Although this might be a little off subject, the only connection is that had
it not been for shortwave radio, I would not have heard about what I'm going
to relate. As a Vietnam veteran, I wish all vets, be they from the Korean
war, or Vietnam would get off the bashing Jane Fonda thing and concentrate
on a much bigger problem that we have. The Allaince of Families website
tells of POW's that were left behind in both Korea and Vietnam. Actually,
it also has WWII and the Cold War too. Every vet should read the story of
Lt. Grlicka who was captured in 1965 and was interviewed on communist radio
and communist newpapers. When the POW's came home and Nixon said they were
all back, Lt. Grlicka was not amoung them. His wife has evidence that his
was alive as late as 1990 and she tells how the US government has stalled in
releasing any imformation about him. Do you know that of all the POW's
released in 1973, none had burns or missing arms or legs? In Korea two
prisoners were to be released and just before they were, the communists came
and took one off somewhere. He has never been heard from again. The other
POW was released. Why are vets so upset at J.Fonda for what she did when
their own government is stalling and hiding information? Yet we are now and
have in the past been helping the communist governments of the world with
aid. President Bush is suppose to have such a good relationship with Putin,
so why doesn't he ask about these POW's? Also, in 1983 Korean Flt. 007 was
supposedly shot down and all passengers were killed, including Congressman
Larry McDonald. Why have the bodies never been returned? Or if they are
alive, why have they not been returned? I care less about Ms. Fonda and her
past or even her present. Wasting time over what she is doing when all this
stuff is going on is just that, a waste of time. Thanks for reading this
long post. Ric.

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Cambodia or Laos.I hear tell The Moving Wall www.themovingwall.org
will be in Oxford,Mississippi this weekend.I think I will go there.

I've been, and I recommend it. There's a cemetery with a large military
section near my corner of the country; they call it "the Arlington of the
West". I'd been trying to teach my son some value lessons about vets,
service, etc. and one of the ways I decided to do it was to research one of
the guys buried at this place. I chose a Medal of Honor recipient, Lewis
Albanese, since that would make our research a lot easier (books here at
home, and the Internet) and quicker, thus driving the point(s) home while
things were still fresh in his mind. Not too long after that the Moving Wall
came to town and I took the family to get some rubbings of some special
names, including the one he'd been reading up on. While we were there, an
old school-mate of this guy's showed up and my son got to speak to someone
who actually knew him. Cool beyond words...even for someone as verbose as
myself.

Here's a tiny link to a neat website that has photos of the headstones of
MOH recipients.

http://tinyurl.com/89jdv

And here's a copy of his MOH citation for anyone that cares...and you sure
as **** ought to.

http://tinyurl.com/ab22n

"Ric Trexell" wrote in message
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Why have the bodies never been returned? Or if they are
alive, why have they not been returned? I care less about Ms. Fonda and
her
past or even her present. Wasting time over what she is doing when all
this
stuff is going on is just that, a waste of time.

Not a waste of time. It is the recording of history for your children.
Please read the following and click the links for part of the Left-wing
Socialist/Commie US history.

[PAY ATTENTION DAVID]

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...com/page2.html

In 1991, the United States Senate created the Senate Select Committee on
POW/MIA Affairs to examine the possibility that U.S. POW/MIAs might still be
held by the Vietnamese.

As chairman of the Select Committee, Kerry proved himself to be a masterful
chameleon portraying to the public at large what appeared to be an unbiased
approach to resolving the POW/MIA issue.

But, in reality, no one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury
the POW/MIA issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations
with Hanoi, than John Forbes Kerry.

In fact, his first act as chairman was to travel to Southeast Asia, where
during a stopover in Bangkok, Thailand, he lectured the U.S. Chamber of
Commerce there on the importance of lifting the trade embargo and
normalizing relations with Vietnam.

During the entire life of the Senate Select Committee, Kerry never missed a
chance to propagandize and distort the facts in favor of Hanoi. C. Stewart
Forbes, Chief Executive Officer of Colliers International (Kerry's cousin),
was awarded a contract worth billions designating Colliers International as
the exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam.

In December of 1992, not long after Kerry was quoted in the world press
stating "President Bush should reward Vietnam within a month for its
increased cooperation in accounting for American MIAs," Vietnam announced it
had granted Boston, Massachusetts based Colliers International, a contract
worth billions. Colliers International became exclusive real estate agent
representing Vietnam.

That deal alone put Colliers in a position to make tens of millions of
dollars on the rush to upgrade Vietnam's ports, railroads, highways,
government buildings, etc.

Sydney H. Schanberg, associate editor and columnist for New York Newsday and
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist veteran of the Indochina War whose book,
The Death and Life of Dith Pran, became the subject of the Academy
Award-winning film The Killing Fields, chronicled some of Kerry's more
blatant pro-Hanoi biases in several of his columns. In a Nov. 21, 1993
column, Schanberg wrote, "Highly credible information has been surfacing in
recent days which indicates that the headlines you have been reading about a
'breakthrough' in Hanoi's cooperation on the POW/MIA issue are part of a
carefully scripted performance. The apparent purpose is to move toward
normalization of relations with Hanoi.

"Sen. John F. Kerry, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA
Affairs, is one of the key figures pushing for normalization. Kerry is
currently on a visit to Vietnam where he has been doing two things:

(1) praising the Vietnamese effusively for granting access to their war
archives and
(2) telling the press that there's no believable evidence to back up the
stories of live POWs still being held.

"Ironically, that very kind of live-POW evidence has been brought to Kerry's
own committee on a regular basis over the past year, and he has repeatedly
sought to impeach its value.

Moreover, Kerry and his allies on the committee - such as Sens. John McCain,
Nancy Kassebaum and Tom Daschle - have worked to block much of this evidence
from being made public."

In the Senate debate itself, Kerry, rather than embarass Vietnam by
demanding the truth, launched a highly publicized diversionary investigation
of the POW/MIA families and activists, who were demanding an honest
accounting.

Kerry labeled them "professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con
artists, and dime-store Rambos" who were only involved in the POW/MIA issue
for money.

Pictured left, Sen. John Kerry in Hanoi seated under a bust of Communist
Vietnam's deceased leader, Ho Chi Minh.

Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs January 1993 Final Report The
Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs published in its January 1993
Final Report (page 6) that American servicemen were left behind alive and in
captivity.

Kerry's Select Committee staff, in order to soft pedal this abandonment,
added in the report "We acknowledge that there is no proof that U.S. POWs
survived."

Kerry's "no proof" assertion, was an outright lie. It was an effort by
Kerry's pro-Hanoi staff to bury our POW/MIA's and further open the doors to
trade with Vietnam.

Kerry maintained there was "no proof U.S. POWs survived," but never produced
evidence proving the left behind POWs were dead, or who was responsible for
their deaths or where their remains were located.

Kerry never demanded that Vietnam explain.

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He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the
likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical
former attorney general.

He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971.
Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson's
about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be
president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.

Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal
media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted
it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic"
Washington, D.C.

Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a
media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most
confrontational protests of the war.

Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000
Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on Washington's
Mall for what they called "a limited incursion into the country of
Congress."

The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme
Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued an
injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.

Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had "raped,
cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly
shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned
food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

'We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no
communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said
'some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in
Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits
abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But
for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his
statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep
sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in
Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves
the best men of this country .."
U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be noted,
occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world
to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese
prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the 'People's Peace Treaty,'" a supposed
'people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East
Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong
peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war."

Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a
protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in
front of the U.S. Capitol.
Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang
on the wall of his office.

Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of
him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a
banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on
record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of
government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003.

"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found himself
marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as
'revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly
organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the
presence of an 'abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the
air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the
USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'"

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of VVAW,
Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the
spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for
his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed
unnecessarily or in vain.

"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States
soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti.
They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the
Viet Cong enemy."

Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports
of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired General
George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid and
comfort to the enemy."

In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for
photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his
betrayal, have turned their backs on him.

The book he doesn't want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the U.S.
House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress
reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New
Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt
youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the
U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima," according to Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.

"Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from
libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on
its cover: 'These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry
the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their
efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,'" the New
American reported.

Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book.

Friendly with the enemy: Kerry's fondness for Vietnam's communist
dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues.
As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created in
1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers
designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered the
panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam.

"[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA
issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi,
than John Forbes Kerry," noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch.

"But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December
1992," reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, "when Hanoi
announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real
estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate
potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's
cousin."

The "odd coincidence," according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a deal
worth $905 million.

Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes
that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities.
"Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has prevented
it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's
repression would be counterproductive."

Kerry is also a fan of China's communist dictatorship. "On May 19, 1994,
five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against
linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights
record," Slate reported.

Kerry said: "China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need China's
cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that merely
excludes and pushes China away."

Limiting China's MFN status "would make us a bit player in a production of
enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can force
China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms."

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