Beerbarrel wrote:

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg

Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

Limited mental capacity on the part of the 'tard boy Liberals!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

The Associated Press
PANAMA CITY, Panama*Nov 7, 2005 ‹*President Bush vigorously defended U.S.
interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a
congressional drive to outlaw torture.
"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America
again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will
do so under the law."
He declared, "We do not torture."

Greg

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg



Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up.

Greg

Greg wrote:

From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

The Associated Press
PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 ‹ President Bush vigorously defended U.S.
interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a
congressional drive to outlaw torture.
"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America
again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will
do so under the law."
He declared, "We do not torture."

'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk,
cookies and a pat on the head.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Greg wrote:

From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Yep and even though uncertain one has to make a decision. Had President Bush not
made the decision that he did, and Hussein did use WMD's then you stupid
Liberals would be bitching about that and asking why nothing was done.

There's no pleasing you Kool-Aid drinkers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Greg wrote:

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg



Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up.

Heck, I thought the subject was your 'tardism.

Run along now, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

From: dxAce
Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500
Subject: the church of bush



Greg wrote:

From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

The Associated Press
PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 ‹ President Bush vigorously defended U.S.
interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a
congressional drive to outlaw torture.
"There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America
again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will
do so under the law."
He declared, "We do not torture."

'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some
milk,
cookies and a pat on the head.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda
destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small
attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're
supposed to be opposed to?

Greg

bush's troubles mount as Republican defections increase.
www.globalnewsmatrix.com

There are similar aricles all over the internet news sites.I don't think
the GOP will ever be popular again as long as bush and cheney are in
there.It is a down hill skid that has no stopping.Anyway,don't blame it
on me,I had nothing to do with it.
cuhulin

From: dxAce
Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:22:28 -0500
Subject: the church of bush



Greg wrote:

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which
he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second,
"These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg



Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up.

Heck, I thought the subject was your 'tardism.

Run along now, boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Keep dreamin' Drakeman.

Greg

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: the church of bush

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600
Subject: the church of bush

John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies

Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for
entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies?

All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM
commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni
is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he
says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . .
I don't care what happens to my career."

Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post:

"Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning,
underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The
longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our
approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire."

Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he
endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick
Cheney speak to a VFW convention.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them
to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni
had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar
with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the
intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' "

That's right. Zinni says that "never ‹ not once ‹ did [the intelligence]
say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney
left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush
Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These
guys don't understand what they are getting into."

(http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php

Greg



Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to
forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt!

The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up.

Greg



Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it?



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