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[email protected] July 29th 05 09:32 PM

I been rollin ever since the day I was borned in that big old house that
used to be on Main Street catty corner across from the Mann Ford
dealership that used to be on main street (one day when I was a
kid,somehow or the other a cat "managed" to get his head stuck in a
glass quart jar in our front yard,one of those guys at the Ford
dealership [[that was back around 1944,believe it or not,I still
remember that]] came over and broke that glass quart jar away from that
poor cat's head,,, Honest,I have no idea of how that cat got his head
stuck in that glass quart jar,and that time I was rockin in a rocking on
our front porch and that cat got his tail under that rocker,that one
wasen't my fault!) (I used to sit in a Chinaberry tree in our front yard
and push and pull those limbs around,pretending I was a World War Two
Bomber Pilot) in Carthage,Mississippi. www.thecarthaginian.com It
was on a Wednesday afternoon at 3:30 in the afternoon on November
5,1941.It was so bad,World War Two broke out about a month later.The Day
that shall Live In Infamy.So,yeah,I am on a roll,why shouldn't I be?
Life is short.
cuhulin


Brian Hill July 29th 05 09:33 PM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message Again, both views
require a leap-of-faith at some point. And both are
impossible to prove. However, if I'm wrong then I've done no harm to
myself. If the non-believers are wrong, then they may well pay a dear
price
for it.

-=jd=-



I guess we're kinda on the same page jd. I think the answer lies beyond the
known universe as well. Hey I was reading in Pop Sci. or Omni? that it's
becoming commonly accepted by quantum physicist and other scientist studying
theoretical phisics that the existence of up to eleven different dimensions
may exist. Look up Superstring theory and M string. Can you beleive that in
some other dimention Rickets "may" actually may have a brain?

A couple of my sayings:

A million years from now they'll refer to this period as the Magical Stupid
Age :)

I don't believe in Heaven but I would like to qualify for it in the event
I'm wrong. :)
--
73 and good DX. B.H.
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm



[email protected] July 29th 05 09:34 PM

I much rather be on a roll than living a lie.Anyday!
cuhulin


[email protected] July 29th 05 09:37 PM

I call all Muslims,Moslems,whatever,ALL a bunch of COWARDS!
cuhulin


[email protected] July 29th 05 09:40 PM

A million years from now? I don't want to be around.
cuhulin


David July 29th 05 09:49 PM

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:37:44 -0500, wrote:

I call all Muslims,Moslems,whatever,ALL a bunch of COWARDS!
cuhulin

They are many bad things, but being willing to blow yourself up for a
cause is not cowardly.


David July 29th 05 09:53 PM

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:34:46 -0500, wrote:

I much rather be on a roll than living a lie.Anyday!
cuhulin

Now believe me when I tell you that my song is really true

I want everyone to listen and believe

Its about some little people from a long time ago

And all the things the neighbors didnt know early in the morning daddy
dinky went to work

Selling lamps & chairs to san berdino squares

And I still remember mama with her apron & her pad

Feeding all the boys at eds cafe!



Whizzing & pasting & pooting through the day

(ronnie helping kenny helping burn his poots away!)

And all the while on a shelf in the shed:

Kennys little creatures on display!





Ronnie saves his numies on a window in his room

(a marvel to be seen: dysentery green)

While kenny & his buddies had a game out in the back:

Lets make the water turn black





We see them after school in a world of their own

(to some it might seem creepy what they do...)

The neighbors on the right sat & watched them every night

(I bet youd do the same if they was you)



Whizzing & pasting & pooting through the day

(ronnie helping kenny helping burn his poots away!)

And all the while on a shelf in the shed:

Kennys little creatures on display!





Ronnies in the army now & kennys taking pills

Oh! how they yearn to see a bomber burn!

Color flashing, thunder crashing, dynamite machine!

(wait till the fire turns green...

Wait till the fire turns green)

Wait till the fire turns green









Brian Hill July 29th 05 09:55 PM


"David" wrote in message


They are many bad things, but being willing to blow yourself up for a
cause is not cowardly.


Is that your next step Dave? Please show us your not a coward.

