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Our messageboard on the Home Page of the abpve site seeks your
comments here and There !!!!!!!

Also thanks to Greenpeace who have alreadysunk nine whalinf ships and
are heading into the South Antartic Seas to save the whale killings in
Australian Waters by Japanese Whalers

http://whales.greenpeace.org/

Keith



Help Great Bear Campaign Achieve Victory!



The campaign to save the Great Bear Rainforest, the world's largest
temperate rainforest located on the Central and North coasts of British
Columbia, Canada, is very close to a huge victory -- so close that a
historic agreement could be finalized within days -- but the provincial
government of British Columbia needs to feel pressure from people all
over the world right now to ensure that it takes one final step. PLEASE
WRITE A LETTER TO THE GOVERNMENT through the website:

www.savethegreatbear.org
If implemented, the Great Bear Rainforest agreement would be
unprecented in Canadian history. It would protect 33% of the Central
and North Coast regions (an area twice the size of Switzerland) from
logging, where all previous land use plans in BC have only protected
between 7% (Okanagan) to 14% (Lower Mainland) of their regions.
Please read the following statements from Greenpeace and from Guujaw
and Art Steritt of the coastal First Nations, and take action!

The Great Bear Rainforest - a decisive moment in history

Decisions are being made right now that will determine the future of
the Great Bear Rainforest and one party -- the Government of British
Columbia -- represents the final hold out. The logging industry,
unions, local communities, mining, recreational users, tourism
industry, Greenpeace and other environmental groups have put a
consensus recommendation forward. First Nations have melded these
recommendations with their own land use visions and are also ready for
change in the Great Bear Rainforest.

At this moment in time, this is the agreement that will be moved
forward or rejected. Please act now by sending a fax to the Premier of
British Columbia

We're talking about a massive paradigm shift

The scale of agreements in the Great Bear Rainforest go beyond
protecting one single valley or establishing of one sustainable
business venture. The campaign goals we all embarked on were grand and
visionary covering 21 million acres, the traditional territory of 17
First Nations, and a region of economic importance to many, including 5
major multinational logging companies. To be successful and sustainable
in this complicated political, economic and environmental landscape,
conservation in the Great Bear Rainforest must not only protect the
ecosystem, but also leverage change in multinational economic forces,
respect indigenous cultures, and strengthen local stewardship efforts
and economies.

The Government of British Columbia is currently confronted with a
choice to support agreements that include:

Protect of an area 5 times the size of Prince Edward Island.

A commitment to take a first step and see implementation of new logging
practices by 2009.

$120 million for First Nations to manage their parks, restore damaged
watersheds, and build their tourism and alternative energy businesses.
Up to an additional $80 million in socially responsible investments
will be available for both native and non-native communities with ties
to the current economy of the Great Bear Rainforest. Together these
funds will enable locals to direct a new economy, rather than rely on
multinational corporations that chose to enter the region (such as
salmon farming and logging companies).

The protected areas network alone is not the only part of this package
that addresses the future of the ecology of the Great Bear Rainforest.
While it is the largest coastal rainforest protection package in
Canadian history, what is on the table for consideration by the
Government of British Columbia is about much more.

Government is letting this opportunity slide away and all that remains
certain in the Great Bear Rainforest is 7% in existing protection,
continued clearcut logging and communities with up to 80% unemployment
and few options.

Help Greenpeace wake them up and turn the vision for the Great Bear
Rainforest into reality

Amanda Carr
Greenpeace Forests Campaigner

To help save the Great Bear Rainforest, please send a fax to the BC
government through the website www.savethegreatbear.org

***********
Best Chance for Coastal Rainforest

by Art Sterritt and Guujaaw
Some continue to claim the proposed land use agreements to protect
B.C.'s Central and North Coast -- also known as the Great Bear
Rainforest -- and the islands of Haida Gwaii don't go far enough.
Others
think it goes too far.

As 12 first nations who live in these regions, our traditional
territory, and who have 8,000 years of on-the-ground management
experience, we believe those who make those claim fail to consider one
critical question.
How do we integrate the needs of natural systems with the needs of the
people who depend upon them for their livelihoods and way of life?

We live and work on this coast, where the forest and waters are a vital

natural, cultural and economic resource for first nations, coastal
communities and B.C. as a whole.
To be successful, land use agreements must not only preserve the land
and protect its ecological integrity -- they must also respect
indigenous cultures and strengthen local economies.

To be successful, conservation must be sustainable, both ecologically
and economically.

The coastal land use agreements, currently awaiting cabinet approval,
do
both.

