they should say that John Paul II was a counterfeit, a minister of
Satan (2 Corinthians 11:13-15). They should tell the truth that he was
an accursed man who deceived millions. Those who cannot tell the truth
should not say anything. Those evangelical leaders who feel so compelled
to express their affection and respect for Pope John Paul II do not seem
to know or care that they are at the same time showing anything but love
for the Roman Catholic people whom the pope has deceived and enslaved.
They are certainly not showing respect for the Word of God which the
pope, that man of sin, trod underfoot and the blood of Jesus which he
counted as an unholy thing.

The pope preached the false Roman Catholic gospel which features a false
Christ who cannot save without the aid of priests practicing pagan
rituals and penitents performing works and a pagan goddess sharing her
favors. The pope blasphemed the Lord Jesus Christ as a way of life, most
especially during the mass when he claimed to call down our Great High
Priest from the right hand of the Majesty in heaven and turn Him into a
wafer and a goblet of wine. The pope blasphemed against the Holy Spirit,
claiming to displace Him as Christ's substitute and voice on this earth.
The pope championed the cause of the Roman Catholic Virgin Mary goddess.
He prayed to her, worshiped her, and adored her. He consecrated the
nations to her. He endorsed and reveled in her demonic apparitions. He
credited her with saving his life.

There is so much which could be said about Pope John Paul II, about his
corrosive, damning influence and his pagan practices. But why belabor
the point? The truth has been apparent for all to see for twenty-six
years. And simply put, the pope was a pope. The nature of popes is the
nature of antichrist because they are antichrist just as the Roman
Catholic Church is the woman who rides the beast as described in
Revelation chapter 17. That the pope and his church are evil is an
understatement. The Word of God shows the pope to be an accursed man no
matter what good causes he may have championed.

The tragedy which is upon us is not the death of the pope, although
neither will we revel in the death nor damnation of any man. The tragedy
which is upon us and which the pope's death will clearly emphasize once
more is the dearth of integrity, discernment, and courage among
evangelical—or should I say neo-evangelical—leaders in our nation.
Remaining silent at this time, as reprehensible as that is, would be a
vast improvement to the message many such leaders will feel the need to
proclaim. The world's impression that Pope John Paul II was a true
Christian man leading the true Christian Church, teaching the true
Christian gospel will be strongly reinforced by the accolades heaped
upon the pope by evangelical leaders. At the same time, the great
milling mixture of sheep and goats which fill up the evangelical
churches in our land will be further compromised and confused. The death
of Pope John Paul II is a defining moment which will reveal the hearts
of many who present themselves as born-again, blood-washed followers of
Jesus Christ but by their words will reveal that they are either not His
or that they should not publicly represent Him.

Reams of paper could be expended documenting the heresy of Pope John
Paul II and citing the Scripture verses proving that such a man is not a
Christian, not a servant of God, and not now in heaven. But in reality,
Galatians chapter one, verses eight and nine should settle that matter:

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto
you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As
we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel
unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

Pastor Ralph Ovadal
Pilgrims Covenant Church

Al Patrick wrote:

Now we can add Catholics to the list of people Al doesn't like!

Al's postings are bad enough. Imagine if you actually met him? Imagine
what it must be like listening to him at parties?

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html

From: Al Patrick
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:14:39 -0400
Subject: Pope's Death: A Defining Moment

This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

You figured wrong.

(snip)

What should any true follower of Jesus say about such a man as Pope John Paul
II?

Just a wild guess, how about "Judge not, lest ye be judged?"

(snip)

There is so much which could be said about Pope John Paul II,

But, of course, this isn't the place for it.

Greg

:)

Brian Denley wrote:

Now we can add Catholics to the list of people Al doesn't like!

Al's postings are bad enough. Imagine if you actually met him? Imagine
what it must be like listening to him at parties?

---------

and wrote:

Please keep your religious superstition to the appropiate website
steve
ps the popes death is less defining than the 200 million people killed in
religious wars the last 2000 years
get a grip

---------

and wrote:

And if there *is* a reply, they will summon the "Holy Sledge-Hammer"...

-=jd=-

---------

and wrote:

Dear Al-Pocalypse®,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am not one of those
interested in this article you've posted.

How is the Haldol working for you?

73,

Steve

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AND GOD WROTE:

Mt 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your
Father, which is in heaven.