B.H.



[email protected] July 29th 05 11:35 PM

rickets,,,, BULL****!!!
cuhulin


Honus July 30th 05 12:47 AM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...

If you want to believe everything evolved or "just happened" by pure,
random chance, then that same logic would have you believe that a tornado
could pass through a junk-yard and spit out a functioning Boeing 747, just
by pure, random chance.


That, of course, is a -thorough- mischaracterization of biological
evolution.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html



David July 30th 05 03:04 AM

If the tornado was really big and lasted a billion years...


[email protected] July 30th 05 03:43 AM


John Smith wrote:
David:

You have two choices, either a creator made us, or we came from a mud puddle. There are problems with both of these:


Why only two choices? Most real-world problems have more than two
choices. Shouldn't ever stop thinking at two. This is a thinking
disorder that most of humanity has had, to stop with dualism when there
are almost always more options.

Maybe a Creator made us from a mud puddle from evolution (just to offer
a third alternative), or maybe a Creator made evolution (the laws of
the universe and conditions necessary for life itself) and sat back and
watched the rules He/She/It/They put into place create us while sipping
a nice cianti. :)


1) If we are the product of a creator, we would be expecting angles.


If we are the product of a Creator, then we may or may not be provided
with proof. That would depend a lot on what the Creator wanted us to
know, how much evidence we've observed, and how smart we are. :)

The scientific method, while not the only possible way to discover
truth, is stunningly successful at self-correcting its own errors and
approaching truth. The proof it, it works. No amount of philosophy or
prayer or faith will get you to the moon and back or compute a trillion
floating point math operations per second. Science does. It works, and
finds its own mistakes over time.

Every scientific-method claim must, *by definition*, be DISPROVABLE by
experiment. If you can formulate a hypothesis and an experiment and the
hypothesis makes a wrong prediction, you can toss it out. If it
withstands a lot of attacks of this sort, it gradually goes from a
hypothesis to a theory. (A theory is basically established fact
until something upsets it. In scientific terms, something doesn't get
to be called a "theory" until it is very comprehensively in accordance
with observed facts.)

The relevance here is, you cannot possibly prove or disprove the
existance of angels in a hard-science way. Unless you can give me a
reason to believe that angels necessarily prove the existence of God or
the lack of angels prove the non-existance of God, or for that matter
proving that angels exist, is all completely outside the realm of
science.

That said, evolution is the only (and nearly universally-accepted)
explanation for life on earth, which is backed by many different
independent observations from different fields of science. Not just
archeology, but geology, astronomy, cosmology, chemistry, nuclear
science, even radio (cosmic background radiation). They all point to a
universe about 11 +/- 0.2 billion years old which had to be
uninhabitable for an awfully long time after the initial moment of
creation. Not 7 days. And species clearly sprang into being at many
different times throughout geologic history, not all at once over 7
days.

Does this disprove the existence of God? Not at all. It does disprove
creationist arguments, comprehensively. If life was created by
intention, it was done gradually over millions of our years. Angels or
no. :)




2) If we are the product of a mud puddle, we are waiting for an alien. As obviously, there are millions, perhaps billions of planets out there with mud puddles on them, and some were probably able to crawl out of those mud puddles before we got our start here.


The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has the perfect counter-argument
to this.

The Universe:
Area - Infinite
Infinite : Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much
bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning
size, real "wow, that's big," time. Infinity is just so big that by
comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by
staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across
here.

Add to that, the Universe is staggeringly old.

Even if the Universe is teeming with life (and I believe it is for
several reasons), the chances that the nearest life is close enough to
detect us, let alone visit us, is probably miniscule. See also: Drake
equation.

I tend to believe there is intention of sorts behind the Universe. But
I'm not going to be stupid and deny what's been proven, which is life
has been on this Earth for eons and many species alive today weren't
alive until comparatively recently.

It's clear the fault isn't with God, but with our tiny-minded ways of
conceiving of God. Dogma is the enemy of truth.

-- Ross



John

"David" wrote in message ...
On 26 Jul 2005 10:03:55 -0700, "John S." wrote:



wrote:
www.worldnetdaily.com Some muslim TERRORIST are "upset" because
Michael Graham,radio talk show host at WMAL - AM's late morning call in
program repeatedly described Islam on the air a Terrorist organization
that is at War with America.Three Cheers for Michael Graham.Hip Hip
Hooray! Hip Hip Hooray! Hip Hip Hooray! Hang in there,Michael Graham,you
pegged them exactly right.
cuhulin

One could make an equally illogical connection between the Catholic
Church and the IRA.

All religions suck big donkey dicks. Worst thing to ever happen to
mankind was God.



[email protected] July 30th 05 04:07 AM

I was over at my webtv female webtv address (Hey,if Johnny Cash can have
a name like Sue,I can have me a name like Alice,now shut up and get over
it!) and looking at some girls private pics and camcorder videos.Woof,I
have to take me a break for a while.
cuhulin


m II July 30th 05 04:10 AM

David wrote:

Lets make the water turn black



....but shouldn't Zappa get a bit of credit for this?



mike

Honus July 30th 05 06:58 AM


"David" wrote in message
...
If the tornado was really big and lasted a billion years...


You'd still have nothing but a big mess on your hands.



Brenda Ann July 30th 05 12:49 PM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...


But to say that an amoeba becomes a fish; becomes a lizard; becomes a
hominid... The fossil record will only take you so far, after which, you
have to "use your imagination" to make a leap in the direction your

current
belief(s) want you to go. Where are the transitional forms? Until they are
produced, then evolution (to me, anyway) is just as faith-based as
creation.

Then there is another point of view, that being that creationists and
evolutionists are both right. In a grossly over-simplified "nut-shell"
description: someone set up all the dominoes in a certain design and then
tipped over the first one (Big-Bang) to start the whole process...



I tend to fall into the category that subscribes to this latter point of
view, but even that requires faith, as does most anything in life.

As for the fossil record, there may not be sufficient "transitional forms"
to prove one way or the other. Since evolution is a process of mutation,
it's likely that only successful mutations survived long enough to leave a
sufficient record. Other mutations may not have been viable and therefore
left no record. This argument leans toward the egg side of the chicken/egg
argument because whence the chicken came may not have been a chicken in this
case.

But I ramble. Nice to see an intelligent argument for a change.




David July 30th 05 02:22 PM

On 30 Jul 2005 11:43:35 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:



Then there is another point of view, that being that creationists and
evolutionists are both right. In a grossly over-simplified "nut-shell"
description: someone set up all the dominoes in a certain design and then
tipped over the first one (Big-Bang) to start the whole process...

-=jd=-

God is a mollusk.


David July 30th 05 02:23 PM

On 29 Jul 2005 19:43:52 -0700, wrote:

Nothing is infinite.


David July 30th 05 03:41 PM

On 30 Jul 2005 14:27:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 30 Jul 2005 09:22:57a, David wrote in message
:

On 30 Jul 2005 11:43:35 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:



Then there is another point of view, that being that creationists and
evolutionists are both right. In a grossly over-simplified "nut-shell"
description: someone set up all the dominoes in a certain design and then
tipped over the first one (Big-Bang) to start the whole process...

-=jd=-


God is a mollusk.


That speaks volumes about you.


-=jd=-

The fact that primitive man had to characterize ''God'' as humanoid
speaks volumes about you.


David July 30th 05 03:41 PM

On 30 Jul 2005 14:26:50 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 30 Jul 2005 09:23:40a, David wrote in message
:

On 29 Jul 2005 19:43:52 -0700, wrote:

Nothing is infinite.



Prove it.

-=jd=-

Nobody knows everything.


[email protected] July 30th 05 03:55 PM

I believe creationist and evolutionist are both right.We were created
and we evolve.But,that is only my opinion.
cuhulin


[email protected] July 30th 05 04:00 PM

GOD has always been and will always be.That is a leap of faith I
definetly believe in.There is no person or persons on this Earth who can
change my opinion of that.
cuhulin


David July 30th 05 04:33 PM

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:00:29 -0500, wrote:

GOD has always been and will always be.That is a leap of faith I
definetly believe in.There is no person or persons on this Earth who can
change my opinion of that.
cuhulin

Nobody lives forever.


[email protected] July 30th 05 05:14 PM

GOD isn't a nobody.
cuhulin


David July 30th 05 06:12 PM

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:14:29 -0500, wrote:

GOD isn't a nobody.
cuhulin

He's a real nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.

Doesn't kave a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere Man, please listen,
You don't know what you're missing,
Nowhere Man, the world is at your command.

He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?
Doesn't kave a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere Man, don't worry,
Take your time, don't hurry,
Leave it all till somebody else
lend you a hand.

He's a real Nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.

--John Lennon


David July 30th 05 07:42 PM

On 30 Jul 2005 18:49:28 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 30 Jul 2005 10:41:12a, David wrote in message
:

On 30 Jul 2005 14:27:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 30 Jul 2005 09:22:57a, David wrote in message
:

On 30 Jul 2005 11:43:35 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:



Then there is another point of view, that being that creationists and
evolutionists are both right. In a grossly over-simplified "nut-shell"
description: someone set up all the dominoes in a certain design and
then tipped over the first one (Big-Bang) to start the whole
process...

-=jd=-

God is a mollusk.


That speaks volumes about you.


-=jd=-

The fact that primitive man had to characterize ''God'' as humanoid
speaks volumes about you.



Where did I say I characterized "God" as anything in particular? Do you
make it a practice to jump to baseless conclusions? slaps forehead What
am I thinking! Of *course* you do. Jumping to baseless conclusions is your
forte'!

-=jd=-

You said ''someone'' set up the dominos. I interpret that as you
supporting the theory that there was a ''creator'' and that said
''creator'' had hands.

I say ''smarts'' is bigger than any being and a value inherent in the
universe. There is an original DNA molecule who likes to travel.

Peacek.


David July 30th 05 07:43 PM

On 30 Jul 2005 18:54:52 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 30 Jul 2005 10:41:47a, David wrote in message
:

On 30 Jul 2005 14:26:50 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 30 Jul 2005 09:23:40a, David wrote in message
:

On 29 Jul 2005 19:43:52 -0700, wrote:

Nothing is infinite.



Prove it.

-=jd=-

Nobody knows everything.



You didn't say *nobody* is infinite, you screwed-up and said *nothing* is
infinite. Forgetting for the moment the demonstrated fact that your
sycophantic naivety knows no bounds, start counting up from the number 1. Let
me know when you get to the end -and- just to make sure you aren't lying,
tell us what number is at the end.

-=jd=-

Infinity minus 1.

God knows everything

Nobody knows everything

God is Nobody


Brian Hill July 30th 05 08:03 PM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...
On Sat 30 Jul 2005 10:41:47a, David wrote in message
:

On 30 Jul 2005 14:26:50 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 30 Jul 2005 09:23:40a, David wrote in message
:

On 29 Jul 2005 19:43:52 -0700, wrote:

Nothing is infinite.



Prove it.

-=jd=-

Nobody knows everything.



You didn't say *nobody* is infinite, you screwed-up and said *nothing* is
infinite. Forgetting for the moment the demonstrated fact that your
sycophantic naivety knows no bounds, start counting up from the number 1.
Let
me know when you get to the end -and- just to make sure you aren't lying,
tell us what number is at the end.

-=jd=-
--


jd. Why do guys keep beating a dead horse with this guy? I kinda wish you
all would just ignor the mf. He's mentally ill you know? GFC

B.H.



David July 30th 05 08:06 PM

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:03:29 -0500, "Brian Hill"
wrote:


jd. Why do guys keep beating a dead horse with this guy? I kinda wish you
all would just ignor the mf. He's mentally ill you know? GFC

B.H.


I may be slow but I'm in front of you!


Brian Hill July 30th 05 08:15 PM


"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:03:29 -0500, "Brian Hill"
wrote:


jd. Why do guys keep beating a dead horse with this guy? I kinda wish you
all would just ignor the mf. He's mentally ill you know? GFC

B.H.


I may be slow but I'm in front of you!


That's a windshield your looking at and not a mirror Richard Cranium.

B.H.



[email protected] July 30th 05 09:15 PM

GOD is painting the Universe in his own design.That tells me GOD IS
SOMEBODY.
cuhulin


[email protected] July 30th 05 09:20 PM

I am slow too.(about 35 miles per hour on the back roads is plenty fast
enough for me) Like when I am driving and all of those vehicles on the
roads behind me.Hey,I am ahead of them.Untill they catch up and pass me
on by.Hy y'all,Bye y'all.
cuhulin


Honus July 30th 05 10:01 PM


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...
On Fri 29 Jul 2005 07:47:51p, "Honus"
wrote in message news:HezGe.63$4e6.53@trnddc04:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
. 20...

If you want to believe everything evolved or "just happened" by pure,
random chance, then that same logic would have you believe that a

tornado
could pass through a junk-yard and spit out a functioning Boeing 747,

just
by pure, random chance.


That, of course, is a -thorough- mischaracterization of biological
evolution.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html



It is an over-generalization, but the root-point is the same. The fossil
record provides evidence of many different forms of life -- but there have
been no transitional forms found, save for a scant few lizards that
appeared to have feather-like features that have been presumed to be the
onset of birds. Well, that's still a presumption, or a leap in logic or
faith that is loosely based on fact, but not completely supported by the
historical record. Perhaps one day it may be, but not yet.


There are quite a few more transitionals than you realize.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html



[email protected] July 31st 05 02:04 AM

CAIR v Anti-CAIR. www.homelandsecurityus.com But,but,but,bush
said Islam is a religion of peace! That MORON NUMBSKULL IDIOT bush
doesn't know his a.. from a hole in the Ground! About a year or so ago,I
read an article in the Clarion Ledger www.clarionledger.com that
said bush is a hindrance for businesses in Mississippi.The article is
True,bush has been a miserable failue in ALL business endevors he has
been in and will always be a miserable failure.I bash ALL politicians,I
don't care who they are or where they are from.I have always belived it
is always OPEN SEASON EVERY DAY ON BASHING ALL politicians,Period!
cuhulin


[email protected] July 31st 05 02:33 AM

Bin Laden's favorite dates. www.worldnetdaily.com bush's favorite
goat stories.
cuhulin


[email protected] July 31st 05 04:32 AM

So,which is it,Muslim,Muslim's or Moslem,Moslem's? Know thy Enemy,fed
govt and Muslim Islam ragheads.Not to be confused with India whom some
of them do wear Turban's (is that the right spelling/word?) on their
heads.Once in a while when I am out shopping I see some
Indians,India,and of course there are a lot of American Indians around
here too.Mostly Choctaw Indians in the Jackson area.Other American
Indians too.
(whom I highly respect) www.devilfinder.com Mississippi Indian
Tribes

A lot of
American Indians in my old home town of Carthage.
www.thecarthaginian.com
cuhulin


m II July 31st 05 03:45 PM

dxAce wrote:


Go jump in the river, 'tard boy.



How refreshing to see you improving the quality of your attempted insults.
You've reached grade three level now. Very impressive, as we didn't think even
this was possible.


Bravo!





mike

m II July 31st 05 03:48 PM

wrote:

I call all Muslims,Moslems,whatever,ALL a bunch of COWARDS!



Funny thing. They all call YOU a moron. The facts would tend to back them up. I
feel you're mad at them because they've branded dogs as unclean, thus further
tarnishing your sexual deviancy.





mike

dxAce July 31st 05 03:49 PM



m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:


Go jump in the river, 'tard boy.


How refreshing to see you improving the quality of your attempted insults.
You've reached grade three level now. Very impressive, as we didn't think even
this was possible.


That's the problem with you dumbass Canucks... you don't think!

Bravo!


More like Bravo Sierra! (BS).

dxAce
Michigan
USA



[email protected] July 31st 05 04:13 PM

Ahhhhh,Forget you,m II.You are a ,,,,,,,,,,,,, ......... ///////////
cuhulin



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