In these agreements, the total size of protected areas would be
quadrupled to secure many of its most sensitive and intact valleys and
islands.

This will be more than seven million acres of area protected from
logging on the Central and North Coast and Haida Gwaii.
When approved, it will be the largest temperate rainforest protection
package in Canadian history. The agreements also represent the first
effort to apply ecosystem-based management on all areas outside the
protected areas.
This amounts to re-engineering an entire regional economy, tuning it to

measurable indicators of ecological health and human well-being.

Through a declaration signed in June 2000, Coastal First Nations
committed to making decisions that ensure the well-being of our lands
and waters, and to preserve and renew their territories and cultures
through tradition, knowledge, and authority.

Since then, this position has not changed, only strengthened, as we
seek
to find more opportunities for conservation approaches based on
independent science and local and traditional knowledge.

As well, we are looking for approaches for our coastal communities
where
unemployment and poverty rates are well above national averages.

The intricate process that has led to this stage represents a
commitment
to a new relationship between the provincial government and first
nations.

Beyond mere consultation, this government-to-government relationship
will allow for a more just approach to land use decisions today and in
the future.

We believe the application of these land use agreements present the
world with its best chance yet to integrate conservation, community
development and first nations self-determination. We are supported by
Greenpeace, ForestEthics, the Sierra Club of Canada B.C. Chapter, the
Rainforest Action Network, the Nature Conservancy and others.
We are proud to support these agreements and are working with the
British Columbia government to develop legal and legislative tools to
make them a reality.

Art Sterritt is executive director of the Coastal First Nations of the
Turning Point Initiative Society.

Guujaaw is the president of the Council of Haida Nation.

*** Send a message to the BC government to protect the Great Bear
Rainforest at: http://www.savethegreatbear.org

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www.devilfinder.com Bear Hunting Mississippi

The famous Teddy Bear originated here in Mississippi.
www.devilfinder.com Mississippi Trivia

Theodore "Teddy" Roosvelt just didn't have the heart to shoot that
Bear.(Bear Archery Bows and Arrows are manufactured in Michigan,
www.devilfinder.com Bear Archery Company Michigan)

Whales? not unless there are some Whales out there in the Mississippi
Gulf Coast,which I dont think there are.There is some other great
fishing out there though. www.devilfinder.com Mississippi Gulf
Coast Deep Sea Fishing Rodeo
cuhulin

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By the way,,, S...w! greenpeace.
cuhulin

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"http://www.lookaboutusa.com/" wrote in message
oups.com...
Also thanks to Greenpeace who have alreadysunk nine whalinf ships and
are heading into the South Antartic Seas to save the whale killings in
Australian Waters by Japanese Whalers

DEATH TO GREENPEACE TERRORISTS!

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http://www.lookaboutusa.com/ wrote:
Also thanks to Greenpeace who have alreadysunk nine whalinf ships

Goddamned ****ing terrorists.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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DEATH TO JAPANESE WHALING TERRORISTS!

Bruce Jensen

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They have to kill them Whales for those Whaleburgers they sell in those
fast food eat joints on the North Island of Hokkaido,Japan.They have a
special way they fry that Whale blubber so it doesn't taste so awfull
gunky and greasy. www.devilfinder.com Whaleburgers Hokkaido
Japan
cuhulin

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clifto wrote:

http://www.lookaboutusa.com/ wrote:
Also thanks to Greenpeace who have alreadysunk nine whalinf ships

Goddamned ****ing terrorists.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

If terrorism is required to make sure that another species doesn't get
delegated to the heap on non-existence then so be it!

JB

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"John Barnard" wrote in message
...


clifto wrote:

http://www.lookaboutusa.com/ wrote:
Also thanks to Greenpeace who have alreadysunk nine whalinf
ships

Goddamned ****ing terrorists.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential
nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang
Zemin.

If terrorism is required to make sure that another species doesn't
get
delegated to the heap on non-existence then so be it!

Does Greenpeace attack Inuits who go whale hunting?
Just curious.

--Mike L.

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Does Greenpeace attack Inuits who go whale hunting?
Just curious.

--Mike L

Greenpeace, AFAIK, harasses the big factory whaling operations that
massacre hundreds at a time. While I am certain that many of them
sympathize directly with the whales (I know I do), their fundamental
goal is species and oceanic preservation. The same is essentially true
of Sea Shepherd, although I think their people may even more strongly
identify with the plight of the whale being hunted.

I don't think they bother the Inuits or others who hunt on a
subsistence basis, although if the target species is truly endangered
they work to find other options.

