No, it sounds like a very sensible idea to all parties (I'm a member
of the right-wing UK Conservative party) when you consider that we
have:

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cool. i see your point right up front. not that i feel something like
this would work in a country as big as the US. i first got wind of this
on the BBC, about a year ago. but, if i remember right, it was to be
a London only deal. i could be wrong, getten old here. i heard the rest
of the story on the beeb last monday. i can see where it would work for
you and my friend. she, being a transplanted american, married to a vary
proper british gent. i'm sure she is following his politics. what party
he is, i don't know. maybe labor. we, like the brits are taxed to death.
too many, excise tax goes back to the spanish american war! so, ya pay
your share and hope for the best here. thank you for your insight.
always
good to hear from that side of the pond

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Drifter...

***ON THE FRINGE OF PITTSBURGH***

Real Christians do not hate in God's name. Ever.

*plonk*

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not real sure what that was for!!!
but, thank you vary much...

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Drifter...

***ON THE FRINGE OF PITTSBURGH***

Eric F. Richards wrote:
Drifter wrote:


[...] and a real Christian in the good sense. [...]



Real Christians do not hate in God's name. Ever.

*plonk*


II Chronicles 19:2, ...Should you help the wicked and love those who
hate the Lord and so bring wrath on yourself from the Lord?

New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (2 Ch 19:2). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.

This is but one reference to refute your statement. To help those who
hate the Lord is to bring wrath upon that Christian FROM THE LORD!
Looks like more of the doctrine of Balaam. When Christ's enemies can't
defeat the Christians themselves they, knowing the Word of God better
than most Christians, teach them to do the things that will bring God's
wrath down upon them. Thus they have indirectly accomplished what they
could not accomplish directly! :-)

This has been pulled hundreds if not thousands of times! We sheep seem
to never learn. The sly old foxes / snakes / tares are shrewd folks!

WHO HATES THE LORD? Read First John chapter two. Even now there are
many antichrists! Rev. 2:9 & 3:9 tells us there are those who SAY they
are Jews but are of the synagogue of Satan!

"plonk"

Li,Chanchun wrote:

"Andrew Oakley" wrote

They want to change this so that I pay only 2 dollars a gallon for
gas, PLUS 2p per mile to drive down empty rural roads.

Sounds like a sensible right-wing tax-cutting winner to me!


We have had toll roads here on certain interstate highways for many years.
If they expand on this concept, which is possible, they won't cut any taxes
here.

Do politicians EVER cut taxes? I don't recall it.

In my initial post on this topic I stated that the sales tax and toll
roads were, in my opinion, the two fairest of all taxes.

I DID NOT mean to imply that I approve of the satellite tracking which
Britain plans to do! Also, our politicians seem to find a way to go to
extremes on many issues, such as some wanting to put meters on private
wells here in the U.S.

The government which intrudes the least into our lives is the best
government.

We can expect the intrusions to continue and to get much more
pronounced. I'd say, YES, we are going to have CAFTA (Central American
Free Trade Agreement) to go into effect, even though the Democrats seem
to be against it at this point. Then will probably come SAFTA (South
American Free Trade Agreement) and it will probably be followed by The
Free Trade Agreement of the Americas - to include NAFTA, CAFTA & SAFTA
areas. Of course, they may CALL them anything, but the basics will be
the very same.

BIG changes are on the way! Get ready. PREPARE! There are no
emergencies to one who is prepared! :-)

"Are You Washed In The Blood?" ... "the soul cleansing blood of the
Lamb?" - a nice song!

Christians will be persecuted more and more as time goes by, for ONE
REASON. They won't fit in with the "New World Order" because they won't
"bow" to the NWO. There is ONE WAY to the Father and that is ONLY
through the Son of God! He who has the Son has life. He who does not
have the Son does NOT have life.

EVERY other religion is at odds with Christianity on this point -- even
the Jews who will eventually accept Christ but currently claim access to
the Father without Him! Jesus himself refutes this in John 14:6, "Jesus
saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me." Notice He didn't say we could come through
Buddha, Allah, Hair Chrisner (? sp), or any other means!

The Scriptures tell us concerning the antichrist that he CAUSETH all to
take the mark in their right hand or the forehead. Look for them fairly
soon to start telling us we need to use biometrics to open bank
accounts, withdraw funds, conduct transactions, etc. It may not
INITIALLY be in the forehead or right hand, but that's where it will end
up!

Think about it! Read The Book! Have a good day!

Al Patrick wrote:
Eric F. Richards wrote:
Real Christians do not hate in God's name. Ever.

II Chronicles 19:2, ...?Should you help the wicked and love those who
hate the Lord and ??so bring wrath on yourself from the Lord?

That's Jehu chiding Jehoshophat because Jehoshophat's people mistreated
Micaiah. Certainly it's not the all-encompassing thing you misrepresent
it to be.

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clifto wrote:
Al Patrick wrote:

Eric F. Richards wrote:

Real Christians do not hate in God's name. Ever.

II Chronicles 19:2, ...?Should you help the wicked and love those who
hate the Lord and ??so bring wrath on yourself from the Lord?


That's Jehu chiding Jehoshophat because Jehoshophat's people mistreated
Micaiah. Certainly it's not the all-encompassing thing you misrepresent
it to be.


Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage
waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came
not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law
against her mother in law.

Matthew 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

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Good conversation. I believe in God, and in Jesus Christ. I'm
acquainted with antichrist ideology. The trouble I've found in opposing
my perception of God, is that it brought me heartache unimaginable.
I consider Lucifer real as well, and he is no god.

Darren

http://hometown.aol.com/darren1965co...e/profile.html

Al Patrick wrote:
clifto wrote:
Al Patrick wrote:
II Chronicles 19:2, ...?Should you help the wicked and love those who
hate the Lord and ??so bring wrath on yourself from the Lord?

That's Jehu chiding Jehoshophat because Jehoshophat's people mistreated
Micaiah. Certainly it's not the all-encompassing thing you misrepresent
it to be.

Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage
waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Unless you count God as a Christian, that's not Christians hating anyone.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came
not to send peace, but a sword.

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law
against her mother in law.

Matthew 10:36 And a man?s foes shall be they of his own household.

Not familiar with the concepts leading to Armageddon, are you?

But while we're taking quotes out of context...

From: Al Patrick
Message-ID:

I think blacks... might be bad... most... probably use the cheapest
"acceptable"... "diet" colas and other things...

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