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"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:
Wow. Nice people. Honest musing he I wonder how many of them have crappy lives, and blame God for everything? I admire anyone, Christian or not, who has wrestled and wrangled with questions of being, faith, the world, and the meaning of life (for lack of a less-hackneyed phrase), but can't bear the in-your-face stridency that I see from those who blame Christians for everything -- Just about as much as it sickens me to see the weak sister pseudoChristians in the world. (I'll bet money you know a few of 'em - I certainly do). It was the actions of a number of so called Christians that kept me out of church for 35 years. What they did and said, and the way they treated people made me sick. I had faith, but I couldn't share it with them because their thoughts were on money, new cars, fancy clothes and who had the biggest church in the county. Another church contacted me about a new sound system, then told me I could have the job if I joined their church. The "Pastor" claimed it was a joke but I only took the job because I needed the money. I was in dozens of churches around my home town doing repairs and I didn't feel anything but pushy people making outrageous demands. I've had a number of things happen in my life that a lot of people don't believe. When I moved to Florida I had a choice of two vehicles. An Olds Starfire which was so small there wasn't enough room for half of my clothes, and a 73 Chevy stepvan that had sat in my drive for four years. A drunk driver hit my other car and rammed it into the truck, totaling both cars. The engine was seized, someone took the front grill, the back bumper was missing and there was a lot of rust. I told my friends I was going to resurrect the truck and use it. A friend used a logging chain and his souped up four wheel drive off road truck to pull me out of my driveway and got the truck up to 25 miles an hour. I popped the clutch and killed his engine. He started it and pulled me around the block to leave the truck in front of my house. He shook his head ands said, That engine will never run without a complete overhaul. I used Break Free penetrating oil in the cylinders, prayed about it and a half hour later the engine turned over when I tried it. I had the truck running for $8 and spent $52 on a used gas tank. I drove the truck a little over 5000 miles and didn't even pull the valve cover. I made one round trip from Ohio, and a second run to Florida in a truck people didn't believe would make the city limits. After a little rest to recover for all the driving I started looking for work. I walked into the business office of a local Christian TV station and was told they had no openings, and no budget to hire anyone at that time but let me fill out an application for broadcast engineer. They told me several times there was no job, but they had to take the application and keep it on file for the FCC. I got a phone call the next afternoon from their engineer asking me if I could stop by the studio in Orlando to talk to him. I was to be there the next day anyway so I set an appointment. We met and talked, and i was reminded that there was no money, but I was told they wanted to hire another engineer in about six months and would see if I was still looking. They called the next morning and asked if I could start the next day, that some money had turned up. There are a lot of other things like this that have happened, including walking way from a totaled seven month old '83 Toyota pickup when a woman hit me head on in my lane on the highway and the cop's amazed expression when I told him I was the driver, and Yes, I wasn't dead. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote: Wow. Nice people. Honest musing he I wonder how many of them have crappy lives, and blame God for everything? I admire anyone, Christian or not, who has wrestled and wrangled with questions of being, faith, the world, and the meaning of life (for lack of a less-hackneyed phrase), but can't bear the in-your-face stridency that I see from those who blame Christians for everything -- Just about as much as it sickens me to see the weak sister pseudoChristians in the world. (I'll bet money you know a few of 'em - I certainly do). Yes, there are a number of atheists who are angry at God for whatever reason (strange, since God doesn't exist) and bash everybody of faith relentlessly. This particular atheist believes that there are good people of every faith, and that faith per se is not bad. But when believers want to point a gun at my head and tell me what to believe, or want to overthrow the US Constitution and replace it with a Christian version of Iran, I'm gonna get mad. I'm a tolerant guy, but don't touch my rights under the First Amendment or attempt to overthrow the Constitution. It was the actions of a number of so called Christians that kept me out of church for 35 years. What they did and said, and the way they treated people made me sick. I had faith, but I couldn't share it with them because their thoughts were on money, new cars, fancy clothes and who had the biggest church in the county. Another church contacted me about a new sound system, then told me I could have the job if I joined their church. The "Pastor" claimed it was a joke but I only took the job because I needed the money. I was in dozens of churches around my home town