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Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability'
Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability'
By Charles I. Burch, Prairie Writers Circle. Posted July 30, 2005. The companies have yet to admit that no scheme for providing sustainable energy can rely on petroleum. Sustainability is big in corporate America today. The word, that is. Once an arcane term used chiefly by foresters and agricultural researchers, "sustainable" has become the label of choice that executives use to describe their businesses. Perhaps the most laughable of the newly "sustainable" corporations are the oil companies. Pumping a finite resource like oil out of the ground must be one of the least sustainable endeavors on the planet. But this doesn't bother the oil industry, which knows a powerful public relations word when it sees one. The most recent ConocoPhillips annual report has a section titled "Technology Achieving Long-term Sustainability," and the CEO writes of the company's "sustainable growth plan." Annual reports from ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil speak of "sustainable development." And BP and Shell issue reports on the sustainability of their operations. There are even auditors willing, for a fee, to vouch for the statements in these "sustainability" reports. All this when Arthur R. Green, lecturer for the American Association of Petroleum Geologists and former chief geoscientist of ExxonMobil, says world oil production is nearing its peak. The history of U.S. oil production is instructive. Domestic oil output steadily rose until it peaked in 1970. Since then production has declined despite the technological know-how of domestic oil companies and the considerable incentive of high prices. Domestic oil production in 2003 was less than 60 percent of its 1970 level. To meet our demand we import foreign oil. More than 56 percent of what we used in 2003 came from other countries, and the proportion increases every year. Increase, taper off, then decrease -- world oil production will follow the same pattern. Some experts think world output is very near its peak already, while others say the peak will arrive sometime between now and 2050. Five complications make this grim picture even bleaker. First, the world's largest oil reserves tend to be in countries with unstable governments. Unrest can disrupt supply. Second, insiders have been suspicious for some time about oil reserve figures claimed by certain Middle Eastern countries. In 1987 the United Arab Emirates claimed reserves of 33 billion barrels; in 1988 they claimed 98 billion barrels, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. Iraq and some other Middle Eastern countries also reported similarly implausible sudden increases. These figures probably owe more to politics than sound science. Third, China, until 1993 a net oil exporter, now imports more than 40 percent of its oil and is the world's third largest importer, after the United States and Japan. With 1.3 billion people, one-fifth of the world's population, and an economy that has quadrupled since 1978, China is developing a world-class thirst for oil. China and the rest of Asia now consume about as much oil as the United States. Fourth, as demand climbs past supply, already high oil prices will rise even higher. The "energy crisis" of the 1970s showed how sensitive overall inflation, interest rates and the stock market are to increased oil prices. The oil squeeze will not just raise the cost of energy. It will affect the entire economy. Fifth, even as oil becomes more scarce, development of replacement fuels remains on the back burner. Do not expect the oil companies to do more than token research on other fuels. True, they do have experience taking on large projects and have sophisticated ways of analyzing risk. But their investment and expertise are in petroleum. If an oil company makes a genuine sustainability breakthrough -- figuring out, for example, how to make hydrogen efficiently with solar power -- you can be sure the company will publicize this rather than promote the pleasant fiction that its current operations are sustainable. The reality is that no scheme for providing energy sustainably can rely on petroleum. But do not expect to hear that from oil executives. Charles Burch was a senior staff scientist at Conoco before retiring in 2002. He wrote this essay for the Land Institute's Prairie Writers Circle, Salina, Kan. |
David:
Mostly true. However, there are no "hydrogen wells" or "hydrogen mines", most all supplies of hydrogen come from oil (hydrocarbon-petroleum.) It is possible to separate hydrogen from sea water with electricity or supertemperatures, however, this requires an energy source to do so. Hydrogen fuels, at least at this point, are a fairy tale to appease the masses... Cold fusion is still a possible resource, however, if it is developed to its full extent, any one with a glass of water can probably develop a "super weapon", I think they will drag their feet for a long time because of that... John "David" wrote in message ... Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability' By Charles I. Burch, Prairie Writers Circle. Posted July 30, 2005. The companies have yet to admit that no scheme for providing sustainable energy can rely on petroleum. Sustainability is big in corporate America today. The word, that is. Once an arcane term used chiefly by foresters and agricultural researchers, "sustainable" has become the label of choice that executives use to describe their businesses. Perhaps the most laughable of the newly "sustainable" corporations are the oil companies. Pumping a finite resource like oil out of the ground must be one of the least sustainable endeavors on the planet. But this doesn't bother the oil industry, which knows a powerful public relations word when it sees one. The most recent ConocoPhillips annual report has a section titled "Technology Achieving Long-term Sustainability," and the CEO writes of the company's "sustainable growth plan." Annual reports from ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil speak of "sustainable development." And BP and Shell issue reports on the sustainability of their operations. There are even auditors willing, for a fee, to vouch for the statements in these "sustainability" reports. All this when Arthur R. Green, lecturer for the American Association of Petroleum Geologists and former chief geoscientist of ExxonMobil, says world oil production is nearing its peak. The history of U.S. oil production is instructive. Domestic oil output steadily rose until it peaked in 1970. Since then production has declined despite the technological know-how of domestic oil companies and the considerable incentive of high prices. Domestic oil production in 2003 was less than 60 percent of its 1970 level. To meet our demand we import foreign oil. More than 56 percent of what we used in 2003 came from other countries, and the proportion increases every year. Increase, taper off, then decrease -- world oil production will follow the same pattern. Some experts think world output is very near its peak already, while others say the peak will arrive sometime between now and 2050. Five complications make this grim picture even bleaker. First, the world's largest oil reserves tend to be in countries with unstable governments. Unrest can disrupt supply. Second, insiders have been suspicious for some time about oil reserve figures claimed by certain Middle Eastern countries. In 1987 the United Arab Emirates claimed reserves of 33 billion barrels; in 1988 they claimed 98 billion barrels, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. Iraq and some other Middle Eastern countries also reported similarly implausible sudden increases. These figures probably owe more to politics than sound science. Third, China, until 1993 a net oil exporter, now imports more than 40 percent of its oil and is the world's third largest importer, after the United States and Japan. With 1.3 billion people, one-fifth of the world's population, and an economy that has quadrupled since 1978, China is developing a world-class thirst for oil. China and the rest of Asia now consume about as much oil as the United States. Fourth, as demand climbs past supply, already high oil prices will rise even higher. The "energy crisis" of the 1970s showed how sensitive overall inflation, interest rates and the stock market are to increased oil prices. The oil squeeze will not just raise the cost of energy. It will affect the entire economy. Fifth, even as oil becomes more scarce, development of replacement fuels remains on the back burner. Do not expect the oil companies to do more than token research on other fuels. True, they do have experience taking on large projects and have sophisticated ways of analyzing risk. But their investment and expertise are in petroleum. If an oil company makes a genuine sustainability breakthrough -- figuring out, for example, how to make hydrogen efficiently with solar power -- you can be sure the company will publicize this rather than promote the pleasant fiction that its current operations are sustainable. The reality is that no scheme for providing energy sustainably can rely on petroleum. But do not expect to hear that from oil executives. Charles Burch was a senior staff scientist at Conoco before retiring in 2002. He wrote this essay for the Land Institute's Prairie Writers Circle, Salina, Kan. |
"John Smith" wrote in message Hydrogen fuels, at least at this point, are a fairy tale to appease the masses... No there not fairy tale. The technology exists. It's just that we're so locked into fossil fuels that nobody wants to make the investment. B.H. |
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:23:31 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote: David: Mostly true. However, there are no "hydrogen wells" or "hydrogen mines", most all supplies of hydrogen come from oil (hydrocarbon-petroleum.) It is possible to separate hydrogen from sea water with electricity or supertemperatures, however, this requires an energy source to do so. Hydrogen fuels, at least at this point, are a fairy tale to appease the masses... Cold fusion is still a possible resource, however, if it is developed to its full extent, any one with a glass of water can probably develop a "super weapon", I think they will drag their feet for a long time because of that... John There are some interesting chemistries coming on line that may actually be able to produce hydrogen from biomass that have a favorable input/output result. http://www.nature.com/nature/links/020829/020829-4.html Hydrogen is attractive because it could allow us Americans to keep driving ourselves around in our little cars. |
Brian:
How so, where is this "hydrogen" going to come from, for free? I have never seen pools of the stuff lying about. In college labs I have extracted it from sea water, strange, it takes about as much energy to recover it from sea water as you get back when you burn (use) the hydrogen.... What am I missing? John "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message Hydrogen fuels, at least at this point, are a fairy tale to appease the masses... No there not fairy tale. The technology exists. It's just that we're so locked into fossil fuels that nobody wants to make the investment. B.H. |
