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Old May 3rd 05, 03:14 AM
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Default Splatter +/-110kHz from 9735kHz?

Noticed this last night and tonight. Is it my radio or are others hearing
the same thing? German language transmission booming into Toronto at 9735
from 0200 with distorted splatter around 9845 and 9625kHz.

Tom


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Old May 3rd 05, 04:02 AM
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"Tom Holden" wrote in message
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Noticed this last night and tonight. Is it my radio or are others hearing
the same thing? German language transmission booming into Toronto at 9735
from 0200 with distorted splatter around 9845 and 9625kHz.

So it is Deutsche Welle transmitting from Bonaire. The splatter is
unintelligible but synchronised with modulation peaks, especially strong
with deep male voices. There is no carrier that I can detect at the splatter
frequencies and SSB reception mode does not derive anything intelligible.
The splatter spectrum seems fairly wide although the presence of adjacent
stations renders these observations difficult. I can't think of any receiver
overload or intermod process that would result in symmetrical splatter but I
am using two identical radios to listen to the 9735 program and one of the
splatter sidebands so there could be a common receiver problem. There is
less interference to the splatter on 9845.

Tom


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Old May 3rd 05, 04:47 AM
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On Mon, 2 May 2005 23:02:18 -0400, "Tom Holden"
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"Tom Holden" wrote in message
. ..
Noticed this last night and tonight. Is it my radio or are others hearing
the same thing? German language transmission booming into Toronto at 9735
from 0200 with distorted splatter around 9845 and 9625kHz.

So it is Deutsche Welle transmitting from Bonaire. The splatter is
unintelligible but synchronised with modulation peaks, especially strong
with deep male voices. There is no carrier that I can detect at the splatter
frequencies and SSB reception mode does not derive anything intelligible.
The splatter spectrum seems fairly wide although the presence of adjacent
stations renders these observations difficult. I can't think of any receiver
overload or intermod process that would result in symmetrical splatter but I
am using two identical radios to listen to the 9735 program and one of the
splatter sidebands so there could be a common receiver problem. There is
less interference to the splatter on 9845.

Tom


DW could be having a gross tuning problem. Most tx'ers are
automatically tuned from presets unless they happen to be solid state.
It's possible they may have had a malfunction in the disciminator that
tunes the selsyn motors that tune the caps, or one of the tuning belt
slipped, but you would think they would catch on quickly to that.
It's happened to us at VoA before.

The other possibility is that their final tube in that tx'er (assuming
it's not solid-state) is about to throw craps. It could very well be
detuning itself enough to throw out that garbage.

If I read your post correctly, I doubt it's a receiver issue since you
appear to be hearing it on both. If it doesn't happen again the next
day, you probably can safely assume that DW had a problem and just
didn't catch it promptly!

Al in CNMI

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Tom Holden wrote:

"Tom Holden" wrote in message
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Noticed this last night and tonight. Is it my radio or are others hearing
the same thing? German language transmission booming into Toronto at 9735
from 0200 with distorted splatter around 9845 and 9625kHz.

So it is Deutsche Welle transmitting from Bonaire. The splatter is
unintelligible but synchronised with modulation peaks, especially strong
with deep male voices. There is no carrier that I can detect at the splatter
frequencies and SSB reception mode does not derive anything intelligible.
The splatter spectrum seems fairly wide although the presence of adjacent
stations renders these observations difficult. I can't think of any receiver
overload or intermod process that would result in symmetrical splatter but I
am using two identical radios to listen to the 9735 program and one of the
splatter sidebands so there could be a common receiver problem. There is
less interference to the splatter on 9845.


What radios are you using? My guess would be some sort of IF problem. If
both radios use the same IF then it could be overloading the circuits
and causing the problem. Some radios can cause symmetrical splatter (as
you put it) on both sides of the main freq, usually 910 khz below and
above.


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On Mon, 02 May 2005 20:50:32 -0700, running dogg wrote:

Tom Holden wrote:

"Tom Holden" wrote in message
.. .
Noticed this last night and tonight. Is it my radio or are others hearing
the same thing? German language transmission booming into Toronto at 9735
from 0200 with distorted splatter around 9845 and 9625kHz.

So it is Deutsche Welle transmitting from Bonaire. The splatter is
unintelligible but synchronised with modulation peaks, especially strong
with deep male voices. There is no carrier that I can detect at the splatter
frequencies and SSB reception mode does not derive anything intelligible.
The splatter spectrum seems fairly wide although the presence of adjacent
stations renders these observations difficult. I can't think of any receiver
overload or intermod process that would result in symmetrical splatter but I
am using two identical radios to listen to the 9735 program and one of the
splatter sidebands so there could be a common receiver problem. There is
less interference to the splatter on 9845.


What radios are you using? My guess would be some sort of IF problem. If
both radios use the same IF then it could be overloading the circuits
and causing the problem. Some radios can cause symmetrical splatter (as
you put it) on both sides of the main freq, usually 910 khz below and
above.


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That's actually a good point. I wonder if the radios' proximity to
each other could be causing an issue as well? If the IF's are off, it
could be a case of intermod by injection, but that is so rare as to be
a long shot.

Hope he does get back to us on what he finds.

Al in CNMI

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On Mon, 02 May 2005 20:50:32 -0700, running dogg wrote:

Tom Holden wrote:

"Tom Holden" wrote in message
.. .
Noticed this last night and tonight. Is it my radio or are others
hearing
the same thing? German language transmission booming into Toronto at
9735
from 0200 with distorted splatter around 9845 and 9625kHz.

So it is Deutsche Welle transmitting from Bonaire. The splatter is
unintelligible but synchronised with modulation peaks, especially strong
with deep male voices. There is no carrier that I can detect at the
splatter
frequencies and SSB reception mode does not derive anything
intelligible.
The splatter spectrum seems fairly wide although the presence of
adjacent
stations renders these observations difficult. I can't think of any
receiver
overload or intermod process that would result in symmetrical splatter
but I
am using two identical radios to listen to the 9735 program and one of
the
splatter sidebands so there could be a common receiver problem. There is
less interference to the splatter on 9845.


What radios are you using? My guess would be some sort of IF problem. If
both radios use the same IF then it could be overloading the circuits
and causing the problem. Some radios can cause symmetrical splatter (as
you put it) on both sides of the main freq, usually 910 khz below and
above.


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That's actually a good point. I wonder if the radios' proximity to
each other could be causing an issue as well? If the IF's are off, it
could be a case of intermod by injection, but that is so rare as to be
a long shot.

Hope he does get back to us on what he finds.

Al in CNMI


Both radios are DX-394's. The 910 kHz offset signal would be a 2nd IF image
on one side only, and would be carrier with sidebands, not carrier-less
splatter. The splatter is there with only one radio operating so it's not
radio interaction. I sent a message to DW - we'll see if they reply or it
clears up!

Tom


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On Tue, 3 May 2005 07:13:41 -0400, "Tom Holden"
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"Tebojockey" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 02 May 2005 20:50:32 -0700, running dogg wrote:

Tom Holden wrote:

"Tom Holden" wrote in message
.. .
Noticed this last night and tonight. Is it my radio or are others
hearing
the same thing? German language transmission booming into Toronto at
9735
from 0200 with distorted splatter around 9845 and 9625kHz.

So it is Deutsche Welle transmitting from Bonaire. The splatter is
unintelligible but synchronised with modulation peaks, especially strong
with deep male voices. There is no carrier that I can detect at the
splatter
frequencies and SSB reception mode does not derive anything
intelligible.
The splatter spectrum seems fairly wide although the presence of
adjacent
stations renders these observations difficult. I can't think of any
receiver
overload or intermod process that would result in symmetrical splatter
but I
am using two identical radios to listen to the 9735 program and one of
the
splatter sidebands so there could be a common receiver problem. There is
less interference to the splatter on 9845.

What radios are you using? My guess would be some sort of IF problem. If
both radios use the same IF then it could be overloading the circuits
and causing the problem. Some radios can cause symmetrical splatter (as
you put it) on both sides of the main freq, usually 910 khz below and
above.


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That's actually a good point. I wonder if the radios' proximity to
each other could be causing an issue as well? If the IF's are off, it
could be a case of intermod by injection, but that is so rare as to be
a long shot.

Hope he does get back to us on what he finds.

Al in CNMI


Both radios are DX-394's. The 910 kHz offset signal would be a 2nd IF image
on one side only, and would be carrier with sidebands, not carrier-less
splatter. The splatter is there with only one radio operating so it's not
radio interaction. I sent a message to DW - we'll see if they reply or it
clears up!

Tom



Cool! Let us know what happens. Are you still hearing it? Like the
next day after? If so, it seems hard to believe that the DW relay
station would not be aware of it, but you may save them some real
embarassment if you call their attention to it. Good on ya, Tom!

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