How dense can they all be?
 

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:19:45 -0500, wrote:

In emergencies,They could use Airplanes that have communicating
equipment or Blimps.In World War Two,some of the Swiss people used big
balloons that had their antennas mounted onto the balloons. (or maybe
the lines were the antennas) I don't remember if they used helium or
hydrogen to get the balloons up into the air.They had the lines of the
balloons attached to big wooden homemade reels.They would let the
balloons go up into the air and when they were through doing their
transmitting or receiving of broadcast,they would reel the balloons back
down.I read about that in a Saga or Bluebook for Men or a True magazine
(I don't remember which magazine it was) back in the 1950's so I might
not have all of the details of the article in the magazine exactly
right.It has been about 55 years ago since I read that article in the
magazine.
cuhulin

The military has specially equipped C-130s that can stay aloft for
long periods of time over an incident. They can broadcast TV, FM and
provide 2-way repeater service.

In hindsight,the people that were trapped in New Orleans BEFORE the
storm (Katrina) could have walked (given enough time/early warning)
across either of the bridges South (seeee,I told y'all before South is
always best) just across the Mississippi River fom New Orleans.Any cops
shooting in the air trying to turn them back,why H..L!,Rush the crooked
cops and throw them in the Big Muddy! (Mississippi River) New Orleans
should post information with big purty maps all over New
Orleans,EVERYWHERE FOREVER ALL over New Orleans of the greater New
Orleans metro areas that did not flood.
cuhulin

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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[snip]


They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms.


[snip]

I have no doubt your story is true, but you've left out the decisive
element. As a reader of rec.radio.shortwave, I cannot be expected to know
what I think until I know who I'm cheering/blaming. So, who is responsible
for this sharp-minded perspicuity/evasion? The Republicrats or the
Democans?

Frank Dresser

They have them little Pilotless Airplane thingys too.There is a company
in Starkville,Mississippi (somewhere wayyyyyyy up North in Mississippi)
that makes some of them and also Eurocopters (something about outfitting
them with electronics and stuff and over there near Meridian,Lockheed
Martin manufactures parts for Air Force Aircraft and Northrup Grumman in
Pascagoula builds Nuclear Ships and Submarines and also non nuclear
Ships.I don't know what all is manufactured in Mississippi
nowdays.Nissan has a factory just off the Gluckstat exit between Jackson
and Canton,there is talk that there might a Kia factory,the old Vickers
(Vickers merged with another company,I don't know what name they call
themselves nowdays) hydraulics factory in Jackson,every commercial
Airplane and Military Airplane you ever flown in has at least one
hydraulic pump or motor or valve in it) We have stuff on the Moon and
Mars.I can't keep up with everything.Po old Mississippi is changing.MFJ
is in Mississippi.I think Mississippi is changing too much,too fast.
cuhulin

5,000 hours staying aloft up in the air is just about tops for Jet
Aircraft.Otherwise,the lube oil starts congealing too much.Diesel
Locomotives Engines must be fired up and run for a while every few days
whether they are going anywhere or not so as to "burn off" the moisture
in the air that gets into the coils.
cuhulin

Both,Mr.Dresser,Both.There is not one pennys difference between the
so-called gop party and the dnc party and the liberal party
nowdays.Don't forget,I have told y'all a few times before that bush is
NOT a Republican,but a "Republican" in "name" ONLY! bush is a liberal.
cuhulin

NY Times has an interview with EX FEMA Chief Michael Brown today..

- Sounds like a total clusterfcuk, chaos, no coordination..
FEMA workers in tears;

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/....0915brown.php





Brenda Ann wrote:
I keep hearing on the news about the massive failure in communications after
Katrina (and they're also talking about the same thing after 9/11).

My question is... are these people completely clueless? Don't they have
engineers that they can talk to?

In the case of 9/11, where were the repeaters for the fire/police/etc? On
top of the WTC towers... and those lost power when the planes hit (at least
the upper floors), ergo, no comms. And they certainly weren't working after
the towers fell.

Now, I may be in error about the location of their repeaters, these may have
been elsewhere (the only other real choice would be the Empire State
Building), but again, walkie talkies don't work well inside of concrete
buildings.. range would be spotty at best.

They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms. Under those
conditions, no amount of additional spectrum space would make a whit of
difference.

This goes double or more for New Orleans. They could have all the spectrum
space in the world, but if the infrastructure to run it (electrical power,
antenna systems, etc.) is destroyed, it would avail them not at all. One of
the problems with UHF and VHF two way communications is that the antennas
need to be as high as possible, which makes them prime targets for hurricane
force winds. There are locat tactical frequencies that allow on scene
personnel to talk to one another, but those are very limited in range, and
furthermore the chargers for those handie talkies are sitting back at the
station which has no power, or limited time on generator power. Maybe
satellite coms are the answer, get away from terrestrial linkups that are
more fallible. And you can stuff a lot of PS comms on a single 72MHz wide Ku
band transponder.

