"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
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"The Magnum" wrote:

The British police do carry guns, but only specially trained officers
not
every rookie cop.

Specially trained, like that lot who killed the brazilian guy?

Some training. Don't get ID. Take a leak instead of watching your
subject. Chase him down, again without ID. Pin him to a seat in the
Tube. THEN shoot.

Sorry, I don't give a rat**** about these "my country is better than
yours" threads but do NOT give me this "Specially trained" bull****.
That was an amateur screw up, that cost an innocent man his life.


One occurance and the Brazilian guy was so innocent his address was found in
one of the un-exploded back packs. The only thing he was innocent of was
that he wasnt actually carrying a bomb and probably wasnt part of the 5 bomb
assault team that day. What about the American Police who shoot to kill then
ask questions later.... your saying this doesnt happen?
As far as my country is better than your country goes, i have never said
that and nor will i. I have a huge amount of respect for America and its
people.. well, most of its people... and you will find if you knew me at all
i take as i find.. if people are nice to me i am nice back. I am nice to
people who i dont know... until they make me dislike them... The specially
trained quote is true... they are not normal Bobbies on the Beat.. but that
said, even specially trained people screw up sometimes, its a fact of life.

"The Magnum" wrote:

[...] What about the American Police who shoot to kill then
ask questions later.... your saying this doesnt happen?

you're.

No, I'm saying, we don't call them "specially trained." We call them
suspects, yank them off duty, and investigate them. Occasionally they
actually face justice. The rest of the time, the elected officials
feel our wrath.

The specially
trained quote is true... they are not normal Bobbies on the Beat.. but that
said, even specially trained people screw up sometimes, its a fact of life.


They may not be normal Bobbies on the beat, but their "special
training" has to go beyond ballroom dancing and proper behavior around
the Royals. Like, how to handle a high-stress situation and not let
the adrenaline cloud your judgement.

"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"The Magnum" wrote:

[...] What about the American Police who shoot to kill then
ask questions later.... your saying this doesnt happen?

you're.

No, I'm saying, we don't call them "specially trained." We call them
suspects, yank them off duty, and investigate them. Occasionally they
actually face justice. The rest of the time, the elected officials
feel our wrath.

*Oh i think youll find we have the same thing here in the UK. Theres many an
occasion this has happened over the years. Just because of one highlighted
incident dont think its common place

The specially
trained quote is true... they are not normal Bobbies on the Beat.. but
that
said, even specially trained people screw up sometimes, its a fact of
life.


They may not be normal Bobbies on the beat, but their "special
training" has to go beyond ballroom dancing and proper behavior around
the Royals. Like, how to handle a high-stress situation and not let
the adrenaline cloud your judgement.

*I think your becoming a bit silly now. Everyone at sometime makes a
mistake.. thats why its so heavily publicised when it happens because its
out of the ordinary. Ive seen film footage of an american police woman
accidentally shooting a suspect while hes on the floor and being restrained
and handcuffed without undue problems. Does this mean the american police
all shoot the criminals when they are helpless on the floor? no.. it was an
accident in the heat of the moment.. if you want the clip so you can see im
not making it up i will find it for you..

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:27:33 -0600, Eric F. Richards
wrote:

"The Magnum" wrote:

[...] What about the American Police who shoot to kill then
ask questions later.... your saying this doesnt happen?

you're.

No, I'm saying, we don't call them "specially trained." We call them
suspects, yank them off duty, and investigate them. Occasionally they
actually face justice. The rest of the time, the elected officials
feel our wrath.

The specially
trained quote is true... they are not normal Bobbies on the Beat.. but that
said, even specially trained people screw up sometimes, its a fact of life.


They may not be normal Bobbies on the beat, but their "special
training" has to go beyond ballroom dancing and proper behavior around
the Royals. Like, how to handle a high-stress situation and not let
the adrenaline cloud your judgement.

Or, more likely, the testosterone. Which must have been a new
experience for the wimps.

"The Magnum" wrote:



One occurance and the Brazilian guy was so innocent his address was found in
one of the un-exploded back packs.

Great. That thar is a shootin' offense, sorry, offenCe, yessir.

We have courts for that. We may not like the ponderous process and
the unfortunate celebrated screwups it has produced, but it beats
shooting a guy in the head AFTER you've captured him.

"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"The Magnum" wrote:



One occurance and the Brazilian guy was so innocent his address was
found in
one of the un-exploded back packs.

Great. That thar is a shootin' offense, sorry, offenCe, yessir.

We have courts for that. We may not like the ponderous process and
the unfortunate celebrated screwups it has produced, but it beats
shooting a guy in the head AFTER you've captured him.

You suffer the same problems in America so dont give me that. It was a one
of rare occurance thats why it was so well publicised. He was taken down and
shot because at the time it was genuinely thought he was a train bomber. If
the police had held back or tried to arrest him as they would in any other
circumstance other than a terrorist alert with the recent bombings making
the police on "high" alert, and he had actually detonated a bomb you would
be critical then also for not taking him down when they had the chance.
You have no time for negotiation or confrontation with these guys as they
are prepaired to die and dont give a damn who they take with them... in fact
the more the merrier... its not like dealing with your average criminal. The
second they realise they have been discovered the bomb goes off...
It is a tragic cock up.. i agree.. but no way is it a common occurance.

"The Magnum" wrote:


"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"The Magnum" wrote:



One occurance and the Brazilian guy was so innocent his address was
found in
one of the un-exploded back packs.

Great. That thar is a shootin' offense, sorry, offenCe, yessir.

We have courts for that. We may not like the ponderous process and
the unfortunate celebrated screwups it has produced, but it beats
shooting a guy in the head AFTER you've captured him.

You suffer the same problems in America so dont give me that. It was a one
of rare occurance thats why it was so well publicised.

It is *your* words and *your implicit indictment* that I quoted above.
You said that he "was so innocent his address was found..." not the
police, not anyone else. YOU.

Now, either the police screwed up, or this is English Justice and
that's just okay. One or 'tother.

Now, I'm working on the assumption that they screwed up. Fine. What
I'm saying is that this so-called "special training" (your phrase
again) they got isn't up to the job. Some random Bobby may not carry
a gun, but those who do -- and are authorized to use force to
potentially preempt a terrorist act -- DAMNED WELL BETTER BE TRAINED
IN HOW TO MAKE A SNAP DECISION UNDER STRESS.

Your "special training" isn't worth ****.

"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
news
"The Magnum" wrote:


"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"The Magnum" wrote:



One occurance and the Brazilian guy was so innocent his address was
found in
one of the un-exploded back packs.

Great. That thar is a shootin' offense, sorry, offenCe, yessir.

We have courts for that. We may not like the ponderous process and
the unfortunate celebrated screwups it has produced, but it beats
shooting a guy in the head AFTER you've captured him.

You suffer the same problems in America so dont give me that. It was a
one
of rare occurance thats why it was so well publicised.

It is *your* words and *your implicit indictment* that I quoted above.
You said that he "was so innocent his address was found..." not the
police, not anyone else. YOU.

Now, either the police screwed up, or this is English Justice and
that's just okay. One or 'tother.

Now, I'm working on the assumption that they screwed up. Fine. What
I'm saying is that this so-called "special training" (your phrase
again) they got isn't up to the job. Some random Bobby may not carry
a gun, but those who do -- and are authorized to use force to
potentially preempt a terrorist act -- DAMNED WELL BETTER BE TRAINED
IN HOW TO MAKE A SNAP DECISION UNDER STRESS.

Your "special training" isn't worth ****.

In your opinion... besides which their SNAP DECISION was to shoot the
f_cker. And didnt they do it well. The fact they screwed up is neither here
or there... they took him out... The American police do the same, it
happens... i wont be shedding too many tears.. will you?