Federal Government to Require Everyone Carry RFID Chip
 

"David" wrote in message
...
They will track you like a common criminal.

''The Real ID Act says federally accepted ID cards must be "machine
readable," and lets Homeland Security determine the details. That
could end up being a magnetic strip, enhanced bar code, or radio
frequency identification (RFID) chips.

DON'T SWEAT THIS !

It is VERY EASY to defeat ANY type of RFID or embedded chip in an ID card.

All you have 2 do is put it in a microwave oven
on a flat dish and run it on HIGH POWER
for 12 seconds ---- DONE ! -- Bada-Bing !

The card and photo will still be intact but any/all chips which are
embedded
in the same will be 100% NON FUNCTIONAL.

This works with ANY type of so-called Smart Card as well
as any RFID chips or strips which may be embedded in
consumer products as well.

While your at it, if your car has OnStar or similar have this
disabled and/or ripped out asap. Visited a friend who is a
PD Officer and he showed me with a few keystrokes how
cars with OnStar can be tracked in real time via the cellular
telephone networks. Onstar is a TRANSPONDER which
broadcasts the VIN and a GPS coordinate for any 2000 and
newer car which is so equipped therin.

UNPLUG the 12 Volts or GET ONSTAR OUT OF YOUR CAR.
It is a real and present privacy threat.

On Mon, 9 May 2005 11:34:04 -0400, "Tazerman 60"
wrote:


While your at it, if your car has OnStar or similar have this
disabled and/or ripped out asap. Visited a friend who is a
PD Officer and he showed me with a few keystrokes how
cars with OnStar can be tracked in real time via the cellular
telephone networks. Onstar is a TRANSPONDER which
broadcasts the VIN and a GPS coordinate for any 2000 and
newer car which is so equipped therin.

UNPLUG the 12 Volts or GET ONSTAR OUT OF YOUR CAR.
It is a real and present privacy threat.

I like having GPS on my phone, in case I have to call 911 for a heart
attack. When I visit my crack dealer, I shut it off a few blocks
away.

David wrote:

On Mon, 9 May 2005 11:34:04 -0400, "Tazerman 60"
wrote:

While your at it, if your car has OnStar or similar have this
disabled and/or ripped out asap. Visited a friend who is a
PD Officer and he showed me with a few keystrokes how
cars with OnStar can be tracked in real time via the cellular
telephone networks. Onstar is a TRANSPONDER which
broadcasts the VIN and a GPS coordinate for any 2000 and
newer car which is so equipped therin.

UNPLUG the 12 Volts or GET ONSTAR OUT OF YOUR CAR.
It is a real and present privacy threat.

I like having GPS on my phone, in case I have to call 911 for a heart
attack. When I visit my crack dealer, I shut it off a few blocks
away.

Crack? I figured as much, 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Anyone in denial of the invasiveness of this technology, is a blind
and bumbling fool.

Darren

http://hometown.aol.com/darren1965co...e/profile.html

On Tue, 10 May 2005 00:37:44 GMT, Conan Ford
wrote:

RFID chips have a range of, at best, a few feet. While Big Brother could
install readers in every doorway of every public place and track everyone
reading The Communist Manifesto in the first place, if you're paranoid you
should realize that if you work in an office an have an access card, you
probably already carry an RFID chip.
You aren't required to carry your parking garage card everywhere you
go.

Big Brother is very real. And he is watching you.

David wrote:

On Tue, 10 May 2005 00:37:44 GMT, Conan Ford
wrote:

RFID chips have a range of, at best, a few feet. While Big Brother could
install readers in every doorway of every public place and track everyone
reading The Communist Manifesto in the first place, if you're paranoid you
should realize that if you work in an office an have an access card, you
probably already carry an RFID chip.
You aren't required to carry your parking garage card everywhere you
go.

Big Brother is very real. And he is watching you.

No, he's watching you... 'tard boy. Guaranteed.

Got your number.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David wrote:
They will track you like a common criminal.

''The Real ID Act says federally accepted ID cards must be "machine
readable," and lets Homeland Security determine the details. That
could end up being a magnetic strip, enhanced bar code, or radio
frequency identification (RFID) chips.

In the past, Homeland Security has indicated it likes the concept of
RFID chips. The State Department is already going to be embedding
RFID
devices in passports, and Homeland Security wants to issue
RFID-outfitted IDs to foreign visitors who enter the country at the
Mexican and Canadian borders. The agency plans to start a yearlong
test of the technology in July at checkpoints in Arizona, New York
and
Washington state.''


http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+...3-5697111.html

Big deal! I've been carrying one since 2003. All active DOD personnel
both military and civilians carry one. I'm sure the rest of the Federal
Government use them also.

Les Locklear
Monitoring since ' 57
Located on the Gulf of Mexico
Bendix R-1015B/URR
Hammarlund R-274C/FRR (SP-600JX-14)
Ten Tec RX-340
RF Systems MLB - MK2
Quantum QX Loop
CU-2279/BRC Multicoupler
http://www.hammarlund.info/homepage.html

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 21...

Good gravy! Count up all the pieces of ID that you have. A partial list
of
mine includes, but is not limited to: DOD-CAC card, driver license, pass-
port, soc-sec card, medical insurance card, corp ID, credit card, library
card, membership cards, etc... The only negative impact I can see is that
it will make it harder to lie about who you are until you figure out how
to
compromise the format...

-=jd=-


jd,

Count up all the ID you had when you turned 16 (or 18 or whatever) and went
to get your drivers license. Most people have MAYBE 2 pieces (birth and
baptismal certificate), a large percentage have only a birth certificate.

The problem with RID is that you will have to somehow magically come up with
four pieces of ID in order to get the first one.

To obtain a passport generally requires birth certificate and drivers
license, at the very least. So you won't have that to show to get your
drivers license. Social Security cards are not accepted as ID. Nor are
library cards. In some cases, student ID cards have been accepted as ID to
get a drivers license, but not in most states, and RID is pretty much
putting the nix on using anything like that as ID to obtain a DL. Most don't
have DOD cards, and minors don't have medical insurance cards, corporate ID,
membership or credit cards. Most of those are not acceptable even now as
legitimate ID for obtaining a DL.

They're opening up a can of worms that I'm sure will incur the wrath of all
50 states (especially given that the states will now have to use the
additional time and manpower to verify each of those four pieces of ID for
each person applying for a new or renewal D/L). Not to mention I'm sure the
ACLU will plunge headlong into the fray.

Have any of these chicken littles actually bother to figure out how
much information these paranoiac schemes will generate? They will
need to construct an entire internet just dedicated to the polling and
registering of incoming data. Any attempt at using the current
systems will grind them to a halt with all that traffic. This will be
a Herculean feat for the forseable future. Let alone the storage of
the data.

D. Martin wrote:

Anyone in denial of the invasiveness of this technology, is a blind
and bumbling fool.

Darren

http://hometown.aol.com/darren1965co...e/profile.html

You are one scary looking dude with some scary looking ideas.

I thought you'd like that. Darren

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.

David wrote:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.

Too late.

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

It is way too late!

Don't turn your cell phone on!

Dave

DH,

Dave Holford wrote:

David wrote:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.

Too late.

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

Sure, some damn Canucky boy is gonna tell us what is going on...

LMAO at the 'tard in CanaDuh....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-


I bet you can bend over and turn yourself out in under five
seconds.

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

David wrote:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.

Too late.

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

Sure, some damn Canucky boy is gonna tell us what is going on...

LMAO at the 'tard in CanaDuh....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Where did I say he was Canadian?

eh?

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

David wrote:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.

Too late.

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

Sure, some damn Canucky boy is gonna tell us what is going on...

LMAO at the 'tard in CanaDuh....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Where did I say he was Canadian?

You didn't... not the point.

http://www.negativepositive.org/****-canada.html

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

David wrote:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.

Too late.

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

Sure, some damn Canucky boy is gonna tell us what is going on...

LMAO at the 'tard in CanaDuh....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Where did I say he was Canadian?

You didn't... not the point.

http://www.negativepositive.org/****-canada.html

dxAce

Thanks, quite entertaining; I will pass it around.
Gave me something to do while downloading an update.

Not as funny as the CBC, but quite a good rant.

A shame the black was not replaced with blue.

I especially liked the idea that Marconi invented short-wave radio, at least
they didn't claim he invented radio.

Dave

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

David wrote:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.

Too late.

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

Sure, some damn Canucky boy is gonna tell us what is going on...

LMAO at the 'tard in CanaDuh....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Where did I say he was Canadian?

You didn't... not the point.

http://www.negativepositive.org/****-canada.html

dxAce

Thanks, quite entertaining; I will pass it around.
Gave me something to do while downloading an update.

Not as funny as the CBC, but quite a good rant.

A shame the black was not replaced with blue.

I especially liked the idea that Marconi invented short-wave radio, at least
they didn't claim he invented radio.

Yeah, there is definitely a colour problem on that page.

Have a good day, Dave.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Dave Holford wrote:

David wrote:


On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-

That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.


Too late.

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

It is way too late!