doing repairs and I didn't feel anything but pushy people making outrageous demands. I grew up in Mormonism. Mormons are VERY obsessed with the idea that Jesus blesses the rich, when in fact Jesus said that a rich man shall never get into heaven. I am high functioning autistic (Asperger Syndrome) and my social faux pas'es were ruthlessly mocked by the other kids and even by some adults. All they wanted was oneupmanship on each other. I quit at the age of 12 and went in search of a church, then a religion, that lived up to its ideals. I came up empty-just endless preaching of intolerance and dumbed down sheep robotically repeating the hate that spewed forth from the leaders. Then I became an atheist, and suddenly I became a prime target for every half wit conversion attempt in existence. I've heard it all, from instant faith healing of my problems to the ignorant blather of missionaries trying to sound loving while thinking "raw meat" in the backs of their minds. At least the Mormons send their missionaries out at age 19 so they don't have a chance to get jaded-those freshly scrubbed potato brains from Idaho really DO believe, they really ARE sincere, and they try their damnedest. Each missionary converts, on average, one person every six months out of a total two year assignment. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Looks to me like you are accident prone.I have been driving since 1957
and I have never been involved in any auto accidents at all.My oldest car is a 1914 Ford T model and my newest car is a 1986 Ford car.I sure wouldn't ever want to ride with you!!!,,, accident prone dude! cuhulin |
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... "People mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss." Francis Bacon "When someone is saved from certain death by a strange concatenation of circumstances, they say that's a miracle. But of course if someone is killed by a freak chain of events -- the oil spilled just there, the safety fence broke just there -- that must also be a miracle. Just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's not miraculous." Terry Pratchett ;) |
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Buzzygirl wrote:
Heh, reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw not long ago: "I don't have a problem with God-- it's his fan club I can't stand!" My favorite bumper sticker I saw on a car was: "My boss is a Jewish carpenter!" -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"Les" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: America does not have any official Holidays. cuhulin Once again, the king of morons misspeaks. There are 10 "Official" Federal Holidays: 1. New Years Day 2. Martin Luther King Day 3. Presidents day 4. Memorial Day 5. Independence Day 6. Labor Day 7. Columbus Day 8. Veterans Day 9. Thanksgiving 10. Christmas Seems pretty "official" to me. Quick, how many of these do you actually get off at work?? In previous jobs, I got 2 (retail job), 6 (plus a floating holiday to compensate for both MLK and Presidents Day), and I now get 8 off. I've discovered that with the exception of retail jobs, the larger the company, the more your off days correspond with the official holidays. --Mike L. |
I have an old STANDARD book here somewhere.(yes,I bought it at a
Goodwill thrift store too,years ago.That store used to sell books on Friday's for twenty five cents,each and every book) The book dates back to 1929.Somewhere in that book,it says America does not have any official Holidays.So,have things changed (concerning American Holidays) since 1929? I only quoted a sentence in the book. cuhulin |
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
Another church contacted me about a new sound system, then told me I could have the job if I joined their church. How nice. Not! I have a friend who has one of the strongest personal faiths I've witnessed, and one of his favorite phrases goes something like, "Forced religion is un-Christian." I made one round trip from Ohio, and a second run to Florida in a truck people didn't believe would make the city limits. I resemble that remark (seriously). Had to drive from Fort Jackson, South Carolina (Columbia, South Carolina area) all the way to Fargo, North Dakota to help a friend many moons ago, in a clapped-out old 1979 Chevy Chevette Scooter (Yup, AM radio, 3 speed on the floor) that had almost 300,000 miles on it. That was a very, um, *nervous* trip. There are a lot of other things like this that have happened, including walking way from a totaled seven month old '83 Toyota pickup when a woman hit me head on in my lane on the highway and the cop's amazed expression when I told him I was the driver, and Yes, I wasn't dead. And some people think it's all a matter of coincidence. Not me! (read my sig line, heh). 73, Steve -- Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota Every moment of a human life is an act of worship. Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. |
"running dogg" wrote:
Nearly everything they believe is in direct contradiction to what Jesus taught. I wonder if they even bother to read those Bibles they carry all the time, or if their Christian theological knowledge is based on sermons by their local fire breathing TV ready preacher. I'm going to guess the latter is true. Some folks don't see the forest for the trees. Jesus called them "Pharisees," and pointed out that, when you really get down to it, there are only two rules, and they both begin with the word "love." I've collided with stridency again and again. You're certainly entitled to deride, mock, and scorn whomever you will. I don't necessarily think we face a danger of theocracy, but there are times when I wonder if there are enough reasonable people with the ability to engage in critical thinking left to preserve freedom. There is much cheerleading, and I think we're missing the forest, so to speak. But I doubt that stridency wins the hearts and minds of many. 73, Steve -- Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota Every moment of a human life is an act of worship. Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. |
"running dogg" wrote:
Yes, there are a number of atheists who are angry at God for whatever reason (strange, since God doesn't exist) and bash everybody of faith relentlessly. This particular atheist believes that there are good people of every faith, and that faith per se is not bad. But when believers want to point a gun at my head and tell me what to believe, or want to overthrow the US Constitution and replace it with a Christian version of Iran, I'm gonna get mad. I'm a tolerant guy, but don't touch my rights under the First Amendment or attempt to overthrow the Constitution. Well, I know for a fact that there are many folks who call themselves "Christians" who would gladly attempt to subvert the Constitution in an attempt to assert their version of a theocracy. *However*, for every one of those, there are thousands and thousands who love our Constitutional Republic, who feel that our rights are given by God and guaranteed by the Constitution, and who would gladly defend our Constitution. If a "believer" wants to point a gun at your head, that's assault. In such a situation, it's probably best to be pointing something back. (2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights, and all of that). Problem solved. I grew up in Mormonism. Mormons are VERY obsessed with the idea that Jesus blesses the rich, when in fact Jesus said that a rich man shall never get into heaven. I am high functioning autistic (Asperger Syndrome) and my social faux pas'es were ruthlessly mocked by the other kids and even by some adults. All they wanted was oneupmanship on each other. I quit at the age of 12 and went in search of a church, then a religion, that lived up to its ideals. I came up empty-just endless preaching of intolerance and dumbed down sheep robotically repeating the hate that spewed forth from the leaders. Then I became an atheist, and suddenly I became a prime target for every half wit conversion attempt in existence. For what it's worth, there are MILLIONS of people who've been down that very same road you're walking, and I can't fault you for throwing in the towel. I won't try to convert you (hell, this is rec.radio.shortwave), but I can say truthfully that it looks like God didn't fail, humanity did. It's a story as old as humanity, sadly. I've heard it all, from instant faith healing of my problems to the ignorant blather of missionaries trying to sound loving while thinking "raw meat" in the backs of their minds. No, the REAL way to fix it is to handle snakes! Well, either that, or come on down to the "compound." Profit Stair will gladly help you. At least the Mormons send their missionaries out at age 19 so they don't have a chance to get jaded-those freshly scrubbed potato brains from Idaho really DO believe, they really ARE sincere, and they try their damnedest. Each missionary converts, on average, one person every six months out of a total two year assignment. I've got a tremendous amount of respect for Mormons. I've met dozens and everyone of them seemed decent, and were full of good will. I've talked about religion and politics with them, and they seemed to have sound judgment. I disagree with them doctrinally, but I like their live-and- let-live attitude. 73, Steve |
"Buzzygirl" wrote in message
... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... It was the actions of a number of so called Christians that kept me out of church for 35 years. What they did and said, and the way they treated people made me sick. Heh, reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw not long ago: "I don't have a problem with God-- it's his fan club I can't stand!" Jackie Another one that makes me chuckle goes something along the lines of, "Dear Lord: Please protect me from your followers. Thanks." 73, Steve -- Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota Every moment of a human life is an act of worship. Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. |
Not sure if a Dutch Pope will go down well though.hes not Italian like John
Paul. he hates gays though, so hes not all bad! cuhulin wrote in message ... Robert Osborne is a movie narator at TCM on tv. (Turner Classic Movies) One night after I had finished watching The Boat movie on TCM,Robert Osborne said Kurt Jergens (Kurt Jergens played the part of the German Captain on the German Submarine in that movie,I saw the movie when it first came out many years before the movie came on tv ,Robert Mitchum played the part of the American Captain on the American U.S.Navy Ship) sat out World War Two in a German prison because Kurt Jergens disgreed with hitler's policies.Whenever The Boat movie is on tv and those dudes are sitting around in the German Submarine and reading books and magazines and comic books (one of the books is Mein Kampf) and Kurt Jergens is gazing around at them with that smirk on his mug,I always find that amusing.Do I like the new Pope? I don't know yet,time will tell. cuhulin |
Michael Lawson wrote: "Les" wrote in message ups.com... wrote: America does not have any official Holidays. cuhulin Once again, the king of morons misspeaks. There are 10 "Official" Federal Holidays: 1. New Years Day 2. Martin Luther King Day 3. Presidents day 4. Memorial Day 5. Independence Day 6. Labor Day 7. Columbus Day 8. Veterans Day 9. Thanksgiving 10. Christmas Seems pretty "official" to me. Quick, how many of these do you actually get off at work?? In previous jobs, I got 2 (retail job), 6 (plus a floating holiday to compensate for both MLK and Presidents Day), and I now get 8 off. I've discovered that with the exception of retail jobs, the larger the company, the more your off days correspond with the official holidays. --Mike L. The only time I get a holiday off is if it falls on my days off. And, I work for the Federal Government. I work from 4 pm to midnight, typically end up with 12 hrs. overtime every two weeks, work sundays too. Les |
I've got a tremendous amount of respect for Mormons. I've met dozens
and everyone of them seemed decent, and were full of good will. I've talked about religion and politics with them, and they seemed to have sound judgment. I disagree with them doctrinally, but I like their live-and-let-live attitude. 73, Steve Steve, this is the first I've heard of this kindly attitude. I've got horror stories from more than one former Mormon who were persecuted for what, in the greater world, would be considered nonissues. In a most egregious case, I have a friend who was accused of being gay and drug-addicted, and she was excommunicated by the church (with a great deal of abuse and trumped up scandal) after disagreeing with her husband about an issue related their children's schooling. Her husband, being the fine Mormon that he is, got the church in on it, and in the course of events she lost her job, was divorced and received no alimony, and essentially had to leave Utah in order to begin again. She is now married to another much kinder non-Mormon, her children from her former marriage are happy to visit often because they understand the crap she had to go through, and she has started a modestly successful telescope-making business. If this is a Mormon's idea of "Live-and-let-live", then I'll be dipped in ****, rolled in peanuts, and sold as a Baby Ruth bar. Bruce Jensen |
bpnjensen wrote: I've got a tremendous amount of respect for Mormons. I've met dozens and everyone of them seemed decent, and were full of good will. I've talked about religion and politics with them, and they seemed to have sound judgment. I disagree with them doctrinally, but I like their live-and-let-live attitude. 73, Steve Steve, this is the first I've heard of this kindly attitude. I've got horror stories from more than one former Mormon who were persecuted for what, in the greater world, would be considered nonissues. In a most egregious case, I have a friend who was accused of being gay and drug-addicted, and she was excommunicated by the church (with a great deal of abuse and trumped up scandal) after disagreeing with her husband about an issue related their children's schooling. Her husband, being the fine Mormon that he is, got the church in on it, and in the course of events she lost her job, was divorced and received no alimony, and essentially had to leave Utah in order to begin again. She is now married to another much kinder non-Mormon, her children from her former marriage are happy to visit often because they understand the crap she had to go through, and she has started a modestly successful telescope-making business. If this is a Mormon's idea of "Live-and-let-live", then I'll be dipped in ****, rolled in peanuts, and sold as a Baby Ruth bar. A fantasy of yours? dxAce Michigan USA |
I spent two weeks at Fort Jackson,South Carolina in 1962.Some of us
dudes were in a holding pattern there,waiting on a spot at Fort Gordon,Georgia (Company D 5 2,Delta Company 5th Battalion,2nd Regiment) to finish up so us dudes could go there and begin our Basic Training,(Boot Camp) U.S.Army.That woman in the Day Room at Fort Jackson told me to Please turn your radio down,you are drowning out the Piano! The entire City of Columbia,South Carolina is within the boundary of Fort Jackson. cuhulin |
In limeyland,they have what they call a Bank Holiday and lots of folks
over there take off for Bank Holiday. cuhulin |
I don't know any gays,I don't ever want to know any gays either.I will
NOT!!!!!!!! associate with any gays at all!!!!!!,Period!!!!!!! I HATE!!!!! gays.gays are ALL a bunch of SICKOS!!!!! All of the folks I know are straight. cuhulin |
wrote: In limeyland,they have what they call a Bank Holiday and lots of folks over there take off for Bank Holiday. cuhulin I'm sure there are holidays in Mongolia, Thailand and many other countries too. The subject was "official holidays" in America. Or, are you so brain dead you forgot the topic? If their is a "Confederacy of Dunces," you are the General! Les Locklear Monitoring since ' 57 Located on the Gulf of Mexico Bendix R-1015B/URR Hammarlund R-274C/FRR (SP-600JX-14) Ten Tec RX-340 RF Systems MLB - MK2 Quantum QX Loop CU-2279/BRC Multicoupler http://www.hammarlund.info/homepage.html |
A fantasy of yours?
