Most Indians speak very good English, at least in the cities, AFAIK. I've
never been to India, but all the Indians I've met elsewhere spoke perfect
English, albeit sometimes heavily accented. They have many different
languages and use English as a lingua franca to talk to other Indians in
their own country, so complete fluency is more the rule than the exception.

I know that most Indians speak good English, and I have no problem
with their accent. But I had one once who apparently did not
understand English. It was as if he was reading from a script and was
expecting a certain answer back. It was VERY frustrating. Perhaps if
these call centers were a little more discriminating in who they
hired.

"running dogg" wrote in message
...
uncle arnie wrote:

Best to avoid racist terms such as "paki". It's right up there with
"******". "Monkey" is no better - only applied from what I see to
non-white
persons, it's at about the level of "boy".

Blue Cornchips wrote:


Shamelessly stolen from alt.tasteless:

(a real laugh riot! Great ways on how 2 insult foreign tech support
monkeys !!)



And people then wonder why the tech support "monkey" in India is so
surly. If you lived in Bangalore and had to work from 9pm to 5am doing
tech support for Americans who call you "paki" all the time, you'd be
mad too.


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Excuse me....what the hell is a paki? And why is it a racist slur?

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"running dogg" wrote in message


Excuse me....what the hell is a paki?

A Pakistani. I heard the term used in Canada years before I first heard
it used in the U.S.

And why is it a racist slur?

Beats me. Ask one.

Dan/W4NTI

w3rv

Dan/W4NTI wrote:


"running dogg" wrote in message
...

Excuse me....what the hell is a paki? And why is it a racist slur?

Dan/W4NTI

It is a term for someone of East Indian descent. My East Indian friends
from the Caribbean and Europe, some of the many generations, take great
offence to it. It is derived from Pakistan, which is a mostly a Moslem
country. Indians tend to be Hindu. So it's a combination of wrong
country, wrong religion, as well as used by others who aren't part of the
India/Hindu - Pakistan/Moslem wars and conflict as a direct insult. There
is zero tolerance for it in schools here for instance. Perhaps there are
no East Indians where you live.

Those who are interested, here's a link to a radio program about Indian call
centres and the social conditions that bring them to India.

http://www.cbc.ca/dispatches/summer2003.html

This is the text, search for India and you'll come to the real audio link:

College graduates often complain how hard it is to find a job these days.
But imagine living in India, where unemployment among young people can be
more than 50 percent.

Getting work on the subcontinent is kind of like staying dry in monsoon
season.

Except in the southern city of Bangalore, where the CBC's Mihira Lakshman
says the ability to sound like you're from the American heartland, is the
key to a whole new kind of career.

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:22:04 GMT, Aristotle wrote:

I know that most Indians speak good English, and I have no problem
with their accent. But I had one once who apparently did not
understand English. It was as if he was reading from a script and was
expecting a certain answer back. It was VERY frustrating. Perhaps if
these call centers were a little more discriminating in who they
hired.

The problem which I find most is not lack of fluency with English
(in any of its variations) but lack of fluency in the subject at
hand. How can you get assistance with a PC card driver, for
instance, when the person doesn't know (or denies) that the
particular operating system which is being used exists?

Fortunately these problems don't crop up that often for me.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

"uncle arnie" wrote in message
...
Bill Turner wrote:
Since when is racism PC crap? Heard about Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan,
Kashmir?

Yes.

Those are four countries which should have been left up to their
own devices and not rcvd on dime of Foreign (USA) Aide.
Bosnia is populated by the descendents of migrating gypsies who want to
set up a quasi-Islamic State right on Europe's doorstep. They just may
get the chance now thanks to Bill Clinton's intervention in the former
Yugoslavia in the late 90's. Bottom line is that country and it's neighbors
were much better off under Tito who kept them in order with an iron rod.
When he kicked off you saw Yugoslavia go right back to it's pre - WW-I
borders and the conflicts of the turn of the last Century flared up again.
This area has been a historic breeding ground for hotheads anyway going
back several hundred Years.

As for Rwanda and Sudan, here you have a classic case of religious fervor
mixed with a climate and landscape not unlike the moon (albeit hot and dry)
and a race of people who breed like hedgerow rabbits. Anyone with even a
partial working brain can see this is a powderkeg just waiting to go off.
There's too damm many people in Africa anyway, overpopulation run
amuck with rampant Islam and corrupt politics, so you can be sure that
Mother Nature is going to do her best to cull this herd for sure! She's
doing
it right now via HIV, desertification and climate change. Sit back and
watch
M.N. in action kids! Amazing how she can clear off the land of the human
locusts and yet leave the raw materials intact eh? Sort of like a Neutron
Bomb
in slo-motion....

Finally we have Kashmir! A disputed border region being roe'd about by
Pakistan and India. Two countries who have two greatly opposing religions
and a population that breeds like field mice...and best of all...THEY BOTH
HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS!! Now this is a comedy act we really need
to watch very closely folks. I will never forget seeing the video of
ignorant and
inbred pakistanies a few years ago, riding atop a fake nuclear missile prop
in a victory parade urging their Govt. to launch a real one onto Deli or
Bombay.
This was the 'paki' version of "Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned Love The
Bomb" with Dr Kahn playing Peter Sellers. Here you have a group of people
who would love to see parts of India glow with radioactivity, and yet they
forget
that the fallout would rain down on Pakistan afterwards! (talk about
nuclear
Darwinism!) The Indians are not much better, they believe in 1000 different
gods and are not worried if they get nuked because they will come back as
a monkey or a cow or some other mutated form of life. One wants to nuke
Krishina for Allah....the other wants to nuke Allah for Krishina....GO
FIGURE!

Know what I say folks...? LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER OFF !

There are too dammed many people on this Planet anyway, and the masses
of candidates for a mass-culling are, for the most part: stupid, easily led
by
religious craptrap, uneducated, and baby-making machines. In short an army
of biomass which is incapable of intellectual advancement, which thus must
advance itself via sheer numbers by rampant biomass and unrestrained
breeding.
A living cancer on the face of the planetscape. Yes, let them kill each
other off
via Mother Natures help. She's already giving us a warning that the
planet's reserves
of petroleum products have reached their peak (look up 'Peak Oil' on
google) and
it's all downhill from here folks. The 3rd extinction has begun and it has
been caused
by HUMANS!

In closing , let me remind you of the words of the Georgia Guidestones:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world
court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for
nature.

They say it all !

"75M foghorn" wrote in message
groups.com...

"uncle arnie" wrote in message
...
Bill Turner wrote:
Since when is racism PC crap? Heard about Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan,
Kashmir?

Yes.

Those are four countries which should have been left up to their
own devices and not rcvd on dime of Foreign (USA) Aide.
Bosnia is populated by the descendents of migrating gypsies who want to
set up a quasi-Islamic State right on Europe's doorstep. They just may
get the chance now thanks to Bill Clinton's intervention in the former
Yugoslavia in the late 90's. Bottom line is that country and it's
neighbors
were much better off under Tito who kept them in order with an iron rod.
When he kicked off you saw Yugoslavia go right back to it's pre - WW-I
borders and the conflicts of the turn of the last Century flared up again.
This area has been a historic breeding ground for hotheads anyway going
back several hundred Years.

As for Rwanda and Sudan, here you have a classic case of religious fervor
mixed with a climate and landscape not unlike the moon (albeit hot and
dry)
and a race of people who breed like hedgerow rabbits. Anyone with even a
partial working brain can see this is a powderkeg just waiting to go off.
There's too damm many people in Africa anyway, overpopulation run
amuck with rampant Islam and corrupt politics, so you can be sure that
Mother Nature is going to do her best to cull this herd for sure! She's
doing
it right now via HIV, desertification and climate change. Sit back and
watch
M.N. in action kids! Amazing how she can clear off the land of the human
locusts and yet leave the raw materials intact eh? Sort of like a Neutron
Bomb
in slo-motion....

Finally we have Kashmir! A disputed border region being roe'd about by
Pakistan and India. Two countries who have two greatly opposing religions
and a population that breeds like field mice...and best of all...THEY BOTH
HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS!! Now this is a comedy act we really need
to watch very closely folks. I will never forget seeing the video of
ignorant and
inbred pakistanies a few years ago, riding atop a fake nuclear missile
prop
in a victory parade urging their Govt. to launch a real one onto Deli or
Bombay.
This was the 'paki' version of "Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned Love The
Bomb" with Dr Kahn playing Peter Sellers. Here you have a group of people
who would love to see parts of India glow with radioactivity, and yet they
forget
that the fallout would rain down on Pakistan afterwards! (talk about
nuclear
Darwinism!) The Indians are not much better, they believe in 1000
different
gods and are not worried if they get nuked because they will come back as
a monkey or a cow or some other mutated form of life. One wants to nuke
Krishina for Allah....the other wants to nuke Allah for Krishina....GO
FIGURE!

Know what I say folks...? LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER OFF !

There are too dammed many people on this Planet anyway, and the masses
of candidates for a mass-culling are, for the most part: stupid, easily
led
by
religious craptrap, uneducated, and baby-making machines. In short an army
of biomass which is incapable of intellectual advancement, which thus must
advance itself via sheer numbers by rampant biomass and unrestrained
breeding.
A living cancer on the face of the planetscape. Yes, let them kill each
other off
via Mother Natures help. She's already giving us a warning that the
planet's reserves
of petroleum products have reached their peak (look up 'Peak Oil' on
google) and
it's all downhill from here folks. The 3rd extinction has begun and it has
been caused
by HUMANS!

In closing , let me remind you of the words of the Georgia Guidestones:

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world
court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for
nature.

They say it all !


LOL!!!

Aristotle wrote in
:


Most Indians speak very good English, at least in the cities, AFAIK.
I've never been to India, but all the Indians I've met elsewhere spoke
perfect English, albeit sometimes heavily accented. They have many
different languages and use English as a lingua franca to talk to other
Indians in their own country, so complete fluency is more the rule than
the exception.

I know that most Indians speak good English, and I have no problem
with their accent. But I had one once who apparently did not
understand English. It was as if he was reading from a script and was
expecting a certain answer back. It was VERY frustrating. Perhaps if
these call centers were a little more discriminating in who they
hired.







Reading from a script reminds me of encounters in various fast food places
that go something like this:-

Customer: I'd like a burger and fries please

Staff person: Would you like fries with that?

The moral is that you don't have to be ignorant of the language to be
reading from a script

JS,