Don't turn your cell phone on!

Dave

I believe it was Joyce and Dave who, this morning - 5/13/05, were
talking about "chips" in the chips at Las Vegas! They can tell exactly
who every chip is issued to and they can tell every where you go while
on the premises.

Gillette was planning months ago to put them in every razor and possibly
even in the packs of blades.

Seems Michelin tires have had them installed for months now - in every
tire.

They're laying this foundation one little stone at a time. How long
before they embed readers into the pavement - at least at major
intersections - so they can tell:

1) Every where you go - some places will soon become "off limits".

2) How long you stayed - thus allowing for what may or may not have
transpired there.

3) How long it took you to get there - possibly a speeding ticket by
mail, or email - or an automatic draft from your banking account. All
governments are forever needing more money, you know.

4) Whether you crossed the center line while getting from point a to
point b. More fund raising!

5) Whether any of your driving was erratic. More fund raising!

There are perhaps millions of possibilities. When even a pencil or pen
has an RFID chip in it and the government knows who it is "assigned" to.
Two people meet to transact business and one party uses the others
pen, forgetting to give it back. Later a crime is committed - or
someone suspects that a crime *may* have been committed - and party A's
pen is found at the scene. ......

It's going to fun, isn't it? :-) "Mother, May I?"

-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 13 May 2005 10:02:13a, dxAce wrote in
message :



David wrote:

On 12 May 2005 21:17:07 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Thu 12 May 2005 09:32:04a, David wrote in
message :

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.



OK, Here's your big chance - Explain the logic and fear underlying
your conclusion: "The more they know the more they control".

-=jd=-
Scroll down to the big blue meatball:

http://www.geocities.com/totalinformationawareness/

How many days in a row have you awoken only to find yourself even more
screwed up than you were the day before, 'tard boy?


That's an incredibly flawed presumption. What makes you think he's capable
of keeping track? I rather think his reality is one skewed fantasy blurring
into another...

My mistake! I'll have to rethink my theory.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I recently attended a presentation by a gentleman who consults for the
NSA, FBI, CIA, RCMP, CSIS etc.

It is way too late!

Don't turn your cell phone on!


And this would impact me... how? What do I have to worry about?
I know what you're angling for, I just want to see how far you are willing
to stretch to reach it...

-=jd=-

Sorry, I don't fish and I have no idea what you think I am stretching for.

Dave

dxAce wrote:

Yeah, there is definitely a colour problem on that page.

Colour?

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Yeah, there is definitely a colour problem on that page.

Colour?

Oh sorry... didn't realize you didn't understand English.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Yeah, there is definitely a colour problem on that page.

Colour?

Oh sorry... didn't realize you didn't understand English.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Didn't expect you to use a Canadian dictionary.

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Dave Holford wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Yeah, there is definitely a colour problem on that page.

Colour?

Oh sorry... didn't realize you didn't understand English.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Didn't expect you to use a Canadian dictionary.

No such thing. Even if there were, no one up there would know how to use it.

Get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On 13 May 2005 18:58:11 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Fri 13 May 2005 08:55:42a, David wrote in message
:

On 12 May 2005 21:17:07 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Thu 12 May 2005 09:32:04a, David wrote in message
:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.



OK, Here's your big chance - Explain the logic and fear underlying your
conclusion: "The more they know the more they control".

-=jd=-
Scroll down to the big blue meatball:

http://www.geocities.com/totalinformationawareness/


Well, Let's see... you didn't copy & paste the article and only copy &
pasted the link. At least you didn't dissappoint us - I told you (and
everyone else) that you are wholly incapable of articulating an intelligent
response in support of your kook assertions.

So, we'll call this a "Do-Over" because that link didn't explain the logic
and fear underlying your conclusion: "The more they know the more they
control". Here's opportunity #2 to prove you're more than a mere liberal
parrot. I'll even rephrase it to make it easier to understand by someone of
your limited "copy & paste" capabilities: Why should I, or anyone I know,
be the least bit concerned about RFID?

-=jd=-
Liberal? I'm an old-school right-winger. Bill Cooper. Barry
Goldwater.

The problem with you Hitle---er--Bush apologists is that you are too
quick to dismiss.

David wrote:

On 13 May 2005 18:58:11 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Fri 13 May 2005 08:55:42a, David wrote in message
:

On 12 May 2005 21:17:07 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Thu 12 May 2005 09:32:04a, David wrote in message
:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.



OK, Here's your big chance - Explain the logic and fear underlying your
conclusion: "The more they know the more they control".

-=jd=-
Scroll down to the big blue meatball:

http://www.geocities.com/totalinformationawareness/


Well, Let's see... you didn't copy & paste the article and only copy &
pasted the link. At least you didn't dissappoint us - I told you (and
everyone else) that you are wholly incapable of articulating an intelligent
response in support of your kook assertions.

So, we'll call this a "Do-Over" because that link didn't explain the logic
and fear underlying your conclusion: "The more they know the more they
control". Here's opportunity #2 to prove you're more than a mere liberal
parrot. I'll even rephrase it to make it easier to understand by someone of
your limited "copy & paste" capabilities: Why should I, or anyone I know,
be the least bit concerned about RFID?

-=jd=-
Liberal? I'm an old-school right-winger. Bill Cooper. Barry
Goldwater.

The problem with you Hitle---er--Bush apologists is that you are too
quick to dismiss.

David Rickets wakes up to yet another day of mental retardation.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

It's puzzling to me... this forum for discussion so easily turns into
a trading venue for slander. I'm telling you, the thouhtful ones, don't
get lured in by the mind-numbed nonsense.

Darren

"D. Martin" wrote:

It's puzzling to me... this forum for discussion so easily turns into
a trading venue for slander. I'm telling you, the thouhtful ones, don't
get lured in by the mind-numbed nonsense.

Slander? Rickets is a known 'tard boy.

Continue to tote.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On 13 May 2005 19:01:20 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Fri 13 May 2005 04:05:03a, wrote in message
:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-


I bet you can bend over and turn yourself out in under five
seconds.


Leave me out of your fantasies, bub.

Far chance you have a place in my fantasies. Just in my fears
about how much people will give up because "they have nothing to
hide' Today.

You still lack the capability to
explain in non-kook language how I or anyone I know should be the least bit
concerned about one more piece of ID, regardless of whether it contains an
RFID or not. Shall we hold our breath waiting for a lucid, articulate
response? Or have I frustrated you so severly that all you can muster are
pathetically lame insults like your last effort?

None so blind ....


-=jd=-

On 13 May 2005 18:58:11 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Fri 13 May 2005 08:55:42a, David wrote in message
:

On 12 May 2005 21:17:07 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Thu 12 May 2005 09:32:04a, David wrote in message
:

On 11 May 2005 22:42:44 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

I don't have anything o hide; hence, I have
no problem at all with RID.

-=jd=-
That is traitorous speech. The state has no right to know your
business, legal or not.

The more they know the more they control.



OK, Here's your big chance - Explain the logic and fear underlying your
conclusion: "The more they know the more they control".

-=jd=-
Scroll down to the big blue meatball:

http://www.geocities.com/totalinformationawareness/


Well, Let's see... you didn't copy & paste the article

Yeah, isn't it a pain in the ass that others don't like to
play fast and loose with copyrighted material?

and only copy &
pasted the link. At least you didn't dissappoint us - I told you (and
everyone else)

Adequate proof, I'm sure, to a blowhard like you.

that you are wholly incapable of articulating an intelligent
response in support of your kook assertions.

So, we'll call this a "Do-Over" because that link didn't explain the logic
and fear underlying your conclusion: "The more they know the more they
control". Here's opportunity #2 to prove you're more than a mere liberal
parrot. I'll even rephrase it to make it easier to understand by someone of
your limited "copy & paste" capabilities: Why should I, or anyone I know,
be the least bit concerned about RFID?

-=jd=-

For the same reason you should be concerned about all the rest
of the information "collected" about you -- it's mostly bull**** and
will be interpreted by people who do not have your best interests at
heart.

Example -- my ex's info was compromized in the recent
Lexis-Nexis ****up. They sent her a letter explaining what she should
do. It arrived in my mailbox. She has not lived here in thirteen
years.

We're still good friends, so I let her know right away.

She has lived at five addresses since we separated. I have not
changed my address for thirty-five years. When I went to a couple of
sites and looked myself up, I was listed in various databases at all
five of the addresses she's been at. So if I look for a job and tell
the prospective employer I've lived here for 35 years, and the
employer spends fifteen minutes in the palces I looked (all very
common), how is that going to affect my chances of getting the job? Of
course, he should not be doing such loose-ass research on me, but I'll
never know. I'll just hear some corporate crap about "not an exact
match for the skillset we're looking for."

I've also gotten my credit report and found various
non-authorized corporations looking into my credit history by claiming
me as a "customer." Completely illegal, or, at best based on yet more
mistaken information, transposed SSNs or other sloppiness on the part
of the data aggregators.

If you aren't concerned yet, on the basis of just these
trivial examples, then, as they say, "If ignorance is bliss, you must
be orgasmic."