Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Well, many overseas buyers (not in USA) may have someone in the USA whom the
seller can ship to and then the intermediary ships to the buyer overseas.

A real no-brainer.

dace
Michigan
USA

"Lucky" wrote in message
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[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.

I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here and
he might have picked it up.



Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not limiting
herself to her own restriction.


It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the hassle
of overseas shipping. Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.



Thanks for any replies
Lucky

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.


But it is Ebay's rule to be honest and honor your auction properly and all
instructions in it. So if she says she ships overseas but tells the winner
sorry, I don't want to ship to Japan, is that her rule too and not Ebays?

I figure I don't have a leg to stand on with this but I should have. By her
own admission she told me she "didn't know" a overseas bidder won the
auction. I guess she lied to me then.

If I offered her the same money he did, and she knows he can be disqualified
since the auction said "Ships to US ONLY" 3 times, she would have taken me
up on my offer.

Now she could of told me I gave him persmission to bid but she didn't cause
she felt she did something wrong. Instead she thanked me for "alerting me"
to this. IMO, she should have amended the ad since Ebay states, "these
auctions are like a contract" and you must "honor them" and said overseas
bidders welcome. Then I wouldn't have bid.




I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the
ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that
third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here
and
he might have picked it up.

Frank, this I don't know. You may be right.


Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to
ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not
limiting
herself to her own restriction.

I disagree. She didn't changed the info on the auction. How many times do we
see bidders cancel their bid when the seller makes a change to the auction?
Many times. If she made the change, I would have retracted my bid. Then the
item wouldn't have sold for so much since there was only 3 bidders.

It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the
hassle
of overseas shipping.


Well yeah, Most sellers don't want the added risk of shipping overseas and
filling out customs papers.

Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.

Perhaps he did. But I still feel I am right.
She changed the info in the Ebay contract but didn't let the other bidders
and potential bidders know about this. Plus she must of lied to me. This
whole world is going down the drain. No one has morals or feel the need to
do the right things in life anymore. It's all about "how do I come out on
top no matter what". The ends justify the means is par for the course now.

Anyway thanks for the feedback Frank.



Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Would it matter that the bidder is overseas or is it just the fact that you
were out-and-out just plain-old OUTBID?

Place a higher bid next time and you'll have a better chance of getting the
item, no matter who is bidding against you. That's how eBay works.


"Lucky" wrote in message
...
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK
I bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the
auction of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I
then write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan.
She wrote back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to
this. Plus, he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky

Lucky wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Lucky" wrote in message
...

[snip]


I tell her listen, he broke the rules.

Yeah, but it's her rule, not Ebay's rule.

But it is Ebay's rule to be honest and honor your auction properly and all
instructions in it. So if she says she ships overseas but tells the winner
sorry, I don't want to ship to Japan, is that her rule too and not Ebays?

I figure I don't have a leg to stand on with this but I should have. By her
own admission she told me she "didn't know" a overseas bidder won the
auction. I guess she lied to me then.

If I offered her the same money he did, and she knows he can be disqualified
since the auction said "Ships to US ONLY" 3 times, she would have taken me
up on my offer.

Now she could of told me I gave him persmission to bid but she didn't cause
she felt she did something wrong. Instead she thanked me for "alerting me"
to this. IMO, she should have amended the ad since Ebay states, "these
auctions are like a contract" and you must "honor them" and said overseas
bidders welcome. Then I wouldn't have bid.

I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder
can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the
ad.
She said she would get back to me.

How do you know he didn't respect the instructions in the ad? An overseas
bidder could have the item shipped to a third party in the US and that
third
party could ship it to him. Or, he might be a regular traveler to here
and
he might have picked it up.

Frank, this I don't know. You may be right.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there
was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was
a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?

I dunno. I'm not a lawyer nor an Ebay expert. But, if you're going to
ask
someone to punish her, you'll be asking them to punish her for not
limiting
herself to her own restriction.

I disagree. She didn't changed the info on the auction. How many times do we
see bidders cancel their bid when the seller makes a change to the auction?
Many times. If she made the change, I would have retracted my bid. Then the
item wouldn't have sold for so much since there was only 3 bidders.

It just doesn't seem right to me.

Her restriction probably didn't seem right to the Japanese bidder. After
all, his money is a good as anyone else's. Maybe the seller restricted
herself to domestic bidders because she didn't want to deal with the
hassle
of overseas shipping.

Well yeah, Most sellers don't want the added risk of shipping overseas and
filling out customs papers.

Maybe the Japanese bidder was understanding and made
it easy for her.

Perhaps he did. But I still feel I am right.
She changed the info in the Ebay contract but didn't let the other bidders
and potential bidders know about this. Plus she must of lied to me. This
whole world is going down the drain. No one has morals or feel the need to
do the right things in life anymore. It's all about "how do I come out on
top no matter what". The ends justify the means is par for the course now.

Anyway thanks for the feedback Frank.

You got outbid...

Get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

beerbarrel wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:41:17 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky


You should change your moniker!

Whiny 'Tard?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Good "strategery" on ships worldwide. I'll keep that in mind.

Ebay is full of jerks and alpha hotels. I'd say just ignore it and move
on.

I just dealt with some seller who has an item that weighs 4 lbs. The
ebay shipping calculator said $37. That's not going to happen. I got
the guy to agree USPS for 6lbs to cover packing material. He said fine
but wants $5 for the box. Needless to say, the auction was dropped from
my sniper software.

beerbarrel wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:41:17 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote:

Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky


You should change your moniker!

Maybe to the "High-rise Harpy"

The poor fool simply seems to think that since he/she bid on the item it's
theirs.

Whiny little bitch/******* at any rate.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Lucky wrote:
Hi guys.

I just wanted your opinions on this matter.
When I bid on items on Ebay, I usually stay away from auctions that "ship
worldwide". The reason for that is I found that many sellers don't ship
overseas. So, when there is an auction for a much wanted item, it usually
bids up very high. The reason being there are so many more bidders from
around the world instead of just the U.S.

OK, I see an item I want to bid on. It says more then 3 times in big
letters, "ships to U.S. ONLY" And yes it said just that. "To US only". OK I
bid on the item. At the very end a new bidder jumps in. He wins the auction
of course since his bid is $10 more then mine.

I then check him out and see he is a bidder from Japan. I figure this guy
didn't follow the rules of the auction or asked permission to do so. I then
write the seller asking her if she knew the winner was from Japan. She wrote
back saying "No, I didn't know that. Thanks for alerting me to this. Plus,
he hasn't even payed me yet".

I tell her listen, he broke the rules. I told her I would pay his winning
bid of $10 more so you would not lose anything and this foreign bidder can
easily be disqualified since he didn't respect the instructions in the ad.
She said she would get back to me.

Well, she never got back to me and now I see she left this guy positive
feedback already. Was this right? I mean I bid on the item since there was
no "ships worldwide" and the seller admitted to me she didn't know he was a
overseas bidder but sold to him anyway.

Do I have any type of recourse on this?
It just doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks for any replies
Lucky



It's her item, she can do what see darn well pleases with it. She is
under no obligation to you what-so-ever since you did not have the
highest bid. Sounds like sour grapes to me.