As I said in another thread about this radio, anybody who spends $500
to be a beta tester for Eton when this thing finally sees the light of
day is a certified whack-job.

I agree. And now you can throw the S350DL into the mix as well. At
$150, and single conversion at that, one would be better off with the
7600GR.

I'm beginning to wonder if the marketing department at Eton didn't just
walk out of a Dilbert cartoon.

"Joe Analssandrini" wrote

Eton's products are in fact made in China, not Taiwan, by Tecsun, a
Chinese company.


Eton outsources to Tecsun. Tecsun has the financial interest of the CCP.
The CCP owned enterprises often sell products at or under cost. That
is the advantage of a State Owned/Subsidized Enterprise (SO/SE). This fact
has nothing to do with
Eton/Grundig which simply has a contract with Tecsun to produce so many
widgits at such and such cost. Eton/Grundig and Tecsun are not the same
company.

There are several Degen/Kaitos selling for between $50 and $100 which
offer far more than Tecsun's (Eton's) radios both in terms of features
and performance.

Again, Tecsun is capable of doing so for the reason sited above. Unlike
Eton/Grundig and most "western" country enterprises, the CCP owned
enterprises
do not answer to shareholders or anyone else for that matter. The CCP is
violating numerous trade agreements with impunity. They get away with it
because
so many western corporations have huge investments in China where these
western
corporations seek CCP political favour to "get a piece of the action".
Meanwhile,
western factories move to China. In the not so distant future you will be
driving a car
manufatured in China. Detroit will be an automobile ghost town.

One example is the textile industry. This past January textile quotas from
China
had been dropped in the EU and USA. There was a flood of imports of very
cheaply priced textiles. FYI: Clothes in China are incredibly cheap and the
quality
has improved. A decent designer T-shirt can be purchased for $1US (yes, one
dollar).
Even Thailand, India and other textile producing countries are suffering
from the CCP's
dumping tactics.

This is also happening in other areas of production. Soon this hardline
Communist
dictatorial country will be able to not only produce but also design
advanced electronics
micro-chips which will rival those designed in Japan. Japan designs and
produces the most
advanced micro-chips in the world of which the U.S. military is a very good
customer.
If the Japanese can not sell its micro-chips due to price under cutting by
the Communist
subsidized enterprises, the Japanese companies will simply have to leave the
business.
In whcih case where will the U.S. military go shopping?

The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is indeed a "steal" at $130. It was even a
"steal" at $160, which is what I paid for all five - no kidding, that's
how many I own - of mine several years ago. And it is made in Japan! I
recommend that anyone seriously interested in shortwave radio buy one
of these "while the getting is good." Both Amazon and J&R Music World
have the ICF-SW7600GR at low prices. As a "first" radio, as a "travel"
radio, as an "only" radio, you just can't go wrong, in my opinion.

Eton/Tecsun COULD be competitive if it truly desired to do so.

You are confused - Eton/Grundig is NOT = Tecsun!

Yes of course, Eton/Grundig can compete if the democratic and free Taiwan
government chooses to subsidize them and Eton decides to sell at or below
cost.

Sony,
though it makes the most technologically-advanced shortwave portable
radios on the market, evidently is no longer interested in shortwave
radio or the shortwave listener and hasn't been for some time. I really
wish Eton would become the "Sony" of the 21st century, at least as far
as shortwave radios are concerned.

You are witnessing the result of what I have stated above.


I would love to be able to support this company by buying its products
but I'm afraid that its current lineup offers no incentive for me to do
so.

That is EXACTLY what the CCP wants to accomplish.
It may happen that the next time you go to fuel your SUV the gas station
will be selling fuel owned
by a CCP oil company.

The CCP is using a Wal-Mart economic model on steroids on a grand global
scale.
The CCP controls the Horizontal (Yuan currency valuation) and the Vertical
(SO/SE production).

Meanwhile, the Chinese people suffer under the most brutal Communist regime.

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:18:35 -0500, "Boozer"
wrote:


"Joe Analssandrini" wrote

Eton's products are in fact made in China, not Taiwan, by Tecsun, a
Chinese company.


Eton outsources to Tecsun. Tecsun has the financial interest of the CCP.
The CCP owned enterprises often sell products at or under cost. That
is the advantage of a State Owned/Subsidized Enterprise (SO/SE). This fact
has nothing to do with
Eton/Grundig which simply has a contract with Tecsun to produce so many
widgits at such and such cost. Eton/Grundig and Tecsun are not the same
company.

Eton/Tecsun COULD be competitive if it truly desired to do so.

You are confused - Eton/Grundig is NOT = Tecsun!

Yes, but the Eton & Grundig radios are merely rebadged Tecsuns with no
additional and in most cases, fewer features. Eton isn't designing
radios, it isn't manufacturing, it is buying standard Tecsun product
and slapping a new label on it.

"Not your business" wrote

You are confused - Eton/Grundig is NOT = Tecsun!

Yes, but the Eton & Grundig radios are merely rebadged Tecsuns with no
additional and in most cases, fewer features. Eton isn't designing
radios, it isn't manufacturing, it is buying standard Tecsun product
and slapping a new label on it.

I believe this is a fairly recent phenomenon.
Is that true for all of Etons current offerings?
Which Tecsun radios are rebadged under Eton?
Is the latest and greatest E1 a Tecsun product?

ALL of them!



"whiskybarrel" wrote in message
...
"Not your business" wrote

You are confused - Eton/Grundig is NOT = Tecsun!

Yes, but the Eton & Grundig radios are merely rebadged Tecsuns with no
additional and in most cases, fewer features. Eton isn't designing
radios, it isn't manufacturing, it is buying standard Tecsun product
and slapping a new label on it.

I believe this is a fairly recent phenomenon.
Is that true for all of Etons current offerings?
Which Tecsun radios are rebadged under Eton?
Is the latest and greatest E1 a Tecsun product?

"Boozer" wrote in message
...

"Joe Analssandrini" wrote

Eton's products are in fact made in China, not Taiwan, by Tecsun, a
Chinese company.


Eton outsources to Tecsun. Tecsun has the financial interest of the CCP.
The CCP owned enterprises often sell products at or under cost. That
is the advantage of a State Owned/Subsidized Enterprise (SO/SE). This
fact
has nothing to do with
Eton/Grundig which simply has a contract with Tecsun to produce so many
widgits at such and such cost. Eton/Grundig and Tecsun are not the same
company.

There are several Degen/Kaitos selling for between $50 and $100 which
offer far more than Tecsun's (Eton's) radios both in terms of features
and performance.

Again, Tecsun is capable of doing so for the reason sited above. Unlike
Eton/Grundig and most "western" country enterprises, the CCP owned
enterprises
do not answer to shareholders or anyone else for that matter. The CCP is
violating numerous trade agreements with impunity. They get away with it
because
so many western corporations have huge investments in China where these
western
corporations seek CCP political favour to "get a piece of the action".
Meanwhile,
western factories move to China. In the not so distant future you will be
driving a car
manufatured in China. Detroit will be an automobile ghost town.

One example is the textile industry. This past January textile quotas
from
China
had been dropped in the EU and USA. There was a flood of imports of very
cheaply priced textiles. FYI: Clothes in China are incredibly cheap and
the
quality
has improved. A decent designer T-shirt can be purchased for $1US (yes,
one
dollar).
Even Thailand, India and other textile producing countries are suffering
from the CCP's
dumping tactics.

This is also happening in other areas of production. Soon this hardline
Communist
dictatorial country will be able to not only produce but also design
advanced electronics
micro-chips which will rival those designed in Japan. Japan designs and
produces the most
advanced micro-chips in the world of which the U.S. military is a very
good
customer.
If the Japanese can not sell its micro-chips due to price under cutting by
the Communist
subsidized enterprises, the Japanese companies will simply have to leave
the
business.
In whcih case where will the U.S. military go shopping?

The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is indeed a "steal" at $130. It was even a
"steal" at $160, which is what I paid for all five - no kidding, that's
how many I own - of mine several years ago. And it is made in Japan! I
recommend that anyone seriously interested in shortwave radio buy one
of these "while the getting is good." Both Amazon and J&R Music World
have the ICF-SW7600GR at low prices. As a "first" radio, as a "travel"
radio, as an "only" radio, you just can't go wrong, in my opinion.

Eton/Tecsun COULD be competitive if it truly desired to do so.

You are confused - Eton/Grundig is NOT = Tecsun!

Yes of course, Eton/Grundig can compete if the democratic and free Taiwan
government chooses to subsidize them and Eton decides to sell at or below
cost.

Sony,
though it makes the most technologically-advanced shortwave portable
radios on the market, evidently is no longer interested in shortwave
radio or the shortwave listener and hasn't been for some time. I really
wish Eton would become the "Sony" of the 21st century, at least as far
as shortwave radios are concerned.

You are witnessing the result of what I have stated above.


I would love to be able to support this company by buying its products
but I'm afraid that its current lineup offers no incentive for me to do
so.

That is EXACTLY what the CCP wants to accomplish.
It may happen that the next time you go to fuel your SUV the gas station
will be selling fuel owned
by a CCP oil company.

The CCP is using a Wal-Mart economic model on steroids on a grand global
scale.
The CCP controls the Horizontal (Yuan currency valuation) and the Vertical
(SO/SE production).

Meanwhile, the Chinese people suffer under the most brutal Communist
regime.



Hi Boozer,

you seem to be spot on about these things since I have witnessed them first
hand . And now China does want to buy out Unocal. Like one Senator said,
"Would China allow the U.S. to buy out one of it's major companies"?

We all know the answer to that question don't we? The CCP must be laughing
at how easy this all is. They are laughing at the people they are paying off
knowing that one day they will take it all back. What fools they must think
we are and they would be right. Corrupt greedy fools.

Doesn't the U.S. see the future of their future limited vendors for
sensitive military needs? If they do and allow it to happen, it boils down
to money, bribes and corruption in our gov't. The sad part is these people
think they will keep on going on with their greedy practices until they wake
up to find out their world and themselves are now controlled by a foreign
gov't and country.

It's very frustrating and sad that the U.S.A is falling from grace and is
now mainly a service orientated financial economy. How are they going to
use that to control their side of the world?

It's hard to sit back and watch it just move from the way it used to be to
the way it is now.

The US citizens are slowly losing all their rights as seen by the supreme
courts last ruling of allowing PRIVATE interests to take your real estate
away from you. I still can't believe this. HOW, how in the United States of
America, can the HIGHEST LAW IN THE LAND say this is "OK"????

For PRIVATE INTERESTS?I just can't believe it. IF they do not overule this,
and it becomes law, I thing a wise move might be selling your real estate
while you still have control of it and leaving the country.

Cause if the Supreme law of the land says this is OK to do to the citizens
of this country, I no longer feel I'm living in a free state. And, if the
people will not do anything about it and fight it, then I don't think we
need to stay around and go down with a bunch of sheep.

This is so scary to me you have just can't imagine. Also, to be able to
check public and retail records to see what books you buy and take out from
the library is just freightening. This is a dictatorship. This reminds me of
how the nazi's operated and gained control.

What is happening to privacy in this country that soldiers gave their lives
for?
So it all meant NOTHING which means this world means nothing now. Seems to
me I won't be suprised to see forced laws and rules on us individually. Our
country is straying farther and farther from the constitution.

See how they marched in the streets of the Ukraine recently. Why them and
not us? If nothing happens to overturn this ruling, they must be putting
something in the water, food or air. Cause I can't imagine logical thinking
Americans doing nothing about it. We shall see. We shall see if Congress and
the Senate are not outraged by this. If they aren't we know the fix is in
deep.

Lucky

I had my first taste of XM radio reception via satellite this past
weekend and was less than impressed because it drops the signal around
tall buildings and tall trees. For the Grundig to not have xm
capability is no great loss based on my experience.

John S. wrote:
I had my first taste of XM radio reception via satellite this past
weekend and was less than impressed because it drops the signal around
tall buildings and tall trees. For the Grundig to not have xm
capability is no great loss based on my experience.


On a portable, you'd probably have less frequent dropouts than in a car
because odds are you'll put it down in one spot while you listen.

Of course if you pick a spot that can't see the satellite, you'll have
to move or listen to something else.

Mark S. Holden wrote:
John S. wrote:
I had my first taste of XM radio reception via satellite this past
weekend and was less than impressed because it drops the signal around
tall buildings and tall trees. For the Grundig to not have xm
capability is no great loss based on my experience.


On a portable, you'd probably have less frequent dropouts than in a car
because odds are you'll put it down in one spot while you listen.

Of course if you pick a spot that can't see the satellite, you'll have
to move or listen to something else.

In fact we were in a car. The lost signals were so frequent that we
switched to regular radio, and found the music we were looking for.
They will have to stabilize reception and improve the selections before
paid satellite radio is of any interest to me.