Bruce Jensen

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"John Barnard" wrote in message
...


clifto wrote:

http://www.lookaboutusa.com/ wrote:
Also thanks to Greenpeace who have alreadysunk nine whalinf ships

Goddamned ****ing terrorists.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

If terrorism is required to make sure that another species doesn't get
delegated to the heap on non-existence then so be it!

I bet you're a PETAphile too.

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I bet you're a PETAphile too.

Don't know about JB, but I am. If it's opposed to cruelty to, or
exploitation of, children or critters, I'm for it.

Bruce Jensen

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"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
I bet you're a PETAphile too.

Don't know about JB, but I am. If it's opposed to cruelty to, or
exploitation of, children or critters, I'm for it.

You DO realize PETA is a major contributor to known domestic terrorist
organizations like ALF and ELF. So you're all for firebombing car
dealerships as well then.

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MnMikew wrote:

"bpnjensen" wrote in message

oups.com...

I bet you're a PETAphile too.

Don't know about JB, but I am. If it's opposed to cruelty to, or
exploitation of, children or critters, I'm for it.

You DO realize PETA is a major contributor to known domestic terrorist
organizations like ALF and ELF. So you're all for firebombing car
dealerships as well then.

I do not know this for certain; if you can provide some proof, either
rmaterial, an eyewitness account or a conviction in a court of law, I
will accept it. Having said that -

Unless a human being is harmed by one of these groups, I do not
consider an organization "terrorist." Civilly disobedient, certainly.
Guilty of property destruction, yes, sometimes. Terrorist? *No,* as
long as no humans are physically. As far as property destruction goes,
I am not in favor of bombing car dealerships or people's homes.

If, however, you consider it a terrorist organization despite lack of
human injury or death, then count me among the terrorists. Animals are
terrorized, abused, vivisected, cruelly beaten and murdered every day
in thousands of ways and circumstances, at the hands of humans who have
no special claim to any right to do so. I feel little sympathy for a
person whose pertinent property is destroyed when he or she shamelessly
abuses and tortures pain-feeling creatures on a business-as-usual
basis. This is fascism, true blue unadulterated fascism by definition
at its terrifying worst, and the animals have no voice, no vote, no
recourse whatsoever - except by those who stick up for them.

I am solidly in favor of working to educate and legislate compassion
and rights for animals. When this fails, as it so often does in the
ethically corrupt human political world, then it is fair to fight fire
with fire - so long as no human is physically harmed. Yes, I believe
that, and make no apology whatsoever. I know in my heart that the
sanctity of material possessions cannot compare with the sanctity of a
living creature's freedom from abuse.

There are various related issues, and I will be happy to discuss them
in private, not on this messy forum.

Bruce Jensen

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bpnjensen wrote:

MnMikew wrote:

"bpnjensen" wrote in message

oups.com...

I bet you're a PETAphile too.

Don't know about JB, but I am. If it's opposed to cruelty to, or
exploitation of, children or critters, I'm for it.

You DO realize PETA is a major contributor to known domestic terrorist
organizations like ALF and ELF. So you're all for firebombing car
dealerships as well then.

I do not know this for certain; if you can provide some proof, either
rmaterial, an eyewitness account or a conviction in a court of law, I
will accept it. Having said that -

Unless a human being is harmed by one of these groups, I do not
consider an organization "terrorist." Civilly disobedient, certainly.
Guilty of property destruction, yes, sometimes. Terrorist? *No,* as
long as no humans are physically. As far as property destruction goes,
I am not in favor of bombing car dealerships or people's homes.

If, however, you consider it a terrorist organization despite lack of
human injury or death, then count me among the terrorists. Animals are
terrorized, abused, vivisected, cruelly beaten and murdered every day
in thousands of ways and circumstances, at the hands of humans who have
no special claim to any right to do so. I feel little sympathy for a
person whose pertinent property is destroyed when he or she shamelessly
abuses and tortures pain-feeling creatures on a business-as-usual
basis. This is fascism, true blue unadulterated fascism by definition
at its terrifying worst, and the animals have no voice, no vote, no
recourse whatsoever - except by those who stick up for them.

I am solidly in favor of working to educate and legislate compassion
and rights for animals. When this fails, as it so often does in the
ethically corrupt human political world, then it is fair to fight fire
with fire - so long as no human is physically harmed. Yes, I believe
that, and make no apology whatsoever. I know in my heart that the
sanctity of material possessions cannot compare with the sanctity of a
living creature's freedom from abuse.

There are various related issues, and I will be happy to discuss them
in private, not on this messy forum.

