Way Bigger Threat to America Than Al Quaeda
 

April 20, 2005
They Mean It
This is so important and scary that I'm going to just steal some of it
from Lambert at corrente as well as send you there for the rest.

Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy
responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ – to have dominion
in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and
godliness. But it is dominion that we are after. Not just a voice. It
is dominion we are afier. Not just influence. It is dominion we are
after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after.

World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish.
We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never
settle for anything less. If Jesus Christ is indeed Lord, as the Bible
says, and if our commission is to bring the land into subjection to
His Lordship, as the Bible says, then all our activities, all our
witnessing, all our preaching, all our craftsmanship, all our
stewardship, and all our political action will aim at nothing short of
that sacred purpose. Thus, Christian politics has as its primary
intent the conquest of the land — of men, families, institutions,
bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ. It
is to reinstitute the authority of God’s Word as supreme over all
judgments, over all legislation, over all declarations, constitutions,
and confederations. True Christian political action seeks to rein the
passions of men and curb the pattern of digression under God’s rule.
Fortunately, because of the theocratic orientation of our founding
fathers, our nation has virtually all the apparatus extant to
implement such a reclamation. Unfortunately, the enemies of the Gospel
have hand-in-hand eroded the strength of those godly foundations.
Thus, we stand at the crossroads.

That above passage can be found in The Changing of the Guard; Biblical
Blueprints for Political Action, by George Grant. Published by
Dominion Press of Fort Worth, Texas; copyright 1987. Grant is a former
Executive Director of Coral Ridge Ministries.

You can read that passage, and many others, he (see book pages
50-51 - online pages 81-82) The Changing of the Guard.


A more recent post is here and a related post is here. Meanwhile
Lambert is sending people here for mo

Americans have long been in denial that there is a movement in the
U.S. that seeks to impose a Christian theocratic government; that
there is a movement that is effectively using the tools of
constitutional democracy, (also known as elections) to end
constitutional democracy as we know it; that this movement is growing
in number and power. It can't happen here, we reassure ourselves.
Americans won't let it happen. But in fact, we are closer now than we
have ever been, to "it" happening here.
These people mean it. America is an experiment. Democracy is an
experiment. American democracy has not been around very long, and we
have never been so perilously close to losing it. All the checks and
balances have been removed by allies of these people. They mean it.
The leader of the Senate is saying that Democrats hate "people of
faith." They mean it. Time magazine puts on their cover a person who
calls for murdering us. They mean it. A Supreme Court Justice declares
that rulers should be chosen by God, not the people. They mean it. The
Vice President is the keynote speaker at a conference where other
speakers called for "a new McCarthyism" to bring "terror" to
intellectuals, saying "let's oppress them [liberals]," and that "the
entire Harvard faculty" are "traitors." They mean it. They mean it.

Watch your backs. I mean it.

Posted by Dave Johnson

http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archi...ey_mean_it.htm

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for paranoia.

Off your meds yet again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The Republican party is run by these ready for the rapture nutcases.
Just look at
http://www.frcaction.org/
Corporate criminal turned senator Bill Frist will address the "nuke 'em
in the name of Jesus" crowd.

It is a shame that those Christians who deem the rapture-right not to
be in the mainstream of their religion do absolutely nothing about
these zealots. These so-called mainstream Christians have blood on
their hands for failing to stop the rapture-right, and in fact enabling
these nuts to gain more power by their so-called "values voting."

Who would Jesus bomb?

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:35:42 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for paranoia.

Off your meds yet again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I realize it must be difficult dealing with undiagnosed dementia, but
please stop ****ing-up every goddam thread with your mindless mental
spitwads.

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at
worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution
encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes,
we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I
refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Considering that the US is more secular and more tolerant
now than at any time in the past, I'd say you hit the nail on
the head.

--Mike L.

bill frist is proabortion and a gun grabber!
I am fixin to make my usual afternoon trip over to the Goodwill thrift
store now and flirt with them wimmins over there.
cuhulin

David wrote:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:35:42 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for paranoia.

Off your meds yet again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I realize it must be difficult dealing with undiagnosed dementia, but
please stop ****ing-up every goddam thread with your mindless mental
spitwads.

Awwwwwww... poor little 'tard boy, I realize it must be difficult dealing with
undiagnosed paranoia, but please stop ****ing-up this newsgroup with your
mindless mental spitwads.

