"Unless it is called to account by people who know what they're talking
about, they [Leftists] will pretend to be civil libertarians, they will
pretend to be democrats, they will pretend to be for “peace.” They will
pretend to be humanitarians. But what they really are is America-hating
totalitarians who want the enemy to win."
_______________________________________________

Dishonest debating is a hallmark of the left. They usually open with an ad
hominem attack and follow it up with disingenuous prevarications, effete
canards and circuitous polemics. Most of their contentions are regurgitated
from other sources. (Originality of thought isn't their strong suit.) Their
favorite closing tactic is to accuse anyone that disagrees with them of
racism. This last technique is meant to stifle any debate whatsoever.

That means the rest of us are operating under a handicap because we tend
towards honesty. It's a lot easier to win an argument with sophisms than it
is with facts and reason. Being creative with the truth opens up a whole
world of specious possibilities. This makes countering even crude attempts
at sophistry difficult. Also, as you pointed out, leftists tend to be
stolidly resistant to inconvenient facts. Guys like us believe what we see.
Lefties see what they believe.

Of course, the left does not live by sophistry alone; it is also heavily
dependent on lies. One of the biggest lies of its campaign to support our
terrorist enemies and sabotage the cause of freedom in the Middle East is
its denial of Iraq's connection to anti-American terror in general and to
al-Qaeda in particular. This is especially remarkable considering that one
of the firm conclusions of the 9/11 commission was the connection between
al-Qaeda and Iraq. Weekly Standard reporter Stephen Hayes has been on top of
this story from the beginning and has just compiled the body of evidence
behind it:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...005/780plthl.a
sp

It isn’t often that the Left is forced to reveal itself, but in this
transcript of a “Michael Medved Show” segment with David Horowitz and Nation
writer Daniel Lazare that is exactly what happens in regard to the Left’s de
facto alliance with our terrorist enemies in Iraq and elsewhere. Lazare
begins by denying the reality of this "unholy alliance" – the title of David
Horowitz’s book – but ends up by professing his support for both the
“insurgents in Fallujah” and the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan in the
1980s, as well as expressing his view that the terrorists who are fighting
us are to be compared to the French Resistance fighting the Nazis during
World War II.
....
"...in the Cold War we had a very large Left that supported the Communist
enemy, we now have an even larger Left – since that old Communist,
“progressive” Left has combined with Muslim radicals to create a much larger
fifth column in this country – which wants us to lose this war and the War
on Terror generally."
....
"I grew up in the Communist movement. My parents were card-carrying
Communists. And so I can speak with authority on this because everybody that
I knew growing up was a Communist. They wanted the Soviet Union to win the
Cold War, just as the people who have led the demonstrations against the war
in Iraq understand that if the United States loses in Iraq the other side
will win. Consider the people who have led the demonstrations against the
war in Iraq. Leslie Cagan, the head of the coalition United for Peace and
Justice, is a lifelong Communist. She's still a member of the Communist
Party. She's a head of the “moderate” peace organization, United for Peace
and Justice. Cagan is a pro-Castro Communist. The more radical group,
International ANSWER – and these are the two groups that have organized all
the major demonstrations against the war – is a pro-North Korean,
Marxist/Leninist party, which has also defended the Serbian war criminal
[Slobodan] Milosevic, and just about every horrific international figure of
the last 50 years."