Damn, I'm sure hungry for a steak!

Meat: It's what real DX'ers have for dinner.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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Meat: It's what real DX'ers have for dinner.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

It's what fools use to clog their arteries.

BJ

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"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
I do not know this for certain; if you can provide some proof, either
rmaterial, an eyewitness account or a conviction in a court of law, I
will accept it. Having said that -

http://www.animalscam.com/references/peta_rodney1.cfm

Unless a human being is harmed by one of these groups, I do not
consider an organization "terrorist."

You can't be serious? One does not have to kill or injure to terrorize.

If, however, you consider it a terrorist organization despite lack of
human injury or death, then count me among the terrorists. Animals are
terrorized, abused, vivisected, cruelly beaten and murdered every day
in thousands of ways and circumstances, at the hands of humans who have
no special claim to any right to do so. I feel little sympathy for a
person whose pertinent property is destroyed when he or she shamelessly
abuses and tortures pain-feeling creatures on a business-as-usual
basis.

So is medical research considered shameless abuse or torture? Then I guess
your OK with bombing University research labs.

This is fascism, true blue unadulterated fascism by definition
at its terrifying worst, and the animals have no voice, no vote, no
recourse whatsoever - except by those who stick up for them.

No, it's unadulterated terrorism, period.


There are various related issues, and I will be happy to discuss them
in private, not on this messy forum.

Bruce Jensen

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"Carter-K8VT" wrote in message
m...
dx-so called-"ace" wrote:

Damn, I'm sure hungry for a steak!

Meat: It's what real DX'ers have for dinner.

Paging the so-called "ace"...Paging the so-called "ace"...

...your soy burger is ready.

Soy, the vegetarians other white meat.

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MnMikew wrote:

You can't be serious? One does not have to kill or injure to terrorize.

No? What must one do, then? Define "terror" for me. Then I'll define
it again for you, since you didn't seem to latch onto who the real
terrorists are.

If "terror" is freeing animals from unspeakable misery, then I am a
terrorist sympathizer. I am not in favor of unnecessary damage.

As I told you, I'll be happy to discuss various aspects in private
(Like medical research).

Bruce Jensen

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dxAce wrote:

You spend a lot of your time worrying, don't you?

Yeah - It's a hallmark of people who give a damn about something.

That'll kill ya too.

Something's gotta do it, right?

Bruce Jensen

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bpnjensen wrote:

dxAce wrote:

You spend a lot of your time worrying, don't you?

Yeah - It's a hallmark of people who give a damn about something.

That'll kill ya too.

Something's gotta do it, right?

Meat: What real DX'ers have for dinner.

Yum!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
MnMikew wrote:

You can't be serious? One does not have to kill or injure to terrorize.

No? What must one do, then? Define "terror" for me. Then I'll define
it again for you, since you didn't seem to latch onto who the real
terrorists are.

If "terror" is freeing animals from unspeakable misery, then I am a
terrorist sympathizer. I am not in favor of unnecessary damage.

Explain the dumpster full of dead animals that PETA killed.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/press...fm/release/109

Since you didnt seem to latch on to it here it is for you.

terrorize
v 1: coerce by violence or with threats [syn: terrorise]
2: fill with terror; frighten greatly [syn: terrify, terrorise]

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MnMikew wrote:
Since you didnt seem to latch on to it here it is for you.

terrorize
v 1: coerce by violence or with threats [syn: terrorise]
2: fill with terror; frighten greatly [syn: terrify, terrorise]

How much clearer can it be? If you don't do what they tell you to do,
they will sneak up on your back and do you serious harm.

--
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.

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Explain the dumpster full of dead animals that PETA killed.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/press...fm/release/109

Thanks, I will look into this. Meanwhile, who really funds this
website?

Since you didnt seem to latch on to it here it is for you.

terrorize
v 1: coerce by violence or with threats [syn: terrorise]
2: fill with terror; frighten greatly [syn: terrify, terrorise]

I agree with neither of these as appropriate tactics.

Having said this, it is then up to people to argue as to whether
specific actions constitute "terrorism." We may have differences of
opinion. Using explosives on labs definitely qualifies, as it raises
questions in the minds of owners and workers whether or not they could
be targeted during working hours. OTOH, mechanical destruction of
cages or abusive equipment does not, since the act and the result pose
no threat to the physical well-being of any worker.

I am not saying it isn't a crime - but it isn't terrorism.

Bruce Jensen

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bpnjensen wrote:

dxAce wrote:

You spend a lot of your time worrying, don't you?

Yeah - It's a hallmark of people who give a damn about something.