Go take your meds.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:04:30 -0400, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:


"bpnjensen" wrote in message
roups.com...
Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at
worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution
encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes,
we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I
refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Considering that the US is more secular and more tolerant
now than at any time in the past, I'd say you hit the nail on
the head.

--Mike L.

"David" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:35:42 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for paranoia.

Off your meds yet again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I realize it must be difficult dealing with undiagnosed dementia, but
please stop ****ing-up every goddam thread with your mindless mental
spitwads.





This is what I mean. This world and NG would be a better place if dxass
wasn't on it. He interjects his moronic comments in almost every thread.
That's because he sits on his big fat ass all day and night watching and
looking for any "action" in this NG LOL...What a pathetic POS.

BTW, put him on ignore and he's gone...

Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:35:42 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for paranoia.

Off your meds yet again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I realize it must be difficult dealing with undiagnosed dementia, but
please stop ****ing-up every goddam thread with your mindless mental
spitwads.





This is what I mean. This world and NG would be a better place if dxass
wasn't on it. He interjects his moronic comments in almost every thread.
That's because he sits on his big fat ass all day and night watching and
looking for any "action" in this NG LOL...What a pathetic POS.

BTW, put him on ignore and he's gone...

No... I'll still be here. I'll only be gone in your little mind.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

This is what I mean. This world and NG would be a better place if dxass
wasn't on it. He interjects his moronic comments in almost every thread.
That's because he sits on his big fat ass all day and night watching and
looking for any "action" in this NG LOL...What a pathetic POS.

BTW, put him on ignore and he's gone...

Lucky


It may be time to upgrade from Free Agent to the paid version...

David wrote:


This is what I mean. This world and NG would be a better place if dxass
wasn't on it. He interjects his moronic comments in almost every thread.
That's because he sits on his big fat ass all day and night watching and
looking for any "action" in this NG LOL...What a pathetic POS.

BTW, put him on ignore and he's gone...

Lucky


It may be time to upgrade from Free Agent to the paid version...

Pay for your meds first!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Michael Lawson wrote:


"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at
worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution
encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes,
we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I
refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Considering that the US is more secular and more tolerant
now than at any time in the past, I'd say you hit the nail on
the head.

That's not the problem. The Christian fundie zealots are planning to
seize power WITHOUT the consent of the general public. Most revolutions
have had the support, either active or passive, of at least a plurality
of the population. You need only look around you to see that rabid
Christian zealots are not the norm, yet the small portion of the
population who are rabid zealots want to use the mechanisms of democracy
to seize power and then force their narrow interpretation of Biblical
law on the rest of us without our consent. They want nothing less than a
Christian Iran, with preachers and other self proclaimed "men of God" in
power who will not be subject to anybody but God. Seeing that God isn't
around to tell them what to do, they're free to go hog wild and make up
their own version of Biblical law, then force it on an unwilling public.


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"David" wrote in message
...
On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes, we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

What ever you say Alex.

"David" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:35:42 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



David wrote:

On 22 Apr 2005 10:15:09 -0700, "bpnjensen"
wrote:

Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution
encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes,
we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Bruce Jensen

These are not just religious crackpots. They are an organized
conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional republic of the United
States and institute Biblical law. They are very real.

If the threat is real it ain't paranoia.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

You are rapidly becoming the poster boy for paranoia.

Off your meds yet again?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I realize it must be difficult dealing with undiagnosed dementia, but
please stop ****ing-up every goddam thread with your mindless mental
spitwads.

Speaking of mindless mental spitwads, you started this thread you mental
midget.

running dogg wrote:

Michael Lawson wrote:


"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at
worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution
encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes,
we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I
refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Considering that the US is more secular and more tolerant
now than at any time in the past, I'd say you hit the nail on
the head.

That's not the problem. The Christian fundie zealots are planning to
seize power WITHOUT the consent of the general public. Most revolutions
have had the support, either active or passive, of at least a plurality
of the population. You need only look around you to see that rabid
Christian zealots are not the norm, yet the small portion of the
population who are rabid zealots want to use the mechanisms of democracy
to seize power and then force their narrow interpretation of Biblical
law on the rest of us without our consent. They want nothing less than a
Christian Iran, with preachers and other self proclaimed "men of God" in
power who will not be subject to anybody but God. Seeing that God isn't
around to tell them what to do, they're free to go hog wild and make up
their own version of Biblical law, then force it on an unwilling public.

Sheesh... you are one screwed up 'tard boy.

Please, continue to tote.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"David" wrote in message
...


This is what I mean. This world and NG would be a better place if dxass
wasn't on it. He interjects his moronic comments in almost every thread.
That's because he sits on his big fat ass all day and night watching and
looking for any "action" in this NG LOL...What a pathetic POS.

BTW, put him on ignore and he's gone...

Lucky


It may be time to upgrade from Free Agent to the paid version...

A liberal actually pay for something?

"David" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:04:30 -0400, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:


"bpnjensen" wrote in message
roups.com...
Let's be absolutely clear - this does not mean all Christians. The
majority of Christians in the US believe in gentle persuasion at
worst
and a true live-and-let-live attitude (as the Constitution
encourages),
as long as their own beliefs are not used against them.

There are crackpots in every religion. They are not the norm. Yes,
we
need to be cautious, but no, we do not need to be paranoid. I
refuse
to be worried to distraction by any group.

Considering that the US is more secular and more tolerant
now than at any time in the past, I'd say you hit the nail on
the head.

--Mike L.

Cat got your tongue David? Or are you still digesting the truth.

"David" wrote in message
...
I realize it must be difficult dealing with undiagnosed dementia, but
please stop ****ing-up every goddam thread with your mindless mental
spitwads.

This major BoZo is a college student. At Stanford no less!
This country is doomed.

Li-Changchun wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
I realize it must be difficult dealing with undiagnosed dementia, but
please stop ****ing-up every goddam thread with your mindless mental
spitwads.

This major BoZo is a college student. At Stanford no less!
This country is doomed.

Are you sure he's not a professor?


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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:31:10 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .


This is what I mean. This world and NG would be a better place if dxass
wasn't on it. He interjects his moronic comments in almost every thread.
That's because he sits on his big fat ass all day and night watching and
looking for any "action" in this NG LOL...What a pathetic POS.

BTW, put him on ignore and he's gone...

Lucky


It may be time to upgrade from Free Agent to the paid version...

A liberal actually pay for something?
I'm a Goldwater Conservative, Asshole.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:27:36 -0700, running dogg wrote:


That's not the problem. The Christian fundie zealots are planning to
seize power WITHOUT the consent of the general public. Most revolutions
have had the support, either active or passive, of at least a plurality
of the population. You need only look around you to see that rabid
Christian zealots are not the norm, yet the small portion of the
population who are rabid zealots want to use the mechanisms of democracy
to seize power and then force their narrow interpretation of Biblical
law on the rest of us without our consent. They want nothing less than a
Christian Iran, with preachers and other self proclaimed "men of God" in
power who will not be subject to anybody but God. Seeing that God isn't
around to tell them what to do, they're free to go hog wild and make up
their own version of Biblical law, then force it on an unwilling public.


I see absolutely no difference between FRC and Focus on the Family and
the Taliban or the Saudi Religious Police. None.

They should shut up or die.

David wrote:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:31:10 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .


This is what I mean. This world and NG would be a better place if dxass
wasn't on it. He interjects his moronic comments in almost every thread.
That's because he sits on his big fat ass all day and night watching and
looking for any "action" in this NG LOL...What a pathetic POS.

BTW, put him on ignore and he's gone...

Lucky


It may be time to upgrade from Free Agent to the paid version...

A liberal actually pay for something?
I'm a Goldwater Conservative, Asshole.

No, you're just a misguided 'tard boy. Nothing more, nothing less!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David wrote:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:27:36 -0700, running dogg wrote:

That's not the problem. The Christian fundie zealots are planning to
seize power WITHOUT the consent of the general public. Most revolutions
have had the support, either active or passive, of at least a plurality
of the population. You need only look around you to see that rabid
Christian zealots are not the norm, yet the small portion of the
population who are rabid zealots want to use the mechanisms of democracy
to seize power and then force their narrow interpretation of Biblical
law on the rest of us without our consent. They want nothing less than a
Christian Iran, with preachers and other self proclaimed "men of God" in
power who will not be subject to anybody but God. Seeing that God isn't
around to tell them what to do, they're free to go hog wild and make up
their own version of Biblical law, then force it on an unwilling public.


I see absolutely no difference between FRC and Focus on the Family and
the Taliban or the Saudi Religious Police. None.

They should shut up or die.

Might you consider the same, 'tard?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

There is a big difference between the FRC/FOTF and the Taliban. The US
gave the Taliban multi-millions of dollars, while the FRC and FOTF just
get big tax write-offs. Also, the US took care of the Taliban problem
to some degree, but tolerates and in fact encourages hate groups like
the FRC and FOTF.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:48:30 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:

No your not, Asshole.