But let's put it in context:

Matthew 23:1 ¶ Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on
men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of
their fingers.

5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad
their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the
synagogues,

7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and
all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father,
which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall
humble himself shall be exalted.

13 ¶ But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut
up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour
widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall
receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea
and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold
more the child of hell than yourselves.

16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by
the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the
temple, he is a debtor!

17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple
that sanctifieth the gold?

18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but
whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar
that sanctifieth the gift?

20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all
things thereon.

21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that
dwelleth therein.

22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God,
and by him that sitteth thereon.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of
mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the
law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to
leave the other undone.

24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean
the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of
extortion and excess.

26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and
platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like
unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye
are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build
the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?

34 ¶ Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them
shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest
them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy
children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall
say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Matthew 24:1 ¶ And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple....

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

Tell me Albert, do you always lend your endorsement of other's rather
kooky religious beliefs, then back away after you're comfortable
that you've 'left your mark' for others to sense, much like a feral
tomcat or stray spraying his territory ?

"The Pope's Death: A Defining Moment"
Pastor Ralph Ovadal
Pilgrims Covenant Church

Here's their homepage http://www.wcuweb.com/Documents/main.html

Sort of reminds me of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka.
Their not quite as rabid as Fred Phelp's imbred clan of phucking misfits
but they are definatly cut from the same driedout-chip-filled-cookie-dough.
That and they are an anti-Catholic group also. The link below proves it.

http://www.wcuweb.com/Documents/More...nthesepage.htm

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says...
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"Al Patrick" wrote in message=20
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This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I=20
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)
=20
Dear Al-Pocalypse=AE,
=20
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am not one of those
interested in this article you've posted.
=20
How is the Haldol working for you?
=20
73,
=20
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Obviously, it's not..

He's as loony as ever...

I've never heard about the hammer deal before..

Tap..Tap...Tap!

Hello!?

LOL, I'll have to look into that, but I'm guessing it's just another=20
whacky thing the loons dream up, like jews eating babies and **** like=20
that..


BDK

Brian Denley wrote:

Al Patrick wrote:

Now we can add Catholics to the list of people Al doesn't like!

Al's postings are bad enough. Imagine if you actually met him? Imagine
what it must be like listening to him at parties?

He gets invited to parties? You mean there are actually gatherings of
people like Al that happen in the real world (as opposed to over the
internet) where they all talk about kook religion? Wow. Scary.


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"BDK" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

Dear Al-Pocalypse®,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am not one of those
interested in this article you've posted.

How is the Haldol working for you?

73,

Steve




Obviously, it's not..

He's as loony as ever...

I've never heard about the hammer deal before..

Tap..Tap...Tap!

Hello!?

LOL, I'll have to look into that, but I'm guessing it's just another
whacky thing the loons dream up, like jews eating babies and **** like
that..


BDK

Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote:


"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

Dear Al-Pocalypse®,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am not one of those
interested in this article you've posted.

How is the Haldol working for you?

Wrong medication. Haldol is for Tourette Syndrome, which is quite
different from acute schizoaffective psychosis and obsessive compulsive
disorder. Al needs Luvox, and a good antipsychotic or three. He needs
the help of a compteent psychiatrist to coordinate all his meds. But
even the best shrink can't fix Stupid Syndrome.


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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 04 Apr 2005 09:14:39p, Al Patrick wrote in
message :

This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

======


The Pope's Death: A Defining Moment
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

As I write this, Pope John Paul II is near death. Once he draws his last
breath, a Vatican official will lightly tap three times upon the
deceased pontiff's forehead with a golden hammer and call his name. Upon
receiving no reply, the cardinal chamberlain will remove John Paul's
fisherman's ring and smash it.
{snippage}


And if there *is* a reply, they will summon the "Holy Sledge-Hammer"...

From the looks of it, they didn't need the golden sledgehammer this
time. Maybe next pope...


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running dogg wrote:
-=jd=- wrote:


On Mon 04 Apr 2005 09:14:39p, Al Patrick wrote in
message :


This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

======


The Pope's Death: A Defining Moment
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

As I write this, Pope John Paul II is near death. Once he draws his last
breath, a Vatican official will lightly tap three times upon the
deceased pontiff's forehead with a golden hammer and call his name. Upon
receiving no reply, the cardinal chamberlain will remove John Paul's
fisherman's ring and smash it.
{snippage}


And if there *is* a reply, they will summon the "Holy Sledge-Hammer"...