"At the Columbia teach-in against the war, Nicholas DeGenova said right out
that we should all wish for the United States to be defeated in Iraq. He
wished for “a million Mogadishus.” He was cheered when he said that, because
that's really what the Left thinks even though it puts on this false front –
which my parents were very good at, too – that it's for peace and justice
and so forth. But when you look at their actions, you can see that their
actions show quite the opposite. They want America to lose."
....
"The fact is that Osama bin Laden himself, on February 12 of 2003, which is
about four weeks before the United States troops entered Iraq, said on Al
Jazeera TV, “the interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists
coincide in the war against the crusaders.” But, of course, it's not just
words; it's deeds that link American leftists to the Islamic jihad. What
were all those people doing out in the streets demonstrating so soon after
9/11 against an American military response to a military attack? And then a
million of them – not just demonstrating for “peace” but denouncing George
Bush as Hitler, and America as the real “Axis of Evil?” What were Leslie
Cagan and Medea Benjamin, two of the most important leaders of the so-called
peace movement, doing organizing Iraq Occupation Watch to incite American
soldiers to defect, and using a Saddam Hussein supporter to run their
organization in Iraq?"
....
"This is the same ruse leftists used to rationalize their support for a
Communist victory in Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh – an operative of Stalin’s
Comintern who spent most of his life in Paris – was alleged to be the
“George Washington of Vietnam.” Here we have a classic example of how the
Left operates."
....
"The idea that we have invaded some innocent country, by the way is absurd.
We’ve been at war with Iraq since 1991, and they violated the terms of the
truce that ended that war. That’s why we’re there."
....
"Iraq invaded two countries: Iran and Kuwait. The truce that ended that war
was sealed by UN resolutions, which Saddam then proceeded for ten years to
systematically violate. We flew planes over that country daily in order to
protect the Kurds from being gassed by Saddam's air force. He was given an
ultimatum by the UN Security Council on November 8, 2002, which he didn't
meet. That’s the legal basis for this war, even though the Left chooses to
ignore it."
....
"...there wasn't one demonstration in front of the Iraqi embassy in the
entire lead-up to the war that said to Saddam, "Disarm. Obey the UN
resolution."
....
"In their hearts, these leftists hate America, and they want any enemy, even
if it's as horrible an enemy as Zarqawi, to triumph over us. And they will
use all manner of sophistry to excuse and defend their position and say, “Oh
yes, we’re critical of this and that in terms of what they do. We didn't
actually like them blowing up the World Trade Center, because that gave a
propaganda victory to the United States, and we don't like Zarqawi beheading
people, because that makes it harder for us to sell their cause.” But these
are minor points for them, that pale beside the fact that America is Nazi
Germany. The clear allegiance of leftists like Lazare is with the enemy and
against the United States. And this is true of hundreds of thousands of
American leftists who get a pass, of course, from our media, because our
media is so predisposed to support them."
....
"I think the audience has had a good look at how the American Left
dissembles. Unless it is called to account by people who know what they're
talking about, they will pretend to be civil libertarians, they will pretend
to be democrats, they will pretend to be for “peace.” They will pretend to
be humanitarians. But what they really are is America-hating totalitarians
who want the enemy to win."
....
"...there's a group called International Solidarity Movement, which is
holding conferences on American campuses, recruiting college students to go
to the Middle East and obstruct Israeli security officials who are trying to
protect Palestinians and Israelis from Islamic terrorists. There is the
National Lawyers Guild, which was created as a Communist front in the 1930s,
and the Center for Constitutional Rights, which provides all the lawyers
attacking John Ashcroft over the terrorist detainees in Guantanamo. These
groups, along with the ACLU, have organized more than 350 American cities to
pass resolutions of non-cooperation with Homeland Security, and
particularly, to forbid their police departments from cooperating with
immigration authorities. Of course, our borders are our most vulnerable
point in the War on Terror. These people are working for the enemy. And of
course, if you think this country is Nazi Germany, the moral position would
be to aid our enemies. But there are many Americans – many in our listening
audience out there – who do not believe their country is Hitler’s Germany.
They need to understand these leftists are their enemies and will help
people to kill them."
....
"I have tried to see what's going on in regard to the war in Iraq and the
War on Terror, within the framework of the American Left that really got its
foothold in America with the Russian Revolution in 1917. And this Left,
which developed its institutions and its culture and its organizations
during the Cold War and then the Vietnam War, has now gone into high gear
with America's War on Terror. And all I ask is that people understand – and
Daniel has made very clear – that these leftists, who supported the
Communist enemy in the Cold War, are identifying with the very people we're
fighting in the War on Terror. They think that we are – we're the bad guys
and we need to be defeated."
....
[Full interveiw]
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18633

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:24:05 -0500, "PartyChairman"
wrote:

Radical Fringe Playbook Rule #6

''When the message is unflattering, attack the messenger''.

__________________________________________________ ________

I must assume that you too are an anarchist pirate (whoever the hell
you are). Are you on the take, or are you merely hypnotized by their
flashy rhetoric? Or perhaps you are afraid of mad bombers and think
they will protect you by making people 8,000 miles away spend another
summer without air-conditioning.

Please enlighten us with your motivation for defending the criminals
who have stolen my country.

The only cards I carry are my DL and my HMO card.

David wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:24:05 -0500, "PartyChairman"
wrote:

Radical Fringe Playbook Rule #6

''When the message is unflattering, attack the messenger''.

__________________________________________________ ________

I must assume that you too are an anarchist pirate (whoever the hell
you are). Are you on the take, or are you merely hypnotized by their
flashy rhetoric? Or perhaps you are afraid of mad bombers and think
they will protect you by making people 8,000 miles away spend another
summer without air-conditioning.

Please enlighten us with your motivation for defending the criminals
who have stolen my country.

We only stole it back from crazy 'tards such as your self. We aim to keep it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:02:15 -0400, dxAce
wrote:


We only stole it back from crazy 'tards such as your self. We aim to keep it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



I don't think so, Ace. We caught you before you could finish stacking
the military with crazies. You guys have been exposed. It's over.

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:52:11 GMT, David wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:24:05 -0500, "PartyChairman"
wrote:

Radical Fringe Playbook Rule #6

''When the message is unflattering, attack the messenger''.

_________________________________________________ _________

I must assume that you too are an anarchist pirate (whoever the hell
you are). Are you on the take, or are you merely hypnotized by their
flashy rhetoric? Or perhaps you are afraid of mad bombers and think
they will protect you by making people 8,000 miles away spend another
summer without air-conditioning.

Please enlighten us with your motivation for defending the criminals
who have stolen my country.

The only cards I carry are my DL and my HMO card.

HMO card? If your's is like most, you should hope you never need any
emergency services!

David wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:02:15 -0400, dxAce
wrote:

We only stole it back from crazy 'tards such as your self. We aim to keep it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



I don't think so, Ace. We caught you before you could finish stacking
the military with crazies. You guys have been exposed. It's over.

Your biggest problem is that you don't think. We? You can't do jack about anything
but cry your eyes out 'tard boy.

You're delusional; seek professional help before it's too late.

As always, continue to tote.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

DaviD,

On 2 Jul 2005 17:27:39 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

DaviD,
.
" stacking the military with crazies. "
.
So this is what 'you' think of the Brave Men
and Women who serve in the US Military ?
.
Or are you just referring to the Officers
who Lead them ?
.
DaviD - Why do 'you' Hate and Disrespect
our American Soldiers ?
.
God {Allah} Bless America - Amen ~ RHF
[ God Bless All Those Who Serve in America's
Uniforms - amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ]
.

The sprawling campus of America's elite Air Force Academy is silent
for the summer holiday, but the din surrounding its role as an alleged
hot-bed of religious intolerance is only getting louder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4091956.stm

RHF wrote:

DaviD,
.
" stacking the military with crazies. "
.
So this is what 'you' think of the Brave Men
and Women who serve in the US Military ?
.
Or are you just referring to the Officers
who Lead them ?
.
DaviD - Why do 'you' Hate and Disrespect
our American Soldiers ?
.
God {Allah} Bless America - Amen ~ RHF
[ God Bless All Those Who Serve in America's
Uniforms - amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ]
.


I think David needs a good, old fashioned, military "Blanket party".
Don't forget to bring the scrub brushes and caustic floor cleaner for
the after party cleanup. I served, and made it home. others didn't,
and this little piece of crap hides behind a computer monitor and calls
the military names. That isn't very smart, is it?

If they were as corrupt as he claims, they would have sent a special
ops team to his home and blown it off the face of the earth.

--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

m II wrote:

David wrote:


The sprawling campus of America's elite Air Force Academy is silent
for the summer holiday, but the din surrounding its role as an alleged
hot-bed of religious intolerance is only getting louder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4091956.stm

This is another symptom of what you're describing. It's insanity. I found this
on a link from your page. A seven year old girl was suspended from a US school
because she told a kid he was going to hell for saying "I swear to God"

================================================== =====
Go ahead. Suspend 7 year olds for saying "hell", or carrying a pair of nail
clippers, or mentioning God at all. Censor Janet Jackson's right breast, and
bash anyone over the head, call 'em and enemy combatant and throw them in jail
for life if they disagree with anything Bush says!
How did we get here anyway? And is this where we really want to be? The fact
that I am addressing this on a British news server says so much about the
absurdity of where we are. Hell? Not yet but at this rate, the U.S. is
definitely beginning to feel like an embarrassing joke, at the very least!
Carla, USA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3462323.stm
================================================== ======

mike

If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your
choice.
--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida