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Maybe someone can get a clean shot!!!!!
SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she intends to
take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military operations in Iraq. "I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting," she said. Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on "vegetable oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her daughter. They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting her book, "My Life So Far" on Saturday. Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she's met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out," she said. Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement. "I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that." Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the country to drum up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not mean any harm by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her face at a signing. But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was friendly in Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold. Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. 07-24-05 22:19 EDT Copyright 2005 The Associated Press |
Burr wrote: Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. Good for you Burr, Forgive & forget.. Bury The Hatchet.. Hear she's gonna move to the Phillipines sometime soon.. |
Ya, Bury The Hatchet..
wrote in message oups.com... Burr wrote: Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. Good for you Burr, Forgive & forget.. Bury The Hatchet.. Hear she's gonna move to the Phillipines sometime soon.. |
Still up to her nasty Anti American crap again.And she once said she
found GOD.Give me a break! Maybe somebody CAN get a clean SHOT.Sometimes Prayers are answered.Let us Pray. cuhulin |
Marvelous! Will John "flip-flop" Kerry be with her?? How about that
flabby, drunk lard-ass Kennedy? Maybe he'll save Jane from drowning when her vegetable bus falls into the Rio Grande! |
She ought to go to Iraq and sit in her Anti Aircraft Gun seat.There are
a lot of straight shooters over there. cuhulin |
Jane Fonda visited Hanoi during the Vietnam War, at which time she accused
American soldiers of acting as "war criminals" Claimed that if Americans understood communism they would get down on their knees and pray for it to come. What Fonda did, in fact, far exceeds the actual conduct and activities of some of those who were convicted and imprisoned for their treasonous activity in World War II. By the time Fonda left for Hanoi, she was already immersed in the radicalized New Left culture of the late 1960s, and had already issued statements accusing American soldiers of acting as virtual "war criminals" who routinely tortured, raped and murdered innocent Vietnamese. She then joined forces with Tom Hayden, who had moved his activism in the direction of creating his own new anti-Vietnam war organization. Fonda's activities took place in the context of the vicious and inhumane treatment of American prisoners of war - treatment that violated every main tenet of the Geneva Convention, and which was on the level of the treatment given to concentration camp prisoners by the Nazis, and to World War II POWs by the Japanese. It was, as one former prisoner recounts, "a nightmare of hellish proportions that transformed civilized human beings into primal animals struggling to cling to some fleeting sense of what it means to be alive." [The Leftwing in America never protest against the enemy Communists in any conflict, NEVER!] Fonda attended forced and staged meetings with American POWs, who refused to cooperate or talk with her, and who went out of their way to ignore the pleas of their captors to acquiesce in the propaganda. Nevertheless, Fonda immediately went on the air and lied about her meetings, presenting phony stories about how well the captured troops were being treated at the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" POW camp. "They are all in good health," she said in yet another broadcast; "We had a very long.very open and casual talk. We exchanged ideas freely," and these men told her about their "sense of disgust of the war." None of what she said, of course, had an ounce of truth to it. As the Holzers put it: "These lies were simply more canned North Vietnamese propaganda, broadcast in furtherance of Fonda's intent to damage the United States and help the North Vietnamese." What she did was sordid, vile, unpatriotic and unconscionable, and as the Holzers write, "beneath contempt." She could have been indicted, and a jury of Fonda's peers would have had the opportunity to judge her actions. Her activities clearly fit the bill of giving distinct "aid and comfort" to America's enemies. It demoralized many of the soldiers, made things worse for the POWs, humanized the enemy to Americans at home, and gave the Hanoi regime confidence that it should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses, because propaganda such as that by Fonda would eventually allow them to gain the upper hand. We read the words of analyses by propaganda experts of her words, which makes it clear, as one former Brigadier General wrote, the intent of which was "to demoralize and discourage, stir dissent, and stimulate desertion." While on her book tour in Kansas City, a Vietnam veteran spat tobacco juice in Fonda's face. The man, who had waited in line for 90 minutes to meet Fonda, later told reporters that the actress/author was a "traitor" who had been spitting in the faces of war veterans for years, and that he had no regrets about what he had done to her: "There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did." Now, decades after Jane Fonda's trip, Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer, both of them writers as well as lawyers, have published a book that seeks to make the case that in fact, Jane Fonda engaged in acts that make her guilty of the actual legal grounds for treason, which as laid out in the Constitution, defines the act as "levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." To be found guilty, a person had to have two witnesses to the overt act they committed, or have made a full confession in an open court. In their book, Aid and Comfort:' Jane Fonda in North Vietnam (Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland and Company, 2002. 206 pp. $39.95), Henry Holzer makes it clear in his introduction that when he began his book, he too had no opinion about whether Jane Fonda had committed treason when she traveled to Hanoi in July of 1972. He decided to take a closer look at the actual text of her propaganda broadcasts made in Hanoi, what she said and did during her visit there, and what effect it had on those GI's who were being held as POW's. His conclusion was simply that there was "enough evidence to submit to a jury, that the jury could have convicted her, and that a conviction probably would have been upheld on appeal." Of course, not only did that not take place, but Jane Fonda went on to resume an illustrious career in Hollywood [always was a bastion of Communists - read the book Red Star Over Hollywood.], has received numerous awards, and has become, as Holzer writes, "an American icon." The Holzers' book, then, is written as an attempt to pursue justice. For this reader, the first part of the book is the most compelling, and indeed, a harrowing read. What the Holzers reveal is the full story of the torture, degradation and violations of common humanity inflicted upon American POWs by the North Vietnamese Communists. Of course, reports of this have been made by some of those who suffered directly. But with the attention of Americans and the media at the time, and long after, on the horrors of the war, somehow or other, the story of what happened to American prisoners of Hanoi got lost. The Holzers shed more light on this, and bring to the story the sordid role played by Fonda in responsibility for the misery they suffered. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1468 |
Castro had sent some of his thugs over there to Hanoie,beating up on
American Prisoners of War with fan belts and other things. cuhulin |
Burr wrote: SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she intends to take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military operations in Iraq. "I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting," she said. Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on "vegetable oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her daughter. They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting her book, "My Life So Far" on Saturday. Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she's met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out," she said. Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement. "I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that." Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the country to drum up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not mean any harm by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her face at a signing. But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was friendly in Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold. Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. Oh, good, I can hardly wait for the Hanoi Jane entourage to show up in my city for anti-Iraq war demonstrations. Say, I have a better idea, why don't they drive their environmentally proper vegetable-oil-burning-bus to Iraq, settle in with some of the insurgents and maybe set up a bookstore. Yes, I can see it now. In some bombed out shell of a building a new beginning: Fallujah Jane's Mostly Used Books, J. Fonda, prop. All fading traitors should get one more chance to replay their moment of notoriety. I think I will plan a vacation in some other state. BTW, I disagree with the reasons used to justify our being in Iraq, but would never see Hanoi Jane as a spokesperson for those who oppose our current involvement. |
Michael Lawson wrote: "John S." wrote in message oups.com... Burr wrote: SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she intends to take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military operations in Iraq. "I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting," she said. Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on "vegetable oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her daughter. They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting her book, "My Life So Far" on Saturday. Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she's met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out," she said. Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement. "I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that." Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the country to drum up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not mean any harm by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her face at a signing. But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was friendly in Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold. Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. Oh, good, I can hardly wait for the Hanoi Jane entourage to show up in my city for anti-Iraq war demonstrations. Say, I have a better idea, why don't they drive their environmentally proper vegetable-oil-burning-bus to Iraq, settle in with some of the insurgents and maybe set up a bookstore. Yes, I can see it now. In some bombed out shell of a building a new beginning: Fallujah Jane's Mostly Used Books, J. Fonda, prop. All fading traitors should get one more chance to replay their moment of notoriety. I think I will plan a vacation in some other state. BTW, I disagree with the reasons used to justify our being in Iraq, but would never see Hanoi Jane as a spokesperson for those who oppose our current involvement. All that's old is new again. Unfortunately. Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement. Missed that movement completely...and I was around for thr original hippie movement. |
"John S." wrote in message oups.com... Burr wrote: SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she intends to take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military operations in Iraq. "I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting," she said. Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on "vegetable oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her daughter. They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting her book, "My Life So Far" on Saturday. Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she's met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out," she said. Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement. "I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that." Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the country to drum up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not mean any harm by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her face at a signing. But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was friendly in Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold. Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. Oh, good, I can hardly wait for the Hanoi Jane entourage to show up in my city for anti-Iraq war demonstrations. Say, I have a better idea, why don't they drive their environmentally proper vegetable-oil-burning-bus to Iraq, settle in with some of the insurgents and maybe set up a bookstore. Yes, I can see it now. In some bombed out shell of a building a new beginning: Fallujah Jane's Mostly Used Books, J. Fonda, prop. All fading traitors should get one more chance to replay their moment of notoriety. I think I will plan a vacation in some other state. BTW, I disagree with the reasons used to justify our being in Iraq, but would never see Hanoi Jane as a spokesperson for those who oppose our current involvement. All that's old is new again. Unfortunately. Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement. --Mike L. |
"John S." wrote in message oups.com... Michael Lawson wrote: "John S." wrote in message oups.com... Burr wrote: SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she intends to take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military operations in Iraq. "I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting," she said. Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on "vegetable oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her daughter. They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting her book, "My Life So Far" on Saturday. Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she's met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out," she said. Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement. "I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that." Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the country to drum up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not mean any harm by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her face at a signing. But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was friendly in Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold. Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. Oh, good, I can hardly wait for the Hanoi Jane entourage to show up in my city for anti-Iraq war demonstrations. Say, I have a better idea, why don't they drive their environmentally proper vegetable-oil-burning-bus to Iraq, settle in with some of the insurgents and maybe set up a bookstore. Yes, I can see it now. In some bombed out shell of a building a new beginning: Fallujah Jane's Mostly Used Books, J. Fonda, prop. All fading traitors should get one more chance to replay their moment of notoriety. I think I will plan a vacation in some other state. BTW, I disagree with the reasons used to justify our being in Iraq, but would never see Hanoi Jane as a spokesperson for those who oppose our current involvement. All that's old is new again. Unfortunately. Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement. Missed that movement completely...and I was around for thr original hippie movement. Happened around 87-92, mainly late high school and college age people, and was probably triggered by all the "Summer of Love" retrospectives and Beatles shows on television at the time. The Val Kilmer movie, The Doors, probably helped feed it too. The movement really didn't stand for anything other than acting like a hippie and thinking you were cool for doing so. Grunge swept both the pseudo hippies and the LA metal sound out from the public's eye. --Mike L. |
I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to suggest
such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's views of behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth"). |
"uncle arnie" wrote in message ... I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to suggest such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's views of behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth"). Expressing your view and committing Treason (Fonda), Terrorism, Murder, etc., are completely different issues. Or don't they teach you that in your country? The poster expressed his view which is allowed under our Constitution. Do you have a problem with him expressing his view because it is contrary to your own? That could be construed as being dictatorial. Is that the founding principle of your country? |
Maybe she could work a stop in at the Local VA Hospital.
She could park her bus right out front where she could be sure everyone would see her and have a clear field of "site"!!! |
"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message ... Jane Fonda visited Hanoi during the Vietnam War, at which time she accused American soldiers of acting as "war criminals" Claimed that if Americans understood communism they would get down on their knees and pray for it to come. What Fonda did, in fact, far exceeds the actual conduct and activities of some of those who were convicted and imprisoned for their treasonous activity in World War II. By the time Fonda left for Hanoi, she was already immersed in the radicalized New Left culture of the late 1960s, and had already issued statements accusing American soldiers of acting as virtual "war criminals" who routinely tortured, raped and murdered innocent Vietnamese. She then joined forces with Tom Hayden, who had moved his activism in the direction of creating his own new anti-Vietnam war organization. Fonda's activities took place in the context of the vicious and inhumane treatment of American prisoners of war - treatment that violated every main tenet of the Geneva Convention, and which was on the level of the treatment given to concentration camp prisoners by the Nazis, and to World War II POWs by the Japanese. It was, as one former prisoner recounts, "a nightmare of hellish proportions that transformed civilized human beings into primal animals struggling to cling to some fleeting sense of what it means to be alive." [The Leftwing in America never protest against the enemy Communists in any conflict, NEVER!] Fonda attended forced and staged meetings with American POWs, who refused to cooperate or talk with her, and who went out of their way to ignore the pleas of their captors to acquiesce in the propaganda. Nevertheless, Fonda immediately went on the air and lied about her meetings, presenting phony stories about how well the captured troops were being treated at the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" POW camp. "They are all in good health," she said in yet another broadcast; "We had a very long.very open and casual talk. We exchanged ideas freely," and these men told her about their "sense of disgust of the war." None of what she said, of course, had an ounce of truth to it. As the Holzers put it: "These lies were simply more canned North Vietnamese propaganda, broadcast in furtherance of Fonda's intent to damage the United States and help the North Vietnamese." What she did was sordid, vile, unpatriotic and unconscionable, and as the Holzers write, "beneath contempt." She could have been indicted, and a jury of Fonda's peers would have had the opportunity to judge her actions. Her activities clearly fit the bill of giving distinct "aid and comfort" to America's enemies. It demoralized many of the soldiers, made things worse for the POWs, humanized the enemy to Americans at home, and gave the Hanoi regime confidence that it should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses, because propaganda such as that by Fonda would eventually allow them to gain the upper hand. We read the words of analyses by propaganda experts of her words, which makes it clear, as one former Brigadier General wrote, the intent of which was "to demoralize and discourage, stir dissent, and stimulate desertion." While on her book tour in Kansas City, a Vietnam veteran spat tobacco juice in Fonda's face. The man, who had waited in line for 90 minutes to meet Fonda, later told reporters that the actress/author was a "traitor" who had been spitting in the faces of war veterans for years, and that he had no regrets about what he had done to her: "There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did." Now, decades after Jane Fonda's trip, Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer, both of them writers as well as lawyers, have published a book that seeks to make the case that in fact, Jane Fonda engaged in acts that make her guilty of the actual legal grounds for treason, which as laid out in the Constitution, defines the act as "levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." To be found guilty, a person had to have two witnesses to the overt act they committed, or have made a full confession in an open court. In their book, Aid and Comfort:' Jane Fonda in North Vietnam (Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland and Company, 2002. 206 pp. $39.95), Henry Holzer makes it clear in his introduction that when he began his book, he too had no opinion about whether Jane Fonda had committed treason when she traveled to Hanoi in July of 1972. He decided to take a closer look at the actual text of her propaganda broadcasts made in Hanoi, what she said and did during her visit there, and what effect it had on those GI's who were being held as POW's. His conclusion was simply that there was "enough evidence to submit to a jury, that the jury could have convicted her, and that a conviction probably would have been upheld on appeal." Of course, not only did that not take place, but Jane Fonda went on to resume an illustrious career in Hollywood [always was a bastion of Communists - read the book Red Star Over Hollywood.], has received numerous awards, and has become, as Holzer writes, "an American icon." The Holzers' book, then, is written as an attempt to pursue justice. For this reader, the first part of the book is the most compelling, and indeed, a harrowing read. What the Holzers reveal is the full story of the torture, degradation and violations of common humanity inflicted upon American POWs by the North Vietnamese Communists. Of course, reports of this have been made by some of those who suffered directly. But with the attention of Americans and the media at the time, and long after, on the horrors of the war, somehow or other, the story of what happened to American prisoners of Hanoi got lost. The Holzers shed more light on this, and bring to the story the sordid role played by Fonda in responsibility for the misery they suffered. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1468 IMHO she should not have been allowed back into the country. I'm not surprised Hollywood accepted her back and made her rich. Now, even IF the war was wrong, you don't do what she did. You fight the war at home and protest, not use your fame to show the whole world how you feel and disrepect the country, the soldiers and the American people. How she was not severely "injured" when she came back is very surprising. I guess people didn't want to lower themselves to less then her level. Lucky |
All that's old is new again. Unfortunately. Kinda like the late 80's pseudo-hippie movement. Missed that movement completely...and I was around for thr original hippie movement. Happened around 87-92, mainly late high school and college age people, and was probably triggered by all the "Summer of Love" retrospectives and Beatles shows on television at the time. The Val Kilmer movie, The Doors, probably helped feed it too. The movement really didn't stand for anything other than acting like a hippie and thinking you were cool for doing so. Grunge swept both the pseudo hippies and the LA metal sound out from the public's eye. They're wannabe hippies attracted to the colorful clothes, flower power language of the 60's and early 70's and grainy movies of happenings at outdoor rock concerts. What they were missing was the reality of a portion of a generation of kids caught up in a lot of drug use (opening ones mind) and living in truly deplorable conditions (communes and Haight-Ashbury). Fortunately many of them grew up and became contributing members of society. |
SeeingEyeDog wrote:
"uncle arnie" wrote in message ... I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to suggest such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's views of behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth"). Expressing your view and committing Treason (Fonda), Terrorism, Murder, etc., are completely different issues. Or don't they teach you that in your country? The poster expressed his view which is allowed under our Constitution. Do you have a problem with him expressing his view because it is contrary to your own? That could be construed as being dictatorial. Is that the founding principle of your country? Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with advocating violence. |
uncle arnie wrote: SeeingEyeDog wrote: "uncle arnie" wrote in message ... I hope you mean either with a camera or at you. Pretty ignorant to suggest such violence regardless of your disagreement with someone's views of behaviour. I thought your country's founding principles included such freedoms (or perhaps this is a "founding myth"). Expressing your view and committing Treason (Fonda), Terrorism, Murder, etc., are completely different issues. Or don't they teach you that in your country? The poster expressed his view which is allowed under our Constitution. Do you have a problem with him expressing his view because it is contrary to your own? That could be construed as being dictatorial. Is that the founding principle of your country? Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with advocating violence. I agree with Arnie 100% on this. Threats or suggestions of violence have NO place on this group. |
"Burr" wrote in message news:aTdFe.1891$Eo3.739@trnddc08... SANTA FE (July 24) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she intends to take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military operations in Iraq. "I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting," she said. Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on "vegetable oil." She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her daughter. They plan to return to the Santa Fe area where she was promoting her book, "My Life So Far" on Saturday. Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she's met on a cross-country book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out," she said. Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement. "I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam," she said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that." Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the country to drum up support to end the war. She has repeatedly said she did not mean any harm by the photos. Earlier this year, a Vietnam veteran spat in her face at a signing. But, except for one booing audience member, the reception was friendly in Santa Fe. More than 500 copies of her book were sold. Charles Powell, a member of Albuquerque's Veterans for Peace, said he believes Fonda's actions in Vietnam should be forgiven. "We accept her apology and feel that she should be treated like a human being," Powell said. 07-24-05 22:19 EDT Copyright 2005 The Associated Press It's about time for people to start coming out against this insane, wrong-war that should never have happened. Peter |
They died because of poitics and politicians.Or,politicians and
politics.We never lost a Battle in Vietnam (I was there too,in 1964 and so was my brother in 1962 and 1964,he had put in a request to go back to Vietnam,1964) When the U.S.fed govt hands over a set of papers of where U.S.A.is going to bomb next (Vietnam Conflict) to the North Vietnamese in that U.N.building in New York City,how on Earth are we (the Vietnam Veterans) expected to Win? It was politics and politicians that lost the Vietnam Conflict.Vietnam Veterans DID NOT LOSE! cuhulin |
"Leonard Martin" wrote We marched over there, stepped into an ongoing civil war, picked a side, and used our superior technology to kil hundreds of thousands of the people of that country. And we did it in the name of an obscure concept called "the domino theory" that, in the unlikely event that it came to pass, would simply have insulated a part of the world from the utter insatiability of American business. If any country did that to "real people", i.e., whites, you would be so incensed that you and your macho buddies would be breaking out your guns to go fight the good fight against it. I doubt you'd have any "respect" for that country whatsoever. The US deserved none either. Leonard Unfortunately for you, you have very little knowledge of factual history in respect to the Vietnam conflict. It was people like you making ignorant comments such as yours that is responsible for those millions who perished after the U.S. withdrew in the resulting Communist death camps of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam and continues to this day in Burma, N.Korea, and the Big Red Star - China. Our soldiers, the allied Vietnamese soldiers, the Hmong, and our own soldiers, all died in vein. All because of YOU! Your a fine Patriot. |
Fortunately for me,I have much more common sense than you will ever
have. cuhulin |
Radical Right wrote:
"Leonard Martin" wrote We marched over there, stepped into an ongoing civil war, picked a side, and used our superior technology to kil hundreds of thousands of the people of that country. And we did it in the name of an obscure concept called "the domino theory" that, in the unlikely event that it came to pass, would simply have insulated a part of the world from the utter insatiability of American business. If any country did that to "real people", i.e., whites, you would be so incensed that you and your macho buddies would be breaking out your guns to go fight the good fight against it. I doubt you'd have any "respect" for that country whatsoever. The US deserved none either. Leonard Unfortunately for you, you have very little knowledge of factual history in respect to the Vietnam conflict. It was people like you making ignorant comments such as yours that is responsible for those millions who perished after the U.S. withdrew in the resulting Communist death camps of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam and continues to this day in Burma, N.Korea, and the Big Red Star - China. Our soldiers, the allied Vietnamese soldiers, the Hmong, and our own soldiers, all died in vein. All because of YOU! Your a fine Patriot. Too bad the USA rejected the constitution written in 1945 modelled on the USA's constitution and handed Viet Nam back to the French. This pushed VN into the communist orbit. We may feel sorry for the soldiers and civilians killed in the southeast Asian wars, while all the leaders should be held accountable from all sides. Subsequent events would suggest the communist threat was illusory, that short term planning and alliances have lead to subsequent dangerous circumstances, and it is all really about money and power, and not at all about principles such as freedom. |
He wasn't advocating violence. He was advocating Justice!!!
Had you committed treason like Jane Fonda you would have spent time in prison or have been shot by a firing squad. I advocate the latter. __________________________________________________ _________ Lawyers Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer seeks to make the case that in fact, Jane Fonda engaged in acts that make her guilty of the actual legal grounds for treason, which as laid out in the Constitution, defines the act as "levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Their conclusion was simply that there was "enough evidence to submit to a jury, that the jury could have convicted her, and that a conviction probably would have been upheld on appeal." http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1468 "uncle arnie" wrote Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with advocating violence. |
Woulda, coulda, blah blah blah.
The Facts of MURDER's of millions upon millions BY COMMUNIST GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE speaks for itself. That's is one little factoid that you have no basis to excuse or deny. Yet, you are full of propagandist excuses. But why should anyone have expected anything less. The responsibility of those millions dead rests upon YOU! "uncle arnie" wrote in message ... Radical Right wrote: "Leonard Martin" wrote We marched over there, stepped into an ongoing civil war, picked a side, and used our superior technology to kil hundreds of thousands of the people of that country. And we did it in the name of an obscure concept called "the domino theory" that, in the unlikely event that it came to pass, would simply have insulated a part of the world from the utter insatiability of American business. If any country did that to "real people", i.e., whites, you would be so incensed that you and your macho buddies would be breaking out your guns to go fight the good fight against it. I doubt you'd have any "respect" for that country whatsoever. The US deserved none either. Leonard Unfortunately for you, you have very little knowledge of factual history in respect to the Vietnam conflict. It was people like you making ignorant comments such as yours that is responsible for those millions who perished after the U.S. withdrew in the resulting Communist death camps of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam and continues to this day in Burma, N.Korea, and the Big Red Star - China. Our soldiers, the allied Vietnamese soldiers, the Hmong, and our own soldiers, all died in vein. All because of YOU! Your a fine Patriot. Too bad the USA rejected the constitution written in 1945 modelled on the USA's constitution and handed Viet Nam back to the French. This pushed VN into the communist orbit. We may feel sorry for the soldiers and civilians killed in the southeast Asian wars, while all the leaders should be held accountable from all sides. Subsequent events would suggest the communist threat was illusory, that short term planning and alliances have lead to subsequent dangerous circumstances, and it is all really about money and power, and not at all about principles such as freedom. |
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What you suggest is justice is actually lynching. It would be interesting
to actually have such a trial BEFORE the execution. Such a trial would provide a forum where the accused could raise all of the issues, including the lawfulness of the war. SeeingEyeDog wrote: He wasn't advocating violence. He was advocating Justice!!! Had you committed treason like Jane Fonda you would have spent time in prison or have been shot by a firing squad. I advocate the latter. __________________________________________________ _________ Lawyers Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer seeks to make the case that in fact, Jane Fonda engaged in acts that make her guilty of the actual legal grounds for treason, which as laid out in the Constitution, defines the act as "levying War against them, or, in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Their conclusion was simply that there was "enough evidence to submit to a jury, that the jury could have convicted her, and that a conviction probably would have been upheld on appeal." http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=1468 "uncle arnie" wrote Expressing a view and suggesting shooting another person are different things. This has nothing to do with viewpoints and everything to do with advocating violence. |
Yeah!
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"Leonard Martin" wrote in message We marched over there, stepped into an ongoing civil war, picked a side, and used our superior technology to kil hundreds of thousands of the people of that country. And we did it in the name of an obscure concept called "the domino theory" that, in the unlikely event that it came to pass, would simply have insulated a part of the world from the utter insatiability of American business. If any country did that to "real people", i.e., whites, you would be so incensed that you and your macho buddies would be breaking out your guns to go fight the good fight against it. I doubt you'd have any "respect" for that country whatsoever. The US deserved none either. Leonard And your next lesson will be the spelling of the word "DOLT" -- 73 and good DX. B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm |
The death penalty is a possible sentence for Treason. Only a leftist commie
sympathizer would refer to it as a lynching - LOL. The only issue would be her "Aid and Comfort to the enemy" and would have nothing to do about the issues of the war itself. It doesn't matter what her political views are or if the war was justified. She committed Treason and at the very least put American soldiers in danger - period. Spy's have been executed during peacetime. She committed Treason during wartime. Have you no sense? A book was written about Hanoi Jane by two lawyers and is noted in this thread. I suggest you put down the Leftist propaganda newspaper and read a real book once in a while. "uncle arnie" wrote in message ... What you suggest is justice is actually lynching. It would be interesting to actually have such a trial BEFORE the execution. Such a trial would provide a forum where the accused could raise all of the issues, including the lawfulness of the war. |
Shooting or Hanging for Traitors,is my Vote.I think I prefer stringing
them up in the public square. cuhulin |
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"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message ... The death penalty is a possible sentence for Treason. Only a leftist commie sympathizer would refer to it as a lynching - LOL. Lynching, so far as I am aware, refers to hanging of a person without benefit of a trial. The definition could have changed.. YMMV. However, the killing of any person without benefit of a trial is murder, irregardless of the crime of which they are accused. |
Awwww,cry me a River.Stop your tears and stop blubberin.
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message ... The death penalty is a possible sentence for Treason. Only a leftist commie sympathizer would refer to it as a lynching - LOL. Lynching, so far as I am aware, refers to hanging of a person without benefit of a trial. The definition could have changed.. YMMV. Funny coincidence department. I've always been under the same impression, but I've been studying up on the subject recently and have learned that it means (and always has) execution without the benefit of due process, usually by a mob. (I'm not sure where the exact line between straight out, plain old murder and a lynching murder is.) It's just that hanging was the usual method in the U.S. and so we make the connection between the two. However, the killing of any person without benefit of a trial is murder, irregardless of the crime of which they are accused. Irregardless isn't a word, either. ;) |
Brian Hill wrote:
And your next lesson will be the spelling of the word "DOLT" ooohh..ooh..I know that one ..pick me..pick me! D--X--A--C--E mike |
Honus wrote:
Irregardless isn't a word, either. ;) I find it disorientated myself... mike |
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"Honus" wrote in message news:UrzGe.64$4e6.47@trnddc04... However, the killing of any person without benefit of a trial is murder, irregardless of the crime of which they are accused. Irregardless isn't a word, either. ;) From Merriam Webster online: One entry found for irregardless. Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless nonstandard : REGARDLESS usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead. |
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