dxAce Michigan USA What can I say? We all have our dirty li'l secrets, no? Bruce Jensen |
I don't know any gays,I don't ever want to know any gays either.I
will NOT!!!!!!!! associate with any gays at all!!!!!!,Period!!!!!!! I HATE!!!!! gays.gays are ALL a bunch of SICKOS!!!!! All of the folks I know are straight. cuhulin You might be surprised. If you know 100 people (and you probably do), there is a at least fighting chance that 5 of them are gay. I know lots of gays (here near San Francisco they tend not to cover it up so much), and there are probably a slew that I know but of whose sexual habits I am unaware. None of them - not one - behave the silly way you see them portrayed on TV. From all outward appearances, they seem to regular average humans going about their business. Further, I know a number of people who have a trait or two of the "typical" gay characteristic, such as slight tendencies to behave like the opposite sex, and are not gay at all. My point is, it's hard to tell. You just never know. Bruce Jensen |
Les wrote:
The only time I get a holiday off is if it falls on my days off. And, I work for the Federal Government. I work from 4 pm to midnight, typically end up with 12 hrs. overtime every two weeks, work sundays too. One year when I was working in CATV I worked double shifts on Christmas day and New years day. I was paid double time for the first eight hours and double and a half for the second eight hours so I made almost a weeks pay in a single day. Unfortunately, I was working doubles seven days a week for seven months. It damn near killed me. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"bpnjensen" wrote:
Steve, this is the first I've heard of this kindly attitude. I've got horror stories from more than one former Mormon who were persecuted for what, in the greater world, would be considered nonissues. In a most egregious case, I have a friend who was accused of being gay and drug-addicted, and she was excommunicated by the church (with a great deal of abuse and trumped up scandal) after disagreeing with her husband about an issue related their children's schooling. Her husband, being the fine Mormon that he is, got the church in on it, and in the course of events she lost her job, was divorced and received no alimony, and essentially had to leave Utah in order to begin again. She is now married to another much kinder non-Mormon, her children from her former marriage are happy to visit often because they understand the crap she had to go through, and she has started a modestly successful telescope-making business. If this is a Mormon's idea of "Live-and-let-live", then I'll be dipped in ****, rolled in peanuts, and sold as a Baby Ruth bar. Bruce Jensen Yeah, that would definitely void the rubric of "Live and let live." Pretty incredible stuff -- I have a friend who lived in Utah for awhile, and he said there's a caste system for Mormons vs. non-Mormons. Believe it or not, Omaha is a significant Midwest center for the Mormons, and they seemed like decent folks to me. Of course, it's all anecdotal and empirical. You never know with the human species; there could be a "prime ****ter" around every corner (and there often is). I still think of that as a human problem, not a religious one. I think religion can be abused in the same way that politics or psychiatry can be abused. Man is wolf to man...sometimes. 73, Steve -- Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota Every moment of a human life is an act of worship. Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. |
"Les" wrote:
I'm sure there are holidays in Mongolia, Thailand and many other countries too. The subject was "official holidays" in America. Or, are you so brain dead you forgot the topic? M-O-O-N, laws yes! That spells antenna! Tom Cullins said so! If their is a "Confederacy of Dunces," you are the General! "Confederacy of Dunces" is one of the most hilarious books I've read in my life. I cannot read it, because I STILL laugh to the point of tears, every time I do so. 'Scuse me, I've got to go jump up and down awhile. It's my pyloric valve, and all of that. 73, Steve -- Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota Every moment of a human life is an act of worship. Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. |
Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote: "Les" wrote: I'm sure there are holidays in Mongolia, Thailand and many other countries too. The subject was "official holidays" in America. Or, are you so brain dead you forgot the topic? M-O-O-N, laws yes! That spells antenna! Tom Cullins said so! If their is a "Confederacy of Dunces," you are the General! "Confederacy of Dunces" is one of the most hilarious books I've read in my life. I cannot read it, because I STILL laugh to the point of tears, every time I do so. 'Scuse me, I've got to go jump up and down awhile. It's my pyloric valve, and all of that. 73, Steve -- Steve Lawrence Burnsville, Minnesota Every moment of a human life is an act of worship. Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. It was a damn funny book, a classic for certain. Actually what I had meant to say to CooKoolin, was that in a "Confederancy of Dunces" he would surely be General Robert E. Lee. Les |
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