No - It's a hallmark of people who sit around and do nothing. Folks who actually
go out and accomplish things don't spend time worrying.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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No - It's a hallmark of people who sit around and do nothing. Folks who actually
go out and accomplish things don't spend time worrying.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

You plainly know not of what you speak.

Bruce Jensen

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bpnjensen wrote:

No - It's a hallmark of people who sit around and do nothing. Folks who actually
go out and accomplish things don't spend time worrying.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

You plainly know not of what you speak.

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect!

Stop worrying and get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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You plainly know not of what you speak.

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect!

Stop worrying and get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Nope - you're clearly out to lunch with your gross assumption, as
usual.

Your move.

Bruce

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bpnjensen wrote:

You plainly know not of what you speak.

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect!

Stop worrying and get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Nope - you're clearly out to lunch with your gross assumption, as
usual.

Your move.

LMFAO

It's not an assumption, it's simply reality.

Like I said, stop worrying and get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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It's not an assumption, it's simply reality.

Like I said, stop worrying and get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I'm sure that in your isolated little fantasy world, it seems true.
Sad.

BJ

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bpnjensen wrote:

It's not an assumption, it's simply reality.

Like I said, stop worrying and get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I'm sure that in your isolated little fantasy world, it seems true.

Fantasy world? Surely you jest. If anyone is in a fantasy world it's you.

You need to get a grip on reality, Jensen.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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Fantasy world? Surely you jest. If anyone is in a fantasy world it's you.

You need to get a grip on reality, Jensen.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Like you'd know the first thing about reality, Cookie. HA!

BJ

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bpnjensen wrote:

Fantasy world? Surely you jest. If anyone is in a fantasy world it's you.

You need to get a grip on reality, Jensen.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Like you'd know the first thing about reality, Cookie. HA!

More than you, obviously!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
Fantasy world? Surely you jest. If anyone is in a fantasy world it's you.

You need to get a grip on reality, Jensen.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Like you'd know the first thing about reality, Cookie. HA!

True, but he's got a dreamy prize-winning QSL collection, and can laugh at
dead servicemen with the best of them.

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yojimbo wrote:

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
Fantasy world? Surely you jest. If anyone is in a fantasy world it's you.

You need to get a grip on reality, Jensen.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Like you'd know the first thing about reality, Cookie. HA!

True, but he's got a dreamy prize-winning QSL collection, and can laugh at
dead servicemen with the best of them.

Nah, I just laugh at dumbass 'tard boys. I laugh even harder if those 'tard boys
are dumbass Canucks.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Nah, I just laugh at dumbass 'tard boys. I laugh even harder if those
'tard boys
are dumbass Canucks.

Dumbass Canucks that chop down the pine trees the Pentagon uses to gift-wrap
their flag-draped heroes. Yeah, it's funny bein' a dumbass. Who'd be so
stupid as to want to live in peace at home when you can start wars and die
abroad??? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
Explain the dumpster full of dead animals that PETA killed.
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/press...fm/release/109

Thanks, I will look into this. Meanwhile, who really funds this
website?

I have no idea. This has been reported in many news orgs.

Since you didnt seem to latch on to it here it is for you.

terrorize
v 1: coerce by violence or with threats [syn: terrorise]
2: fill with terror; frighten greatly [syn: terrify, terrorise]

I agree with neither of these as appropriate tactics.

Having said this, it is then up to people to argue as to whether
specific actions constitute "terrorism." We may have differences of
opinion. Using explosives on labs definitely qualifies, as it raises
questions in the minds of owners and workers whether or not they could
be targeted during working hours. OTOH, mechanical destruction of
cages or abusive equipment does not, since the act and the result pose
no threat to the physical well-being of any worker.

I am not saying it isn't a crime - but it isn't terrorism.

Bruce Jensen


Just what constitutes "abuse equipment"?

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Just what constitutes "abuse equipment"?

Well, there are lots of examples - pictures too - but short of setting
all of those forth in URLs which are easily obtainable with a
websearch, I will say that some of the most egregious are those for
deposting bleach and other strong chemicals into the eyes of
constrained small animals - while they are conscious - likewise
mechanisms for forcing same chemicals into their stomachs until they
burn from the inside out; and various torture-like devices for use on
monkeys to hold them in various extremely uncomfortable positions while
they can be stabbed, vivisected and electrocuted - all while alive and
conscious.

The list goes on, and these things can be found in every animal
industry.

Bruce Jensen

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Real men and wimmins eat meat.
cuhulin

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peta = Queers.
cuhulin