Ahh. Are you from the People's Identity Bureau?

"MnMikew" wrote in message
...

Well said Bruce.


"Normal" citizens (not David) will vote for a liar with religion (Bush) over
an evil liar with Socialism (Kerry) every time.

It isn't about religion. It is about the motive of the liar.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:38:03 -0500, "Li-Changchun"
wrote:


"MnMikew" wrote in message
...

Well said Bruce.


"Normal" citizens (not David) will vote for a liar with religion (Bush) over
an evil liar with Socialism (Kerry) every time.

It isn't about religion. It is about the motive of the liar.

Good grief! You are still fighting the Cold War. I'd much rather
fight WWII over again.

''"No people ever recognize their dictator in advance. He never stands
for election on the platform of dictatorship. He always represents
himself as the instrument [of] the Incorporated National Will. ...
When our dictator turns up you can depend on it that he will be one of
the boys, and he will stand for everything traditionally American. And
nobody will ever say 'Heil' to him, nor will they call him 'Fuhrer' or
'Duce.' But they will greet him with one great big, universal,
democratic, sheeplike bleat of 'O.K., Chief! Fix it like you wanna,
Chief! Oh Kaaaay!'" -- Dorothy Thompson, 1935
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little
by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions
deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so
complicated that the government had to act on information which the
people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people
could understand it, it could not be released because of national
security...". -- They Thought They Were Free, Milton Mayer, 1955

"Whoooo could imagine, that they would freak out, in Kansas, Kansas,
badoobie-doobie-do, Kansas, Kansas..." -- Help I'm A Rock, The Mothers
of Invention, 1966

"... STOP groups like the ACLU from removing all mentions of Christmas
from the public square!" -- Christian Response e-Alert, December 2004

On November 7, 1938, Herschel Grynszpan, a 17-year-old Polish Jew,
assassinated Ernst von Rath, a low-ranking German official, at his
embassy in Paris. Two days later, Kristallnacht ("Night of Crystal"),
a pogrom that destroyed synagogues, Jewish-owned homes, stores and
community centers, commenced.

Kristalnacht was incited by a well-organized "intense campaign against
Jews [which] began on German National Radio," Milton Mayer wrote in
his 1955 book They Thought They Were Free. Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the
Nazi regime's Propaganda Minister, directed the campaign that appeared
to move ordinary Germans to action against Jews: Are the German people
going to be "sitting ducks all over the world for Jew murderers?" the
radio voice challenged. "Are the German people to stand helpless while
the Fuhrer's representatives are shot down by the Jew swine? Are the
Schweinehunde to get off scott free? Is the wrath of the German People
against the Israelite scum to be restrained any longer?"

Ten years after World War II, Milton Mayer went to Germany, where he
spent a year searching to find out how ordinary Germans -- not Nazi
Party leaders -- seamlessly and somewhat comfortably accepted and
embraced fascism.

In a television interview in 1986 -- nearly fifty years after
Kristalnacht -- Frank Zappa, a rock musician and free speech advocate,
warned that America itself was headed "toward a fascist theocracy."

Only a few months ago, right wing Christian fundamentalists were
claiming that Christmas -- and therefore Christians -- was under
attack. They vowed that they were not going to take it any more.

Milton Mayer's year-long pilgrimage to Germany and his conversation
with "ordinary Germans, Frank Zappa's warning on CNN's Crossfire and
the Christian right's campaign against church/state separationists
makes for an unusual trifecta. Yet these disparate threads of the past
and present represent clear trends in America's political landscape as
George W. Bush settles in to his second term. ''

http://carapace.weblogs.us/archives/027193.html

The Cold War never ended,it only simmered down a little bit.It is back
on again.Russia is one of our Worst Enemies.General George Patton was
Right.
cuhulin

"David" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:48:30 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:

No your not, Asshole.


Ahh. Are you from the People's Identity Bureau?

Yes, and you're busted. Now drop and give us 20.

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:07:56 -0500, wrote:

The Cold War never ended,it only simmered down a little bit.It is back
on again.Russia is one of our Worst Enemies.General George Patton was
Right.
cuhulin

If only you were right...

"David" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:07:56 -0500, wrote:

The Cold War never ended,it only simmered down a little bit.It is back
on again.Russia is one of our Worst Enemies.General George Patton was
Right.
cuhulin

If only you were right...

What makes you think he's wrong?

The Cold War never ended,it only simmered down a little bit.It is
back
on again.Russia is one of our Worst Enemies.General George Patton
was
Right.
cuhulin


If only you were right...

What makes you think he's wrong?

Unfortunately, unless it is just posturing, it sounds like Putin is
acting subtly hostile. Too bad - it seems that, given the right
circumstances, Russia has the ability now to become a self-sustaining
nation with a good standard of living, without acting overtly obnoxious
toward others.

This ignores the possibility that our leadership did something to make
them angry or nervous, of course. We would never do a thing like that.

Bruce Jensen

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:59:49 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:


"David" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:07:56 -0500, wrote:

The Cold War never ended,it only simmered down a little bit.It is back
on again.Russia is one of our Worst Enemies.General George Patton was
Right.
cuhulin

If only you were right...

What makes you think he's wrong?

If it's still on, China has already won.

"History has already proven that when hostile forces want to create disorder
in a society and subvert a political power, they often first make a
breakthrough with ideology and start by confusing people's thinking."

- China's President Hu

"David" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:38:03 -0500, "Li-Changchun"
wrote:


"MnMikew" wrote in message
...

Well said Bruce.


"Normal" citizens (not David) will vote for a liar with religion (Bush)
over
an evil liar with Socialism (Kerry) every time.

It isn't about religion. It is about the motive of the liar.

Good grief! You are still fighting the Cold War. I'd much rather
fight WWII over again.

''"No people ever recognize their dictator in advance. He never stands
for election on the platform of dictatorship. He always represents
himself as the instrument [of] the Incorporated National Will. ...
When our dictator turns up you can depend on it that he will be one of
the boys, and he will stand for everything traditionally American. And
nobody will ever say 'Heil' to him, nor will they call him 'Fuhrer' or
'Duce.' But they will greet him with one great big, universal,
democratic, sheeplike bleat of 'O.K., Chief! Fix it like you wanna,
Chief! Oh Kaaaay!'" -- Dorothy Thompson, 1935
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little
by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions
deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so
complicated that the government had to act on information which the
people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people
could understand it, it could not be released because of national
security...". -- They Thought They Were Free, Milton Mayer, 1955

"Whoooo could imagine, that they would freak out, in Kansas, Kansas,
badoobie-doobie-do, Kansas, Kansas..." -- Help I'm A Rock, The Mothers
of Invention, 1966

"... STOP groups like the ACLU from removing all mentions of Christmas
from the public square!" -- Christian Response e-Alert, December 2004

On November 7, 1938, Herschel Grynszpan, a 17-year-old Polish Jew,
assassinated Ernst von Rath, a low-ranking German official, at his
embassy in Paris. Two days later, Kristallnacht ("Night of Crystal"),
a pogrom that destroyed synagogues, Jewish-owned homes, stores and
community centers, commenced.

Kristalnacht was incited by a well-organized "intense campaign against
Jews [which] began on German National Radio," Milton Mayer wrote in
his 1955 book They Thought They Were Free. Dr. Joseph Goebbels, the
Nazi regime's Propaganda Minister, directed the campaign that appeared
to move ordinary Germans to action against Jews: Are the German people
going to be "sitting ducks all over the world for Jew murderers?" the
radio voice challenged. "Are the German people to stand helpless while
the Fuhrer's representatives are shot down by the Jew swine? Are the
Schweinehunde to get off scott free? Is the wrath of the German People
against the Israelite scum to be restrained any longer?"

Ten years after World War II, Milton Mayer went to Germany, where he
spent a year searching to find out how ordinary Germans -- not Nazi
Party leaders -- seamlessly and somewhat comfortably accepted and
embraced fascism.

In a television interview in 1986 -- nearly fifty years after
Kristalnacht -- Frank Zappa, a rock musician and free speech advocate,
warned that America itself was headed "toward a fascist theocracy."

Only a few months ago, right wing Christian fundamentalists were
claiming that Christmas -- and therefore Christians -- was under
attack. They vowed that they were not going to take it any more.

Milton Mayer's year-long pilgrimage to Germany and his conversation
with "ordinary Germans, Frank Zappa's warning on CNN's Crossfire and
the Christian right's campaign against church/state separationists
makes for an unusual trifecta. Yet these disparate threads of the past
and present represent clear trends in America's political landscape as
George W. Bush settles in to his second term. ''

http://carapace.weblogs.us/archives/027193.html