So much for my little rant.. I just can't believe they're griping about the
government not doing enough to insure comms during an emergency, when in
some emergencies, such as a hurricane, tornado, or terrorist bombing, the
comms infrastructure may be the first thing to go, and there's not a hell of
a lot you can do about it.

Didn't "brownie" take the fall for chertoff?
cuhulin

JT or Dave,,, just said he was told there is a large (he just now said,,
600,isn't it?) number of dead.(Mississippi Gulf Coast areas)
www.supertalkms.com
cuhulin

I don't remember how much money it amounted to (about two hundred
million dollars,I think,but I could be way off on that) but about a year
or so ago,Mississippi spent a lot of money for some new technology so
that the Police and Sheriff's Department's radio communications will
work seameslessly together.The technology is for in case of bad weather
such as "Katrinas" and it helps communication in evacuating people down
South to further up North in Mississippi.It used to be that the Police
and Sheriff's Department's had their own seperate radio communications
systems and communicating between one and the other was sort of
difficult and created confusion between the Departments.Mississippi
spent that money very wisely.
cuhulin

Frank Dresser wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

[snip]

They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms.


[snip]

I have no doubt your story is true, but you've left out the decisive
element. As a reader of rec.radio.shortwave, I cannot be expected to know
what I think until I know who I'm cheering/blaming. So, who is responsible
for this sharp-minded perspicuity/evasion? The Republicrats or the
Democans?

Frank Dresser



Dempublicrats?


mike

Maybe it's five hundred hours,,, staying aloft,, Jet
Aircraft.Whichever,I am Right,as usual.Anyway,that reminds me,I am going
and read www.steynonline.com and I need to email Ruiari Roddy
(Ruiari is pronounced,Rewery as in,Brewery) over there at the
Cork,Ireland,Examiner online newspaper about something and email Barb
(Barbara) over there in Buckhead,Georgia.
cuhulin

dempublicrats,,, That's a Good One,m II.You nailed it.But,they
(so-called "republicans") are also liberals and bushbuttkisses too.
cuhulin

m II,may I coin your,demplublicrats,once in a while?
cuhulin

Ther are denser than a fifty billion billion billion trillion trillion
trillion sextrillion ton block of solid Lead.
cuhulin

wrote:
In emergencies,They could use Airplanes that have communicating
equipment or Blimps.In World War Two,some of the Swiss people used big
balloons that had their antennas mounted onto the balloons. (or maybe
the lines were the antennas) I don't remember if they used helium or
hydrogen to get the balloons up into the air.They had the lines of the
balloons attached to big wooden homemade reels.They would let the
balloons go up into the air and when they were through doing their
transmitting or receiving of broadcast,they would reel the balloons back
down.I read about that in a Saga or Bluebook for Men or a True magazine
(I don't remember which magazine it was) back in the 1950's so I might
not have all of the details of the article in the magazine exactly
right.It has been about 55 years ago since I read that article in the
magazine.
cuhulin

Had to be Hydrogen (or Hot air) The USA had the sole sources of
Comercail Helium and we would not seel it much abroad after all it was
clear airship were going to be vital in the next big war The result was
of Hidenburg burned because it used Hydrogen

I don't think anybody really knew why the Hindenburg really caught on
fire and exploded.I haven't ever seen or read anything about that before
that convinced me one way or the other.
cuhulin

wrote in message
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I don't think anybody really knew why the Hindenburg really caught on
fire and exploded.I haven't ever seen or read anything about that before
that convinced me one way or the other.
cuhulin

Not that you'll bother reading it...or the myriad of others on the net
similar to it:

http://www.hydrogenus.com/advocate/ad22zepp.htm

This article is pretty neat, too:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/769642.stm

Interesting articles.So perhaps it was the fabric covering of the
Hindenburg that caught fire.
cuhulin

wrote in message
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Interesting articles.So perhaps it was the fabric covering of the
Hindenburg that caught fire.

It sure looks that way.

"Honus" wrote:


wrote in message
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Interesting articles.So perhaps it was the fabric covering of the
Hindenburg that caught fire.

It sure looks that way.


The fabric was covered with Aluminum Paste which a class 3, If you
ever saw it burn in "color" you would know that is what started the
fire.

