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IBOC, place to complain
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IBOC, place to complain
Pete KE9OA wrote:
Ann Gallagher Charles Miller These are two people in the FCC that you can contact about the interference that IBOC transmissions are causing. Will it do any good to complain? Who know? I took the gamble, and I also e-mailed the local radio stations about this issue. Pete Are those two people open to hearing about BPL interference to international shortwave broadcasting? |
BPL and power-line noise (was IBOC, place to complain)
HFguy wrote: Are those two people open to hearing about BPL interference to international shortwave broadcasting? Most interference to international shortwave broadcasting is reportable and, in theory, enforceable. Broadband Over Power Line, both access and in-premise BPL, can and does cause interference to HF and low-VHF reception. There are several types of BPL, and each has its own unique characteristics, but all types of BPL have some characteristics that help identify it. o The most important factor to diagnosing BPL is to determine that it is in operation in your area. The FCC mandates that the BPL industry maintain a database of BPL locations and contact information. See http://www.bpldatabase.org. Don't do too many searches, though, as each search after your first slows the site way down. If you have any complaints about the BPL database, contact the FCC about them. ARRL also maintains a BPL database page at http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html. It contains information from a much broader range of sources, and has much added value such as hyperlinks to interference reports, etc. Contact for any comments or questions about the ARRL's BPL pages. o BPL occupies a significant swath of spectrum. If you were hearing a narrowband noise, perhaps across 30 kHz of a SW band, or noise spaced every 30 kHz across a wide range, this is not BPL. It fully fills any spectrum it occupies. o BPL can consist of close-spaced, usually digitally modulated carriers, typically every 1.1 kHz, or it can sound like broadband noise. If noise you hear has a strong 120-Hz component to it, it is still related to power lines or electrical devices, but it is not BPL. o In its use of spectrum, the onset of BPL vs spectrum is rather abrupt. For example, you could be tuning up the bands, and at 4 MHz, the band is clear, but by 4.1 MHz, the noise has increased dramatically, and stays that way over a few MHz (typically), then disappears in the same way farther up the band. It's not uncommon for BPL to occupy several blocks of spectrum over tens of MHz. If your location and noise match the above, you will probably also see BPL equipment on your power lines. Look for new boxes and new BPL couplers on the lines near your house. The ex2.html site listed above has links to pictures in a number of the entries, as does the ARRL BPL resource page at http://www.arrl.org/bpl. If you do have BPL intereference, most of the procedures outlined in http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/complaints.html also apply to filing complaints about the reception of international shortwave broadcast. Unfortunately, although administrations are required to write regulations to protect the reception of broadcasts from other countries, the reception of shortwave broadcasts within the US probably doesn't enjoy such protection. Most SWLs probably listen to more than just the US religious stations, so if you do have SW interference, focus your complaint toward the international stations. The US stations could be interested in receiving your reports, though, as they may at some point want to speak out about international concerns about BPL. Your ability to listen to Amateur Radio stations should also be protected, as is the reception of WWV, etc. Unfortunately, you probably cannot claim harmful interference to the reception of utility stations that are not intended for reception by the general public. Your initial complaint about BPL should be sent to the operator of the BPL system. In many cases, you won't know whether this is your electric company, or a separate ISP, so the most certain way is to start with your electric company. Send informational cc's to the FCC addressess listed in the complaints.html URL. In all cases of interference, it is generally important to identify it correctly. Although power-line noise can also cause interference, and it, too, should be reported to your electic utility company and FCC, it should not be confused with BPL. Every little burst of noise that may occur for a few seconds, or every single computer "birdie" is not necessarily harmful interference as defined by the rules, but "legal limit" broadband signals will be S9 or greater across tens of MHz, typically over a large geographical area. Although ARRL's cooperative program with the FCC is specifically focused on Amateur Radio, the information on ARRL's web page about power-line interference may also help the SWL better understand power-line noise and know how to proceed with complaints. Those complaints should be directed to the FCC Call Center in Gettysburg, PA. See http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/rfi-elec.html. Interference from other devices can also affect radiocommunications. ARRL's general RFI pages at http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/rfigen.html points to a wide range of free information about interference. Inquiries about interference involving Amateur Radio can be directed to . BPL-related questions can be sent to me at . Ed Hare, ARRL Laboratory Manager Tel: 860-594-0318 |
IBOC, place to complain
Pete KE9OA wrote:
Ann Gallagher Charles Miller These are two people in the FCC that you can contact about the interference that IBOC transmissions are causing. Will it do any good to complain? Who know? I took the gamble, and I also e-mailed the local radio stations about this issue. IMHO IBOC was not a technical decision. The Commission's technical staff answers to the Commissioners, none of whom have a technical background. I think the technical staff has been *ordered* to implement IBOC on both AM and FM stations, and is doing the best they can to comprimise between the technical consequences of doing this, and the employment consequences of not doing it. In the LPFM proceeding they saw exactly what happens when the technical truth gets in the way of the will of lobbyists. I don't think any complaint against IBOC will be listened to unless it's accompanied by large campaign contributions. The chances of KE9OA outbidding WOR are pretty much zero. That said, I think IBOC is going to fail of its own volition. On AM, it'll never sell to the vast majority of stations unless it can be left on all night. But if it *is* left on all night, the massive interference will kill the AM service altogether. On FM, I think it'll simply never sell. IBOC-FM will fade away, as the digital transmitters suffer inevitable breakdowns & budget-conscious managers decide not to spend money repairing transmitters nobody is listening to. On the receiver end, set prices will have to pretty much equal those of existing analog sets if they're to compete with satellite. They have a VERY long way to go to reach that point! -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com Ham stuff for sale: http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm |
IBOC, place to complain
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:55:12 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote: Pete KE9OA wrote: Ann Gallagher Charles Miller These are two people in the FCC that you can contact about the interference that IBOC transmissions are causing. Will it do any good to complain? Who know? I took the gamble, and I also e-mailed the local radio stations about this issue. IMHO IBOC was not a technical decision. The Commission's technical staff answers to the Commissioners, none of whom have a technical background. I think the technical staff has been *ordered* to implement IBOC on both AM and FM stations, and is doing the best they can to comprimise between the technical consequences of doing this, and the employment consequences of not doing it. In the LPFM proceeding they saw exactly what happens when the technical truth gets in the way of the will of lobbyists. I don't think any complaint against IBOC will be listened to unless it's accompanied by large campaign contributions. The chances of KE9OA outbidding WOR are pretty much zero. That said, I think IBOC is going to fail of its own volition. On AM, it'll never sell to the vast majority of stations unless it can be left on all night. But if it *is* left on all night, the massive interference will kill the AM service altogether. On FM, I think it'll simply never sell. IBOC-FM will fade away, as the digital transmitters suffer inevitable breakdowns & budget-conscious managers decide not to spend money repairing transmitters nobody is listening to. On the receiver end, set prices will have to pretty much equal those of existing analog sets if they're to compete with satellite. They have a VERY long way to go to reach that point! Modern transmitters do not ''break down''. They occasionally will lose an active device, easily remedied by card swapping and FedEx to the manufacturer. |
IBOC, place to complain
I dont know jack about "modern transmitters",,,,, but anything and
everything "modern" is subject to BREAK DOWN BIG TIME AT ANY TIME! Case in Point,the bush REICHSTAG of September Eleventh,Our Lord Year of Two Thousand and One.That's what I am Saying. cuhulin |
IBOC, place to complain
I Do Believe that U.S.fed govt (U.S.Ministry Of Propaganda,HITLER!!!
they do study fascist,communist,nazi dictatorial thingys,y'all know!) does NOT like us listening to News via Shortwave Radio around the World.As I speak right now,we are seeing steps toward that. cuhulin |
IBOC, place to complain
David wrote:
Modern transmitters do not ''break down''. They occasionally will lose an active device, easily remedied by card swapping and FedEx to the manufacturer. For which the engineer who does the card swapping will charge. As will the manufacturer & FedEx, at least after the transmitter is out of warranty. A whole lot cheaper than it was in the days where a breakdown meant a few hours with a soldering iron or a few thousand in tubes, but it's still money. Money that won't get spent if no revenue is lost by not spending it. -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com Ham stuff for sale: http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm |
IBOC, place to complain
On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 17:29:56 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote: David wrote: Modern transmitters do not ''break down''. They occasionally will lose an active device, easily remedied by card swapping and FedEx to the manufacturer. For which the engineer who does the card swapping will charge. As will the manufacturer & FedEx, at least after the transmitter is out of warranty. A whole lot cheaper than it was in the days where a breakdown meant a few hours with a soldering iron or a few thousand in tubes, but it's still money. Money that won't get spent if no revenue is lost by not spending it. If tubes and a full-time tech were more cost effective they'd still be around. |
IBOC, place to complain
I agree on the point of myself having any appreciable effect. I did receive
an e-mail response from Mr. Miller of the FCC this morning. He wants me to send him some spectrographs of the stations in question. I am going to see if I can take one of the 8560 spectrum analyzers home for a day or two. This way, I can use the marker function and show the delta between the carrier and the adjacent channel sideband power. The VSA would be even better, because it could measure ACCP (adjacent channel coupled power). I did get a response from one of the managers from WTMJ 620 this afternoon. Nothing from WBBM yet, but I won't hold my breath on this one. I do believe that if many people expressed their concern there would be a very small chance that it would have some effect. Unfortunately, money makes the world go around and if the radio stations think IBOC can increase their revenue they will go for it. I don't think it will succeed.................at least I hope not. Pete "Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message ... Pete KE9OA wrote: Ann Gallagher Charles Miller These are two people in the FCC that you can contact about the interference that IBOC transmissions are causing. Will it do any good to complain? Who know? I took the gamble, and I also e-mailed the local radio stations about this issue. IMHO IBOC was not a technical decision. The Commission's technical staff answers to the Commissioners, none of whom have a technical background. I think the technical staff has been *ordered* to implement IBOC on both AM and FM stations, and is doing the best they can to comprimise between the technical consequences of doing this, and the employment consequences of not doing it. In the LPFM proceeding they saw exactly what happens when the technical truth gets in the way of the will of lobbyists. I don't think any complaint against IBOC will be listened to unless it's accompanied by large campaign contributions. The chances of KE9OA outbidding WOR are pretty much zero. That said, I think IBOC is going to fail of its own volition. On AM, it'll never sell to the vast majority of stations unless it can be left on all night. But if it *is* left on all night, the massive interference will kill the AM service altogether. On FM, I think it'll simply never sell. IBOC-FM will fade away, as the digital transmitters suffer inevitable breakdowns & budget-conscious managers decide not to spend money repairing transmitters nobody is listening to. On the receiver end, set prices will have to pretty much equal those of existing analog sets if they're to compete with satellite. They have a VERY long way to go to reach that point! -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com Ham stuff for sale: http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm |
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