On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:19:45 -0500, wrote:

In emergencies,They could use Airplanes that have communicating
equipment or Blimps.In World War Two,some of the Swiss people used big
balloons that had their antennas mounted onto the balloons. (or maybe
the lines were the antennas) I don't remember if they used helium or
hydrogen to get the balloons up into the air.They had the lines of the
balloons attached to big wooden homemade reels.They would let the
balloons go up into the air and when they were through doing their
transmitting or receiving of broadcast,they would reel the balloons back
down.I read about that in a Saga or Bluebook for Men or a True magazine
(I don't remember which magazine it was) back in the 1950's so I might
not have all of the details of the article in the magazine exactly
right.It has been about 55 years ago since I read that article in the
magazine.
cuhulin

The military has specially equipped C-130s that can stay aloft for
long periods of time over an incident. They can broadcast TV, FM and
provide 2-way repeater service.

In hindsight,the people that were trapped in New Orleans BEFORE the
storm (Katrina) could have walked (given enough time/early warning)
across either of the bridges South (seeee,I told y'all before South is
always best) just across the Mississippi River fom New Orleans.Any cops
shooting in the air trying to turn them back,why H..L!,Rush the crooked
cops and throw them in the Big Muddy! (Mississippi River) New Orleans
should post information with big purty maps all over New
Orleans,EVERYWHERE FOREVER ALL over New Orleans of the greater New
Orleans metro areas that did not flood.
cuhulin

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms.


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I have no doubt your story is true, but you've left out the decisive
element. As a reader of rec.radio.shortwave, I cannot be expected to know
what I think until I know who I'm cheering/blaming. So, who is responsible
for this sharp-minded perspicuity/evasion? The Republicrats or the
Democans?

Frank Dresser

They have them little Pilotless Airplane thingys too.There is a company
in Starkville,Mississippi (somewhere wayyyyyyy up North in Mississippi)
that makes some of them and also Eurocopters (something about outfitting
them with electronics and stuff and over there near Meridian,Lockheed
Martin manufactures parts for Air Force Aircraft and Northrup Grumman in
Pascagoula builds Nuclear Ships and Submarines and also non nuclear
Ships.I don't know what all is manufactured in Mississippi
nowdays.Nissan has a factory just off the Gluckstat exit between Jackson
and Canton,there is talk that there might a Kia factory,the old Vickers
(Vickers merged with another company,I don't know what name they call
themselves nowdays) hydraulics factory in Jackson,every commercial
Airplane and Military Airplane you ever flown in has at least one
hydraulic pump or motor or valve in it) We have stuff on the Moon and
Mars.I can't keep up with everything.Po old Mississippi is changing.MFJ
is in Mississippi.I think Mississippi is changing too much,too fast.
cuhulin

5,000 hours staying aloft up in the air is just about tops for Jet
Aircraft.Otherwise,the lube oil starts congealing too much.Diesel
Locomotives Engines must be fired up and run for a while every few days
whether they are going anywhere or not so as to "burn off" the moisture
in the air that gets into the coils.
cuhulin

Both,Mr.Dresser,Both.There is not one pennys difference between the
so-called gop party and the dnc party and the liberal party
nowdays.Don't forget,I have told y'all a few times before that bush is
NOT a Republican,but a "Republican" in "name" ONLY! bush is a liberal.
cuhulin

NY Times has an interview with EX FEMA Chief Michael Brown today..

- Sounds like a total clusterfcuk, chaos, no coordination..
FEMA workers in tears;

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/....0915brown.php





Brenda Ann wrote:
I keep hearing on the news about the massive failure in communications after
Katrina (and they're also talking about the same thing after 9/11).

My question is... are these people completely clueless? Don't they have
engineers that they can talk to?

In the case of 9/11, where were the repeaters for the fire/police/etc? On
top of the WTC towers... and those lost power when the planes hit (at least
the upper floors), ergo, no comms. And they certainly weren't working after
the towers fell.

Now, I may be in error about the location of their repeaters, these may have
been elsewhere (the only other real choice would be the Empire State
Building), but again, walkie talkies don't work well inside of concrete
buildings.. range would be spotty at best.

They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms. Under those
conditions, no amount of additional spectrum space would make a whit of
difference.

This goes double or more for New Orleans. They could have all the spectrum
space in the world, but if the infrastructure to run it (electrical power,
antenna systems, etc.) is destroyed, it would avail them not at all. One of
the problems with UHF and VHF two way communications is that the antennas
need to be as high as possible, which makes them prime targets for hurricane
force winds. There are locat tactical frequencies that allow on scene
personnel to talk to one another, but those are very limited in range, and
furthermore the chargers for those handie talkies are sitting back at the
station which has no power, or limited time on generator power. Maybe
satellite coms are the answer, get away from terrestrial linkups that are
more fallible. And you can stuff a lot of PS comms on a single 72MHz wide Ku
band transponder.

So much for my little rant.. I just can't believe they're griping about the
government not doing enough to insure comms during an emergency, when in
some emergencies, such as a hurricane, tornado, or terrorist bombing, the
comms infrastructure may be the first thing to go, and there's not a hell of
a lot you can do about it.

Didn't "brownie" take the fall for chertoff?
cuhulin

JT or Dave,,, just said he was told there is a large (he just now said,,
600,isn't it?) number of dead.(Mississippi Gulf Coast areas)
www.supertalkms.com
cuhulin

I don't remember how much money it amounted to (about two hundred
million dollars,I think,but I could be way off on that) but about a year
or so ago,Mississippi spent a lot of money for some new technology so
that the Police and Sheriff's Department's radio communications will
work seameslessly together.The technology is for in case of bad weather
such as "Katrinas" and it helps communication in evacuating people down
South to further up North in Mississippi.It used to be that the Police
and Sheriff's Department's had their own seperate radio communications
systems and communicating between one and the other was sort of
difficult and created confusion between the Departments.Mississippi
spent that money very wisely.
cuhulin