From the looks of it, they didn't need the golden sledgehammer this
time. Maybe next pope...


With due respect to very old traditions . . .

The hammer bit (and it ws always a silver hammer, not a gold one) was
used for centuries. The ritual was that the Camerlengo
(second-in-command) would tap the Pontiffs head three times, calling out
the Pontiffs baptismal name after each tap. If there was no response,
he would turn to the other Cardinal witnesses and say: "The throne of
Peter is vacant. Of a certainty, the pope is dead". The calling out
three times of the baptismal name is still followed as a mattaer of a
nod to tradition, but the "silver hammer" thing hasn't been done since
the mid-20th century.

Tony

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Tony Meloche wrote:

running dogg wrote:
-=jd=- wrote:


On Mon 04 Apr 2005 09:14:39p, Al Patrick wrote in
message :


This article is NOT MINE and I do not know the accuracy of it but I
figured a few of you would be interested in it. :-)

======


The Pope's Death: A Defining Moment
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

As I write this, Pope John Paul II is near death. Once he draws his last
breath, a Vatican official will lightly tap three times upon the
deceased pontiff's forehead with a golden hammer and call his name. Upon
receiving no reply, the cardinal chamberlain will remove John Paul's
fisherman's ring and smash it.
{snippage}


And if there *is* a reply, they will summon the "Holy Sledge-Hammer"...


From the looks of it, they didn't need the golden sledgehammer this
time. Maybe next pope...


With due respect to very old traditions . . .

The hammer bit (and it ws always a silver hammer, not a gold one) was
used for centuries. The ritual was that the Camerlengo
(second-in-command) would tap the Pontiffs head three times, calling out
the Pontiffs baptismal name after each tap. If there was no response,
he would turn to the other Cardinal witnesses and say: "The throne of
Peter is vacant. Of a certainty, the pope is dead". The calling out
three times of the baptismal name is still followed as a mattaer of a
nod to tradition, but the "silver hammer" thing hasn't been done since
the mid-20th century.

In an age in which we know that the Pope died at EXACTLY 9:37 pm Italy
time, the silver hammer is not exactly needed anymore. Presumably 1000
years ago, it was. In the days before we could tell with certainty that
a person was dead, there was a very real risk of being buried alive.
It's happened several times that are recorded. I've read that it even
happened recently (within the last ten years, maybe five) in Saudi
Arabia. The poor guy was buried alive and a shepherd heard him screaming
from inside his coffin and dug him out. He returned home in his burial
shroud and his mother and sister fainted from fright. IMO, this is what
happened to Jesus. He went into deep shock from being nailed to a cross
and seemed like he was dead, but when they went back three days later to
bury him he was actually alive, and the peasants thought that he had
returned from the dead. He was lucky-Jewish law requires a burial within
24 hours, but since he "died" on a Saturday morning (the Jewish day
begins at sundown) and Saturday is the holy day for Jews he was stashed
in an empty tomb for burial on Sunday. In the interim, he woke up. And
we're still suffering for Jesus's incredible stroke of luck 2000 years
later. :(


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running dogg wrote:

In an age in which we know that the Pope died at EXACTLY 9:37 pm Italy
time, the silver hammer is not exactly needed anymore. Presumably 1000
years ago, it was. In the days before we could tell with certainty that
a person was dead, there was a very real risk of being buried alive.
It's happened several times that are recorded. I've read that it even
happened recently (within the last ten years, maybe five) in Saudi
Arabia. The poor guy was buried alive and a shepherd heard him screaming
from inside his coffin and dug him out. He returned home in his burial
shroud and his mother and sister fainted from fright. IMO, this is what
happened to Jesus. He went into deep shock from being nailed to a cross
and seemed like he was dead, but when they went back three days later to
bury him he was actually alive, and the peasants thought that he had
returned from the dead.

Great try - but a few problems:

1) The Roman soldiers were probably the best, most experienced in the
land. They KNEW when a man was dead as they'd probably crucified many a
man in their days. They had a habit of breaking the legs so they could
not push themselves up - the only way to breath during a crucifixion -
if there was ANY DOUBT as to the death of the crucified. They, in order
to fulfill prophecy, they DID NOT break a bone in his body.

2) How do you explain a few facts that occurred IMMEDIATELY after
Christ "yielded up His spirit" - all found in Matthew 27, and other places?

Matthew 27:50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded
up His spirit.

Mt. 27:51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from
top to bottom;

3) Matthew 27:51 continued, and the earth shook and the rocks were split.

52 The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the 1saints who had
fallen asleep were raised;

53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the
holy city and appeared to many.

54 Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over
Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were
happening, became very frightened and said, “Truly this was the Son of
God!�

55 Many women were there looking on from a distance, who had followed
Jesus from Galilee while ministering to Him.

56 Among them was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and
Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.

New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995

We won't even (for now) go into the CONSPIRACY that followed in verses
62-66 where the Pharisees accused Him of being a deceiver, after His
death and when He could not defend himself - just like they do today and
like the Catholic church has done on several occasions; i.e. digging up
the bones of Westcott and Hort and mutilating them - long after they
were dead!

.....Or the plot AFTER THE RESURRECTION to say that 100 guards fell
asleep on duty and the disciples "stole" Him away without making a sound
that would awaken the guards.

The PLOT THICKENS -- just like over cooked stew! :-)

He was lucky-Jewish law requires a burial within
24 hours, but since he "died" on a Saturday morning (the Jewish day
begins at sundown) and Saturday is the holy day for Jews he was stashed
in an empty tomb for burial on Sunday. In the interim, he woke up. And
we're still suffering for Jesus's incredible stroke of luck 2000 years
later. :(

More filthy lies that don't line up with the Word of God! :-)

running dogg wrote:

In an age in which we know that the Pope died at EXACTLY 9:37 pm Italy
time, the silver hammer is not exactly needed anymore. Presumably 1000
years ago, it was. In the days before we could tell with certainty that
a person was dead, there was a very real risk of being buried alive.
It's happened several times that are recorded. I've read that it even
happened recently (within the last ten years, maybe five) in Saudi
Arabia. The poor guy was buried alive and a shepherd heard him screaming
from inside his coffin and dug him out. He returned home in his burial
shroud and his mother and sister fainted from fright.

Back when they often carried the body of the deceased to the grave in an
open coffin, a lady presumably passed away, but was actually in one of
these comas. On the way to the grave site she was pricked by a thorn
bush and she woke up. Some years later she actually did die. On the way
to the grave site the husband said, "please be careful of the thorn bush".

In article , says...
Brian Denley wrote:

Al Patrick wrote:

Now we can add Catholics to the list of people Al doesn't like!

Al's postings are bad enough. Imagine if you actually met him? Imagine
what it must be like listening to him at parties?

He gets invited to parties? You mean there are actually gatherings of
people like Al that happen in the real world (as opposed to over the
internet) where they all talk about kook religion? Wow. Scary.


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Sure, they wear these outfits made out of sheets and wear a pointy hood.

BDK

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:

running dogg wrote:

In an age in which we know that the Pope died at EXACTLY 9:37 pm Italy
time, the silver hammer is not exactly needed anymore. Presumably 1000
years ago, it was. In the days before we could tell with certainty that
a person was dead, there was a very real risk of being buried alive.
It's happened several times that are recorded. I've read that it even
happened recently (within the last ten years, maybe five) in Saudi
Arabia. The poor guy was buried alive and a shepherd heard him screaming
from inside his coffin and dug him out. He returned home in his burial
shroud and his mother and sister fainted from fright.

Back when they often carried the body of the deceased to the grave in an
open coffin, a lady presumably passed away, but was actually in one of
these comas. On the way to the grave site she was pricked by a thorn
bush and she woke up. Some years later she actually did die. On the way
to the grave site the husband said, "please be careful of the thorn bush".


I have a sneaking suspicion that being buried alive was quite common
back in the days before modern medicine. Jews and Muslims require burial
within 24 hours of death, which exacerbated the risk greatly. I've heard
that humans have a deep seated fear of being buried alive, and such a
fear likely had solid evolutionary footing in the old days. It's the
ultimate nightmare-waking up only to find that you're trapped six feet
under with no way out.


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Hello,

I have posted this one as I am keenly interested in the questions and
comments on youths, pop culture and religon. Pardon me for posting this
in two other places as I am curious about the replies.

Here is a prime example in an online story

www.orlandocitybeat.com/c...pop-promos


When pop culture is the only venue for exposure to religon, how does
this portray its leaders?

Kind Regards,
OldeWorldeMe