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sony 2010 - what replaced it?
I am new to this and have been looking at a lot of reviews. It appears,
for my needs, the Sony 2010 is a real winner. But it is no longer available for purchase. Has there been a Sony model to replace it? The only model I can find is the ICF-SW7600GR. Is this intended to be the replacement? I read reviews on it and read that it is not quite as good as the Sony 2010. If I wanted the Sony 2010, what product should I get that comes closest to quality/value as the Sony 2010? -- clu |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
The Sony ICF-SW77 replaced the 2010, but the SW77 is no longer
manufactured. You can find them on ebay most of the time, though. I'm told that Sony doesn't intend to make a successor to the SW77. Steve |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
Since one cannot buy a new Sony 2010, or SW77, how does the SW07
compare with the SW7600GR? It's more expensive but is it better? From the reviews I've read so far, it doesn't appear to be better. ??? I'm about to make the SW7600GR purchase for $150 at amazon.com and just want to make sure I'm getting the best for the buck, so to speak. |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
Sony's ICF-SW07 is the company's current flagship shortwave receiver.
Performance-wise, it's really not appreciably different from the 'SW7600GR, in my opinion (the small size is nice, however). Since neither the ICF-SW07 nor the SW7600GR is quite in the same class as the '2010 or 'SW77, I think you'd do well to look at the Eton E1. Admittedly, it's on the higher end of the price scale where portables are concerned (although not that much higher than the 'SW77 back when it was sold new). Price aside, however, if the '2010 is the type of radio you're looking for (high performance, full featured portable) and you're looking to buy new, then the E1 is about the only option out there. And, thankfully, it seems to be a very nice performer, according the buzz out there. junius |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
The SW7600GR provides excellent bang-for-buck. One of the best buys
out there, actually. Although it's not quite a '2010 or 'SW77, I would consider the 'SW7600GR a best value in a compact travel-weight/size portable. |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
See if www.jr.com is still selling Sony 7600 GR radios.Last time I
checked jr.com a few months ago,they were selling for about $139.00. www.devilfinder.com J&R Music Company Sony 7600 GR Radios If you are interested in buying one of those Sony 7600 GR radios,look up J&R's toll free phone number and ask them about the radios,and your credit card or debit card handy.I think J&R has free shipping too. cuhulin |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
I would agree.. Consider getting it ( Sony 7600 ) at a shortwave store.. C Crane sold me a Sangean 606A years back, - then put in sensitivity mods; replaced the antenna , etc. Sony 7600, Computer speakers or good headphones and an external antenna should do 99% of what you want in a SW receiver .. . |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
E1 review here http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone1.htm Ther is also one up there by Dr Phil, in PDF Format |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
I guess Sony could start reproducing the Sony 2010's again if they
wanted to,,,, assuming parts are still available,and I believe they are.Sony could dress them up in a new plastic dress though and perhaps add one or two other features.The Sony 2020's perhaps? cuhulin |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
- Easier for someone to build a better box than reproduce 20 year old technology IMHO.. |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
In article ,
wrote: I guess Sony could start reproducing the Sony 2010's again if they wanted to,,,, assuming parts are still available,and I believe they are.Sony could dress them up in a new plastic dress though and perhaps add one or two other features.The Sony 2020's perhaps? Not likely. The 2010 was an odd design. Sony had dropped the ICF-2001 design in favor of the smaller ICF-2002. When they finaly realized that the 100's of AM-Stereo receivers they were selling a year would never use up their supply of decoder chips, they looked for an alternate solution. What they came up with was the ICF-2010. It was a much improved ICF-2001, with the AM stereo decoder chip used as a sync detector. A brilliant idea, they ICF-2010 sold like hot cakes when it first came out (around 1986-87) and was still sold well into this decade. However they eventualy ran out of chips. To make a replacement would require the development of a new sync detector chip. This would push the price of a 2020 as you called it well over $500 a unit. Actualy at that price it would be a bargain, I paid close to $400 for a 2010, air freighted from Japan before they were available in the U.S. Of that over $350 was for the receiver in 1987 dollars. In 2005 dollars, it would be a lot more. How many people would buy a radio at that price? Certainly enough to make it the talk of this newsgroup. But would it be enough to pay of the development costs? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 You should have boycotted Google while you could, now Google supported BPL is in action. Time is running out on worldwide radio communication. |
Replacement for the Sony ICF-2010 and ICF-SW77 Radios - Think the new Etón E1 AM/FM Shortwave Receiver with XM Satellite Radio !
CLU,
If you are interested in a 'replacement' for the Sony ICF-2010 and Sony ICF-SW77 Radios : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E...o/message/1531 THINK {Consider} the new Etón E1 AM/FM Shortwave Receiver with XM Satellite Radio. You should "Read" the Review of the Etón E1 AM/FM Shortwave Radio - by Jay Allen on Radio Intel .Com http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone1.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E...o/message/1528 He compares the Etón E1 Radio to : * Sony ICF-SW77 { Discontinued } * Grundig Satellit 800 Millennium { Still Being Made } * Sony ICF-2010 { The Legend - But No Longer Being Made } Also - Another Must Read Is -Dr. Phils Side-by-Side Comparison of the Etón E1 AM/FM Shortwave Radio with the Grundig Satellit 800 Radio. http://www.radiointel.com/phil/e1xmvssat800.pdf http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E...o/message/1530 - - - Hosted by Radio Intel .Com . All are WELCOME and "Invited to Join" the ETON 'Elite' E1 XM Radio eGroup on YAHOO ! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/ Where the Topic is the Eton 'Elite' E1 Receiver with XM Satellite Radio. = http://tinyurl.com/9lfd7 . . what more can i say - e1'ing you all ~ RHF ETON E1 = http://tinyurl.com/9lfd7 .. . . .. . . .. .. . . Out ! |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
www.devilfinder.com History of Watkins Johnson Radios
I don't see how any Radios can be better than Watkins Johnson Radios,regardless of price. cuhulin |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
I don't see how any Radios can be better than Watkins Johnson
Radios,regardless of price. cuhulin The Harris RF-series get very high marks. I have been thinking about getting an RF-550 for awhile now. It wouldn't be a portable, alas... ;-) Bruce Jensen |
Replacement for the Sony ICF-2010 and ICF-SW77 Radios - Thinkt...
I will wait untill I can buy one for two dollars at the Goodwill thrift
store,six tenths of a mile South of my Blueberry doggys couch. cuhulin |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
I like big radios with lots of breathing room in them.
cuhulin |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
However they eventualy ran out of chips. To make a replacement would require the development of a new sync detector chip. This would push the price of a 2020 as you called it well over $500 a unit. I don't buy that story. They could run another lot of the chips if the process was still available, or use a newer chip like the one in the 7600GR. There are other components that may not have been available. But Sony has a suitable sync detector chip still in production. craigm |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
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sony 2010 - what replaced it?
Building chips in mass quantitys doesn't cost much money per each
chip.Look at the chips in your computer.It isn't as if they would need to design a completly new chip,in my opinion.All they would need to do is start another run of chips. cuhulin |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
On 19 Oct 2005 11:54:51 -0700, "clu" wrote:
I am new to this and have been looking at a lot of reviews. It appears, for my needs, the Sony 2010 is a real winner. But it is no longer available for purchase. Has there been a Sony model to replace it? The only model I can find is the ICF-SW7600GR. Is this intended to be the replacement? I read reviews on it and read that it is not quite as good as the Sony 2010. If I wanted the Sony 2010, what product should I get that comes closest to quality/value as the Sony 2010? The 2010 was developed and refined in the 1970s, and there is probably no "modern" Sony of comparable design. If you like the 2010, your best bet is to look on eBay. Try http://electronics.listings.ebay.com...istingItemList and do a search. (By the way, the Japan Radio Company NRD-525 is as good or better than the Sony, but will most likely be on eBay cheaper. Had one since 1988, and not a single burp.) bob k5qwg |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
In article ,
wrote: Building chips in mass quantitys doesn't cost much money per each chip.Look at the chips in your computer.It isn't as if they would need to design a completly new chip,in my opinion.All they would need to do is start another run of chips. Not possible. Chip design and manufacturing has changed greatly since the early '80s. You would have to redesign the chips with modern materials and manufacuring methods. The cost of doing this would be too high for chips made in small quantities. For example, wires were soldered to the chips. It is now illegal to sell chips in most places with lead, e.g. solder, in them. New technqiues have been developed, but that changes the capacitance and conductivity of them which changes it's RF characteristics. If you don't think so, ask on sci.electronics.repair about the availabilty of old chips and the possibility of getting new ones made. For example, if it were a simple chip and it cost $500,000 to make a real working chip, as opposed to a first run "test chip", how many would you have to sell in order to make money? It would be cheaper to re-do it in a DSP chip. However you did it, you still would have to spend several hundred thousand dollars designing and programing the radio. By the time you are done and have a working design ready for the street, with documentation, etc, you will have spent close to $1m. Assuming the actual unit costs $250 to manufacture, add $100 for development, another $50 for packaging, advertisment and tech support and you have a cost of $400 which translates to a street price of $800. This is assuming 10,000 units made in the first production run before the costs would be made back. With the current state of shortwave listening, I'm not sure you could sell 10,000 units. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 You should have boycotted Google while you could, now Google supported BPL is in action. Time is running out on worldwide radio communication. |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:46 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: Building chips in mass quantitys doesn't cost much money per each chip.Look at the chips in your computer.It isn't as if they would need to design a completly new chip,in my opinion.All they would need to do is start another run of chips. Not possible. Chip design and manufacturing has changed greatly since the early '80s. You would have to redesign the chips with modern materials and manufacuring methods. The cost of doing this would be too high for chips made in small quantities. For example, wires were soldered to the chips. It is now illegal to sell chips in most places with lead, e.g. solder, in them. New technqiues have been developed, but that changes the capacitance and conductivity of them which changes it's RF characteristics. Aren't the wires in chips wire bonded, which is akin to spot welding? Have the "most places" who've banned the presumed chips with lead in them also banned lead in the soldered connections on circuit boards? I take it you mean banned outright, not just banned from landfills and incenerators. They have banned lead, but largely because of the fumes from the production of the products, Pure tin solders have some very interesting problems of their own, and it has been a very unpleasant experience for the Military. Under conditions not well understood, the tin will grow crystals sometimes, and the crystals can and do create new connections that were never intended, usually with less than desireable consequences... |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
"matt weber" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:46 GMT, "Frank Dresser" wrote: They have banned lead, but largely because of the fumes from the production of the products, I think the various lead bans are intended to keep lead out of the air and drinking water. That is, no more lead in gasoline and no more lead based plumbing solder. Much nasiter stuff than lead is used everyday in industrial processes, and there aren't many problems. I'd think government standards for industrial lead use would have to do more with exposure, ventilation and training, rather than an outright ban. But I don't know, and you might be right. Pure tin solders have some very interesting problems of their own, and it has been a very unpleasant experience for the Military. Under conditions not well understood, the tin will grow crystals sometimes, and the crystals can and do create new connections that were never intended, usually with less than desireable consequences... Yep. Tin whiskers. Check out: http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/ Interestingly, one of the recommended ways to reduce tin whiskering is to avoid using pure tin plating and use tin-lead plating, instead. Frank Dresser |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
clu wrote: I am new to this and have been looking at a lot of reviews. It appears, for my needs, the Sony 2010 is a real winner. But it is no longer available for purchase. Has there been a Sony model to replace it? The only model I can find is the ICF-SW7600GR. Is this intended to be the replacement? I read reviews on it and read that it is not quite as good as the Sony 2010. If I wanted the Sony 2010, what product should I get that comes closest to quality/value as the Sony 2010? -- clu Nothing comnparable replaced it imho. If you are looking for a 2010 then look for a good used one. It is a very nice radio, and nothing comes close to it's size, good design, performance and ease of use. That said you will get good performance from a Sony 7600 current model at $130.00 or almost as good performance from a little chinese Degen DE1103 for about $50.00 |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
I know something about lead dust in the air.I once worked at a factory
in Florence,Mississippi that manufactured batteries for cars and 18 wheeler trucks and lawn mowers and also six volt old style batteries for older model MG cars.The factory had a lot of big ducts in the ceiling and big vacuum pumps that pulled the air inside of the factory up into the ducts and that air was filtered with big industial filters,the factory couldn't let lead dust get into the air outside of the factory.At regular intevals,our blood was tested to see if there was any lead getting into our blood stream.Sometimes,we would have to wear little Miners vacuum pumps in one of our hip pockets during our work shifts.The little Miners vacuum pumps had a piece of clear flexible hose and a clip that let the hose be clipped on our shirts up near our necks and there was a little round holder thingy with a little special piece of paper in the holder.The little papers were sent off somewhere to be tested.It it was determined we had been working too long in whatever part of the factory and we were breathing air that had too much lead dust in the air,we were moved to another part of the factory for a few weeks that didn't have as much lead dust in the air.It was a lot of loud noises inside of that factory too and at regular intervals,there was a van that had special instruments and earphones that we put on to see if we could hear certain kinds of low volume noises.If you were in the Military before,you know what kind of hearing test I am talking about.At the end of our daily work shifts,we all took a shower and put our regular clothes on and we left our work uniforms at the factory.Nobody wants to get home from work and spread lead dust all over the place.y'all think Iraq is hot in the Summer time,,, go work in an auto battery factory and y'all will know what real heat is like,I Guarantee y'all that! cuhulin |
sony 2010 - what replaced it?
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