Powered Aluminum and other kinds of powered metals are often used by
movie studios for fire effects in some movies.I once worked at Metal
Trims Industries (a Division of Enryco in Ohio) here in Jackson for
about a year and a half back in the 1970's untill myself and some other
folks got laid off,I went and found me another job after I got laid
off,a better job too.The Company,Metal Trims Industries in Jackson went
out of business not long after that.I worked in the press department at
Metal Trims Industries.There were long round ingots of aluminium and we
used a metal cutting bandsaw to cut off whatever length of ingots as
were required for whichever paticular die was being used/placed into the
press at the time,many,many different dies we used there.There was an
electric heater built into the big horizontal press I worked at and a
hydraulic ram that pushed the heated up aluminum ingot through the
die.The aluminum ingots were extruded/pushed through the die and the
shape of the aluminum extrusions depended on whichever part number of
the dies we used in the press.It didn't take me long to learn how to use
a micrometer and jewelers files to keep the specifications of the dies
in proper shape/condition,sometimes I would have to use a ball peen
hammer and beat around on the face of the dies and file and file some
more untill I got those old worn out dies back into specifications,they
were a pain the ass sometimes,it was all part of the job.We always kept
a lot of sawdust scattered around on the floor area of the press because
sometimes the hot hydraulic fluid from the press would leak on the floor
and start a small fire and we used the sawdust to soak up the oil.You
couldn't be walking around on that crappy old concrete floor if it had
hydraulic fluid on there.I never actually saw any aluminum dust on fire
and burning when I worked there.
cuhulin

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:34:17 -0500, wrote:

Powered Aluminum and other kinds of powered metals are often used by
movie studios for fire effects in some movies.I once worked at Metal
Trims Industries (a Division of Enryco in Ohio) here in Jackson for
about a year and a half back in the 1970's untill myself and some other
folks got laid off,I went and found me another job after I got laid
off,a better job too.The Company,Metal Trims Industries in Jackson went
out of business not long after that.I worked in the press department at
Metal Trims Industries.There were long round ingots of aluminium and we
used a metal cutting bandsaw to cut off whatever length of ingots as
were required for whichever paticular die was being used/placed into the
press at the time,many,many different dies we used there.There was an
electric heater built into the big horizontal press I worked at and a
hydraulic ram that pushed the heated up aluminum ingot through the
die.The aluminum ingots were extruded/pushed through the die and the
shape of the aluminum extrusions depended on whichever part number of
the dies we used in the press.It didn't take me long to learn how to use
a micrometer and jewelers files to keep the specifications of the dies
in proper shape/condition,sometimes I would have to use a ball peen
hammer and beat around on the face of the dies and file and file some
more untill I got those old worn out dies back into specifications,they
were a pain the ass sometimes,it was all part of the job.We always kept
a lot of sawdust scattered around on the floor area of the press because
sometimes the hot hydraulic fluid from the press would leak on the floor
and start a small fire and we used the sawdust to soak up the oil.You
couldn't be walking around on that crappy old concrete floor if it had
hydraulic fluid on there.I never actually saw any aluminum dust on fire
and burning when I worked there.
cuhulin

didn't read the link so this may be OT. Bottom line is I have hear
several sources that think the hydrogen would flash burn much faster
than the Hindenburg film shows. Aluminum works as an accelerator but
needs a lot of heat to start. It may well be that it would not start
in a hydraulic fluid and sawdust fire but would start with a hydrogen
flame as the originating source. Look up thermite and how to make it
if you want interesting examples of burning things we don't think will
burn. Check with Vietnam era miltary about aluminum tank armor that
burned very well once set off.

;-)

I take it back,Canadians.The only good Canadian is a DEAD!!! Canadian.No
fooling either,, I am NOT!!! fooling at all.GO TO HELL!!!!!!,,
Canadians!!!!!!,, GO TO
HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
cuhulin

m II,, you and Honus still think I mess around with my little female
doggy? y'all are Sick!!!
cuhulin

Cuhulin - Forgive M II - He Can Not Help It
....after all He Is Cana-Duh-ian and usually
spends his Winters Clubing Baby Seals ~ RHF

F... a bunch of Seals.My girlfriend in Kirkwood,Missouri (ARADCOM,Scott
Air Force Base,Illinois and SL-60 near Pacific,Missouri) in 1963 owned a
pet Seal,throw a ball at him and he would catch it on his nose every
time and clap his fins and bark like a dog.
cuhulin

an_old_friend wrote:

Had to be Hydrogen (or Hot air) The USA had the sole sources of
Comercail Helium and we would not seel it much abroad after all it was
clear airship were going to be vital in the next big war The result was
of Hidenburg burned because it used Hydrogen


Helium is a trace element in the atmosphere. It is recovered when
air is compressed to a liquid, and the individual gases are boiled off
into separate storage tanks. The US government had a strategic reserve
of helium for military use, but anyone with enough money was able to
produce usable quantities of it. Air Products in the US operates these
"Air reduction plants". They have one in Middletown Ohio. The liquid
oxygen is sold to AK Steel for their bessimer converters that make pig
iron and iron slag out of raw materials.

--
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida