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m II schrieb:
How do these radios compare? They were both relatively modest relatives of the expensive rigs being sold at the time. Did you mean R-1000 and FRG-*7700*, by any chance? You can find some measurements for those (along with the FRG-100) on the Sherwood Engineering page: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html The Kenwood should be the better performing of the two overall. Note the comparatively high phase noise of these semi-synthesized sets. I think the Sony ICF-6800 employed a similar receiver concept. Not sure whether it's as closely related to the Wadley concept as you think... I suggest you get the R-1000 service manual off the web and read the functional description. Stephan -- Home: http://stephan.win31.de/ PC#6: i440BX, 2xP3-500E, 704 MiB, 250+80 GB, R9k AGP 64 MiB, 110W |
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Stephan Grossklass wrote:
Not sure whether it's as closely related to the Wadley concept as you think... Sorry about that.. I should have been more explicit. I meant to compare the r-1000 tuning to the Barlow-Wadley setup in the FRG-7. That Yaesu has the similar thirty band, 1 Mhz step switch along with the khz spread dial. Very similar, except for the digital readout. mike |
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In article Iylxe.102809$9A2.52247@edtnps89, m II wrote:
Stephan Grossklass wrote: Sorry about that.. I should have been more explicit. I meant to compare the r-1000 tuning to the Barlow-Wadley setup in the FRG-7. That Yaesu has the similar thirty band, 1 Mhz step switch along with the khz spread dial. Very similar, except for the digital readout. Having played with a FRG-7 at a shop a few times, the R-1000 is way better. You just turn the switch. And the digital readout tells you which MHz you've got. For the FRG-7, you have to tune around until you get the lock light to come one. Next, the R-1000 has only one local oscillator that matters. Which drives the first mixer which then feeds the 45.something MHz (fairly narrow) "roofing filter" for the first IF. So, no images. (For a reasonably wide definition of "no"). The minus side is that the actual oscillator (actually, one of a bank of them, selected from ranges of the 1 MHz switch) is part of a phase locked loop running at 45-75 MHz so is going to squiggle around a bit and allow the reciever to pick up adjacent signals as noise. I don't know the exact details of the FRG-7, but Barlow-Wadley receivers usually convert an entire 1 MHz wide block to their first IF and second IF, which is then tuned with using a VFO to the narrowband third IF, so there's plenty room for intermod, spurs and such. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
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m II schrieb:
Sorry about that.. I should have been more explicit. I meant to compare the r-1000 tuning to the Barlow-Wadley setup in the FRG-7. That Yaesu has the similar thirty band, 1 Mhz step switch along with the khz spread dial. Very similar, except for the digital readout. The FRG-7 is a true Wadley Loop design, three IFs and all. These are a bit problematic because of their very wide 1st IF (remember, 1 MHz spread) and thus plenty of potential for intermod. (The Sony analogs with the "dual conversion light" concept using 10.7 MHz / 455 kHz are a good example. My ICF-7601, while being fairly sensitive, regularly drove me nuts when the respective band got a bit more crowded. At least the FRG-7 uses a mixer based on a dual gate MOSFET.) The R-1000 is a fairly conventional dual conversion rig with a high 1st IF, only the frequency synthesis is a bit funky. (I'll have to look at it again one day, didn't really get the hang of it last time. Not too surprisingly, given my level or rather lack of experience in these things.) This generation of receivers - to which, as I mentioned, the FRG-7700 belonged as well - came out a few years after the venerable FRG-7. Stephan -- Home: http://stephan.win31.de/ PC#6: i440BX, 2xP3-500E, 704 MiB, 250+80 GB, R9k AGP 64 MiB, 110W |
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Stephan gave an extremely useful and comprehensive website for receiver
performance which I had not come across befo http://www.sherweng.com/table.html As a mediumwave DXer, Bob Sherwood ranks the various receiver performances by: "Sorted by Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced" which I know to be the MOST important spec in a MW DX receiver. Very informative and blows the lid on some very expensive receivers that just don't cut the cake. OTOH the AOR 7030 comes out smelling like roses just off the top of the pick. thanks for posting that Stephan -- John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods RX Drake R8B, SW8 & ERGO software Sony 7600D GE SRIII BW XCR 30, Braun T1000, Sangean 818 & 803A. Hallicrafters SX-100, Eddystone 940 GE circa 50's radiogram Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270 Kiwa MW Loop http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx "Stephan Grossklass" wrote in message ... m II schrieb: How do these radios compare? They were both relatively modest relatives of the expensive rigs being sold at the time. Did you mean R-1000 and FRG-*7700*, by any chance? You can find some measurements for those (along with the FRG-100) on the Sherwood Engineering page: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html The Kenwood should be the better performing of the two overall. Note the comparatively high phase noise of these semi-synthesized sets. I think the Sony ICF-6800 employed a similar receiver concept. Not sure whether it's as closely related to the Wadley concept as you think... I suggest you get the R-1000 service manual off the web and read the functional description. Stephan -- Home: http://stephan.win31.de/ PC#6: i440BX, 2xP3-500E, 704 MiB, 250+80 GB, R9k AGP 64 MiB, 110W |
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Good point Stephan! I obviously took his post literally and responded.
If he did mean FRG-7700 then definitely go with the R-1000. The 7700 I had was an absolute dud. Poor sensitivity and input bandpass filter performance. I got it new and even a re-alignment did nada. Frank K3YAZ Tucson |
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