David:
Did you consider the fact you need energy to create the biomass? Trucking feed, fertilizer, animals and vegetation over highways? Building those highways? The people getting to work in autos to produce this biomass? It is all a dream which falls apart when you attempt to get real results in practical use from theory... no one is holding onto to this "trillion+ dollar idea" just to make the public suffer--no workable ideas work! John "David" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:23:31 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: David: Mostly true. However, there are no "hydrogen wells" or "hydrogen mines", most all supplies of hydrogen come from oil (hydrocarbon-petroleum.) It is possible to separate hydrogen from sea water with electricity or supertemperatures, however, this requires an energy source to do so. Hydrogen fuels, at least at this point, are a fairy tale to appease the masses... Cold fusion is still a possible resource, however, if it is developed to its full extent, any one with a glass of water can probably develop a "super weapon", I think they will drag their feet for a long time because of that... John There are some interesting chemistries coming on line that may actually be able to produce hydrogen from biomass that have a favorable input/output result. http://www.nature.com/nature/links/020829/020829-4.html Hydrogen is attractive because it could allow us Americans to keep driving ourselves around in our little cars. |
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:44:43 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote: David: Did you consider the fact you need energy to create the biomass? Trucking feed, fertilizer, animals and vegetation over highways? Building those highways? The people getting to work in autos to produce this biomass? It is all a dream which falls apart when you attempt to get real results in practical use from theory... no one is holding onto to this "trillion+ dollar idea" just to make the public suffer--no workable ideas work! John I've heard schemes involving algae that are grown at the reactor. |
David:
.... I've heard stories of alien abductions! John "David" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:44:43 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: David: Did you consider the fact you need energy to create the biomass? Trucking feed, fertilizer, animals and vegetation over highways? Building those highways? The people getting to work in autos to produce this biomass? It is all a dream which falls apart when you attempt to get real results in practical use from theory... no one is holding onto to this "trillion+ dollar idea" just to make the public suffer--no workable ideas work! John I've heard schemes involving algae that are grown at the reactor. |
David wrote: Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability' By Charles I. Burch, Prairie Writers Circle. Posted July 30, 2005. The companies have yet to admit that no scheme for providing sustainable energy can rely on petroleum. Sustainability is big in corporate America today. The word, that is. Once an arcane term used chiefly by foresters and agricultural researchers, "sustainable" has become the label of choice that executives use to describe their businesses. Perhaps the most laughable of the newly "sustainable" corporations are the oil companies. Pumping a finite resource like oil out of the ground must be one of the least sustainable endeavors on the planet. But this doesn't bother the oil industry, which knows a powerful public relations word when it sees one. The most recent ConocoPhillips annual report has a section titled "Technology Achieving Long-term Sustainability," and the CEO writes of the company's "sustainable growth plan." Annual reports from ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil speak of "sustainable development." And BP and Shell issue reports on the sustainability of their operations. There are even auditors willing, for a fee, to vouch for the statements in these "sustainability" reports. All this when Arthur R. Green, lecturer for the American Association of Petroleum Geologists and former chief geoscientist of ExxonMobil, says world oil production is nearing its peak. The history of U.S. oil production is instructive. Domestic oil output steadily rose until it peaked in 1970. Since then production has declined despite the technological know-how of domestic oil companies and the considerable incentive of high prices. Domestic oil production in 2003 was less than 60 percent of its 1970 level. To meet our demand we import foreign oil. More than 56 percent of what we used in 2003 came from other countries, and the proportion increases every year. Increase, taper off, then decrease -- world oil production will follow the same pattern. Some experts think world output is very near its peak already, while others say the peak will arrive sometime between now and 2050. Five complications make this grim picture even bleaker. First, the world's largest oil reserves tend to be in countries with unstable governments. Unrest can disrupt supply. Second, insiders have been suspicious for some time about oil reserve figures claimed by certain Middle Eastern countries. In 1987 the United Arab Emirates claimed reserves of 33 billion barrels; in 1988 they claimed 98 billion barrels, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. Iraq and some other Middle Eastern countries also reported similarly implausible sudden increases. These figures probably owe more to politics than sound science. Third, China, until 1993 a net oil exporter, now imports more than 40 percent of its oil and is the world's third largest importer, after the United States and Japan. With 1.3 billion people, one-fifth of the world's population, and an economy that has quadrupled since 1978, China is developing a world-class thirst for oil. China and the rest of Asia now consume about as much oil as the United States. Fourth, as demand climbs past supply, already high oil prices will rise even higher. The "energy crisis" of the 1970s showed how sensitive overall inflation, interest rates and the stock market are to increased oil prices. The oil squeeze will not just raise the cost of energy. It will affect the entire economy. Fifth, even as oil becomes more scarce, development of replacement fuels remains on the back burner. Do not expect the oil companies to do more than token research on other fuels. True, they do have experience taking on large projects and have sophisticated ways of analyzing risk. But their investment and expertise are in petroleum. If an oil company makes a genuine sustainability breakthrough -- figuring out, for example, how to make hydrogen efficiently with solar power -- you can be sure the company will publicize this rather than promote the pleasant fiction that its current operations are sustainable. The reality is that no scheme for providing energy sustainably can rely on petroleum. But do not expect to hear that from oil executives. Charles Burch was a senior staff scientist at Conoco before retiring in 2002. He wrote this essay for the Land Institute's Prairie Writers Circle, Salina, Kan. What frequency is this all on, 'tard boy? dxAce Michigan USA |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Brian: How so, where is this "hydrogen" going to come from, for free? I have never seen pools of the stuff lying about. In college labs I have extracted it from sea water, strange, it takes about as much energy to recover it from sea water as you get back when you burn (use) the hydrogen.... What am I missing? John Yea I've never seen pools of gas laying around either. It cost $s to turn oil into gas, right? Yes it cost money using electricity to do the work of extracting hydrogen, but there are other ways too that can work like titanium dioxide & solar energy to offset the cost of more expensive ways etc.. My point is if there was enough human energy and $s thrown at the project, we would have it licked and the world would be a cleaner better place. There are many scientist that claim they can do it with the right resources and I believe them and as long as the big oil CO's are still selling oil it's going to be hard stopping they're lobbyist. B.H. |
Brian:
Ways do exist of getting "virtually free energy." Huge sheets of reflecting aluminum foil unfolded in space, to catch the sun rays and focus them on a HUGE laser rod/tube, beaming the laser beam to a steam-electric generator on the face of the earth. Schemes also exist which would use microwaves in place of the laser beam... THESE ARE DOABLE NOW, at this very moment! I am not really a "nay sayer." John "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Brian: How so, where is this "hydrogen" going to come from, for free? I have never seen pools of the stuff lying about. In college labs I have extracted it from sea water, strange, it takes about as much energy to recover it from sea water as you get back when you burn (use) the hydrogen.... What am I missing? John Yea I've never seen pools of gas laying around either. It cost $s to turn oil into gas, right? Yes it cost money using electricity to do the work of extracting hydrogen, but there are other ways too that can work like titanium dioxide & solar energy to offset the cost of more expensive ways etc.. My point is if there was enough human energy and $s thrown at the project, we would have it licked and the world would be a cleaner better place. There are many scientist that claim they can do it with the right resources and I believe them and as long as the big oil CO's are still selling oil it's going to be hard stopping they're lobbyist. B.H. |
John Smith wrote: Brian: How so, where is this "hydrogen" going to come from, for free? I have never seen pools of the stuff lying about. In college labs I have extracted it from sea water, strange, it takes about as much energy to recover it from sea water as you get back when you burn (use) the hydrogen.... It take More energy than you can recover The Laws of Thermodynamics You could use hydrogen as means of store energy What am I missing? John "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message Hydrogen fuels, at least at this point, are a fairy tale to appease the masses... No there not fairy tale. The technology exists. It's just that we're so locked into fossil fuels that nobody wants to make the investment. B.H. |
AOF:
Precisely why I used the word "about." John "an old friend" wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: Brian: How so, where is this "hydrogen" going to come from, for free? I have never seen pools of the stuff lying about. In college labs I have extracted it from sea water, strange, it takes about as much energy to recover it from sea water as you get back when you burn (use) the hydrogen.... It take More energy than you can recover The Laws of Thermodynamics You could use hydrogen as means of store energy What am I missing? John "Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message Hydrogen fuels, at least at this point, are a fairy tale to appease the masses... No there not fairy tale. The technology exists. It's just that we're so locked into fossil fuels that nobody wants to make the investment. B.H. |
Where y'all at? Up in the attic? I was over at my webtv female user name
thingy and,ooooooo La La La!,I digress.Them wimmins shocked the socks off of me and then some,I need to recouperate.And I thought I was "bad". cuhulin |
cuhulin:
Huh? You a poser now? (guy posing as a female and chatting with the guys!) John wrote in message ... Where y'all at? Up in the attic? I was over at my webtv female user name thingy and,ooooooo La La La!,I digress.Them wimmins shocked the socks off of me and then some,I need to recouperate.And I thought I was "bad". cuhulin |
Burn all the 'jane fonda's' and politicians and dems and libs in the
World and we will never run out of oil. cuhulin |
You can take a six volt or twelve volt battery and a glass of water and
a few wires and make Hydrogen on your dining room table.Use a Balloon to catch the Hydrogen and have FUN! cuhulin |
A guy in North Carolina built a scale model car for a science class that
never runs out of Hydrogen,it makes it's own Hydrogen fuel.It really works too.I told y'all about that a few weeks ago. cuhulin |
Geothermal Energy,from the Sea and the Ocean.A never ending relatively
cheap Energy.I told y'all putos about that a couple of weeks ago.Solar Energy.Don't y'all ever read? Let me reach and cut this thang off,past my beddy bye time and I need to get my beautifull sleep. cuhulin |
John Smith wrote:
wrote in message ... Where y'all at? Up in the attic? I was over at my webtv female user name thingy and,ooooooo La La La!,I digress.Them wimmins shocked the socks off of me and then some,I need to recouperate.And I thought I was "bad". cuhulin cuhulin: Huh? You a poser now? (guy posing as a female and chatting with the guys!) it's rumoured he cross dresses when using one of his many female personas. mike |
cuhulin:
There may indeed be a way to make hydrogen on demand. Hydrogen can be extracted from hydrogen peroxide and something ran off it. At a GREAT EXPENSE--making gas look dirt cheap. Are you saying this guy has developed a method of extracting hydrogen out of the ether, there is damn little in the air we are breathing! John wrote in message ... A guy in North Carolina built a scale model car for a science class that never runs out of Hydrogen,it makes it's own Hydrogen fuel.It really works too.I told y'all about that a few weeks ago. cuhulin |
In article ,
dxAce wrote: David wrote: Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability' What frequency is this all on, 'tard boy? I'd try "The National Interest" on Radio Australia. That would be 10 AM Sunday CDT on 9590, 7240 or 5995. Or 6 AM Monday CDT on 9590/9580. On June 17, they had a great program. An investment banker about how the oil reserve estimates are FUBAR. And an interview with the author of "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" about how the development banks, the US State Department and intelligence agencies and the multinational constructions companies are playing an version "Owing Your Soul the the Company Store" on a nation state level by deliberatly putting third world countries in a position where they are so tied down by their debts that they can't do anything. If you can't figure out "why they hate us", check this out. First you find a country that has resources or a useful geographic location. And having a corrupt government helps. Then you come up with a "development plan" that's total fiction. (This was the author's job in the conspiracy, as an economist for an engineering consulting firm). Then the third world country gets zillions in loans from the development banks. Then the construction companies build something that won't work or will never pay out. So now the development banks (and the US agencies that actually call the shots) now have the poor country by the balls. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |
"Brian Hill" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Brian: How so, where is this "hydrogen" going to come from, for free? I have never seen pools of the stuff lying about. In college labs I have extracted it from sea water, strange, it takes about as much energy to recover it from sea water as you get back when you burn (use) the hydrogen.... What am I missing? John Yea I've never seen pools of gas laying around either. It cost $s to turn oil into gas, right? Yes it cost money using electricity to do the work of extracting hydrogen, but there are other ways too that can work like titanium dioxide & solar energy to offset the cost of more expensive ways etc.. My point is if there was enough human energy and $s thrown at the project, we would have it licked and the world would be a cleaner better place. There are many scientist that claim they can do it with the right resources and I believe them and as long as the big oil CO's are still selling oil it's going to be hard stopping they're lobbyist. My thinking is that yes, it's preferable to what we have now, but as I like to point out, there will be an impact of some sort that we can't forsee. Remember, 100 years ago, cars were a less polluting option to all the horses that were around, and cars would have been seen as a "cleaner" alternative to all the horse manure and flies and other refuse around. Hydrogen fuel cells would be a nicer alternative, but what is the long term impact? We don't know. Nuclear power is a nice alternative to coal and gas fired power plants, but no one wants to put up with the risks of it (or the spent fuel). --Mike L. |
Turn all of the poiticians into oil and we got it made,blow them out the
tailpipes of our vehicles. cuhulin |
Only chatting with the Women.Hey,I am not crazy.
cuhulin |
I never cross dress.I wear Dickies work pants (the tan ones,they wear
like iron, www.dickies.com) and regular short sleeve shirts and socks and shoes and no jewelry except sometimes when I wear my cheap $4.87 Watchit wal mart wris****ch when I go shopping,the wris****ch,most of the time I don't bother to wear my wris****ch,there are clocks everywhere in the stores and the time isn't that important to me anyway. cuhulin |
A guy in North Carolina (I think the article said in North Carolina)
invented a little crude looking model car thingy that runs on Hydrogen for a science class experiment.According to what he said in the article the car never needs to be refueled with Hydrogen.(of course,scaling something like that up to be practical in real size vehicles might take some doing) I think I emailed that article to one of my webtv addresses.I will look for it after I read some news updates.Meanwhile,if y'all will do some searches on the internet for the article,y'all might beat me to it. cuhulin |
cuhulin:
I have ran into such guys before, they usually want you to invest in their idea so they can develop it into a workable product... When dealing with such guys an old phrase comes to mind, "A fool and his money are soon parted..." John wrote in message ... A guy in North Carolina (I think the article said in North Carolina) invented a little crude looking model car thingy that runs on Hydrogen for a science class experiment.According to what he said in the article the car never needs to be refueled with Hydrogen.(of course,scaling something like that up to be practical in real size vehicles might take some doing) I think I emailed that article to one of my webtv addresses.I will look for it after I read some news updates.Meanwhile,if y'all will do some searches on the internet for the article,y'all might beat me to it. cuhulin |
A few years ago I read an article in either Popular Mechanics magazine
or Popular Science magazine about a new way to turn grass into plastic.The article has a picture of a green plastic plate and cup and saucer that is made from grass plastic.There is fortune in our yards. cuhulin |
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:39:33 -0400, "Michael Lawson"
wrote: Hydrogen fuel cells would be a nicer alternative, but what is the long term impact? We don't know. Nuclear power is a nice alternative to coal and gas fired power plants, but no one wants to put up with the risks of it (or the spent fuel). --Mike L. Nuclear would be fine if it weren't for all the petroterrorists threatening to blow-up the spent-fuel rods. |
If they ever get nuclear fusion working real good,(I believe someday
they will) that will be a good thing too.Nuclear fusion is safe,according to articles I have read about it before. cuhulin |
Joeseph Newman of Lucedale,Mississippi invented some free energy
devices.How do I know this? Because back around 1973,he brought a few of his free energy devices to downtown Jackson,Mississippi.I hurried up and finished up earlier than usual running my bread route for Sunbeam Bakery that afternoon and I drove down town to see for myself.There wasen't anything fake or phoney about his free energy devices at all,I saw them working with my own eyes and there were some other people there with electrical equipment checking out his free energy devices he brought to Jackson.Say or think whatever you like,I saw them working with my very own eyes.I have a big softback book here that I ordered from Joseph Newman when I got back home that afternoon.The book has diagrams of his free energy devices and explains all about them too. cuhulin |
www.devilfinder.com Joseph Newman Lucedale Mississippi Free Energy
Devices Of course I realize some of y'all will think/call him a kook,go ahead,help yourself.I was there and I know what I saw and I am not a kook. cuhulin |
John Smith wrote:
What am I missing? A brain maybe? |
"David" wrote in message ... Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability' Recently on Nova "Science Now" they had a piece on hydrogen fuel cells. To store enough liquid hydrogen for a 150 mile trip you would need a pressure vessel capable of holding about three times the volume of gasoline needed for the same trip at a pressure of up to 50,000 lbs/sq in. Do you want to drive around with something like that behind you? One of the experts on fuel cells said to forget about hydrogen for automobiles. Just another fairy tale to keep people from learning he eventual truth. Read up on Hubbert's peak. You'll understand what the oil crises means then. By the way, I worked with Chuck Burch at Conoco in exploration research. I have a Ph.D. in physics and worked in exploration geophysics. The oil companies are merging so they can lay off exploration people. There's no more big oil to be found and they know it. John Reed By Charles I. Burch, Prairie Writers Circle. Posted July 30, 2005. The companies have yet to admit that no scheme for providing sustainable energy can rely on petroleum. Sustainability is big in corporate America today. The word, that is. Once an arcane term used chiefly by foresters and agricultural researchers, "sustainable" has become the label of choice that executives use to describe their businesses. Perhaps the most laughable of the newly "sustainable" corporations are the oil companies. Pumping a finite resource like oil out of the ground must be one of the least sustainable endeavors on the planet. But this doesn't bother the oil industry, which knows a powerful public relations word when it sees one. The most recent ConocoPhillips annual report has a section titled "Technology Achieving Long-term Sustainability," and the CEO writes of the company's "sustainable growth plan." Annual reports from ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil speak of "sustainable development." And BP and Shell issue reports on the sustainability of their operations. There are even auditors willing, for a fee, to vouch for the statements in these "sustainability" reports. All this when Arthur R. Green, lecturer for the American Association of Petroleum Geologists and former chief geoscientist of ExxonMobil, says world oil production is nearing its peak. The history of U.S. oil production is instructive. Domestic oil output steadily rose until it peaked in 1970. Since then production has declined despite the technological know-how of domestic oil companies and the considerable incentive of high prices. Domestic oil production in 2003 was less than 60 percent of its 1970 level. To meet our demand we import foreign oil. More than 56 percent of what we used in 2003 came from other countries, and the proportion increases every year. Increase, taper off, then decrease -- world oil production will follow the same pattern. Some experts think world output is very near its peak already, while others say the peak will arrive sometime between now and 2050. Five complications make this grim picture even bleaker. First, the world's largest oil reserves tend to be in countries with unstable governments. Unrest can disrupt supply. Second, insiders have been suspicious for some time about oil reserve figures claimed by certain Middle Eastern countries. In 1987 the United Arab Emirates claimed reserves of 33 billion barrels; in 1988 they claimed 98 billion barrels, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. Iraq and some other Middle Eastern countries also reported similarly implausible sudden increases. These figures probably owe more to politics than sound science. Third, China, until 1993 a net oil exporter, now imports more than 40 percent of its oil and is the world's third largest importer, after the United States and Japan. With 1.3 billion people, one-fifth of the world's population, and an economy that has quadrupled since 1978, China is developing a world-class thirst for oil. China and the rest of Asia now consume about as much oil as the United States. Fourth, as demand climbs past supply, already high oil prices will rise even higher. The "energy crisis" of the 1970s showed how sensitive overall inflation, interest rates and the stock market are to increased oil prices. The oil squeeze will not just raise the cost of energy. It will affect the entire economy. Fifth, even as oil becomes more scarce, development of replacement fuels remains on the back burner. Do not expect the oil companies to do more than token research on other fuels. True, they do have experience taking on large projects and have sophisticated ways of analyzing risk. But their investment and expertise are in petroleum. If an oil company makes a genuine sustainability breakthrough -- figuring out, for example, how to make hydrogen efficiently with solar power -- you can be sure the company will publicize this rather than promote the pleasant fiction that its current operations are sustainable. The reality is that no scheme for providing energy sustainably can rely on petroleum. But do not expect to hear that from oil executives. Charles Burch was a senior staff scientist at Conoco before retiring in 2002. He wrote this essay for the Land Institute's Prairie Writers Circle, Salina, Kan. |
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:46:08 GMT, "John Reed"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability' Recently on Nova "Science Now" they had a piece on hydrogen fuel cells. To store enough liquid hydrogen for a 150 mile trip you would need a pressure vessel capable of holding about three times the volume of gasoline needed for the same trip at a pressure of up to 50,000 lbs/sq in. Do you want to drive around with something like that behind you? One of the experts on fuel cells said to forget about hydrogen for automobiles. Just another fairy tale to keep people from learning he eventual truth. Read up on Hubbert's peak. You'll understand what the oil crises means then. By the way, I worked with Chuck Burch at Conoco in exploration research. I have a Ph.D. in physics and worked in exploration geophysics. The oil companies are merging so they can lay off exploration people. There's no more big oil to be found and they know it. John Reed I'm all for total melt-down of society so we can start over with a clean slate. Perhaps bumper cars have had their run... |
David wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:46:08 GMT, "John Reed" wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . Oil Companies Discover 'Sustainability' Recently on Nova "Science Now" they had a piece on hydrogen fuel cells. To store enough liquid hydrogen for a 150 mile trip you would need a pressure vessel capable of holding about three times the volume of gasoline needed for the same trip at a pressure of up to 50,000 lbs/sq in. Do you want to drive around with something like that behind you? One of the experts on fuel cells said to forget about hydrogen for automobiles. Just another fairy tale to keep people from learning he eventual truth. Read up on Hubbert's peak. You'll understand what the oil crises means then. By the way, I worked with Chuck Burch at Conoco in exploration research. I have a Ph.D. in physics and worked in exploration geophysics. The oil companies are merging so they can lay off exploration people. There's no more big oil to be found and they know it. John Reed I'm all for total melt-down of society so we can start over with a clean slate. Well, you've certainly 'melted down' 'tard boy. At least from a mental health standpoint. dxAce Michigan USA |
I have read articles before about some sort of metal hydrides (something
like that) technology that is suppose to be safe enough for storing Hydrogen fuel.Humph!,I was reading where James Randi said he traveled to the wilds of Mississippi (not only does James Randi look like a kook,I wouldn't be supprised if he is a kook,mind you,I am not calling him a kook,not yet anyway) to Lucedale,Mississippi to see Joseph Newman's free energy devices.(I wonder if James Randi got stuck in any muddy roads,got attacked by some bears?) I lived in Martinsville,Indiana in 1947 and Bozeman,Montana in 1956 and Salina,Kansas in 1957 and when I was in the Army,Scott Air Force Base,Illinois and SL-60 near Pacific,Missouri in 1963 and near Elizabethtown,Kentucky when I was at Fort Knox,Kentuck in 1963 (Ordnance School, ammo school) and Vinh Long and Tan Son Nhut,Vietnam in 1964 and near Killeen,Texas (Fort Hood,Texas) in 1965 and the "amazing" James Randi said he traveled to the wilds of Mississippi.Well,I can tell y'all the wilds of Mississippi are no wilder than anywhere else in the World I have ever been. cuhulin,in the wilds of Jackson,Mississippi |
"David" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:39:33 -0400, "Michael Lawson" wrote: Hydrogen fuel cells would be a nicer alternative, but what is the long term impact? We don't know. Nuclear power is a nice alternative to coal and gas fired power plants, but no one wants to put up with the risks of it (or the spent fuel). --Mike L. Nuclear would be fine if it weren't for all the petroterrorists threatening to blow-up the spent-fuel rods. All you have to say is "Chernobyl" to people and their appetite for nuclear seems to dissipate. Or Yucca Mountain. Or "where do we put the spent fuel rods?" As far as this stuff goes, nuclear is a great source of energy, if done right. No matter what energy source is chosen, there will be byproducts, because you can't get something for nothing in this world. The question has to be the following: what source of energy is the best with the least amount of problems? Of the usual suspects, given current technology, nuclear is the best choice. That said, I don't see us shutting down the coal fired plants anytime soon and replacing them with nuclear reactors because people are more scared of nuclear than coal, to be honest. --Mike L. |
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