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DeWayne February 9th 06 02:13 AM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
I live in a townhouse. My best antenna is my rain gutter. I was not familiar
with the H-800 until the recent thread. My location is somewhat noisy. Is it
reasonable to assume that I would be able to find a fairly quiet location
inside my home for the H-800 since it is so compact and could easily be
moved around my home to find a possible quiet location? I would like to try
one on my Icom R75 but the antenna is not cheap. I don't think dealers
normally accept returns on antennas.



[email protected] February 9th 06 04:19 AM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
There are quite a few DIY projects on building active whips. They are
quite simple, though some people freak out when it comes to inductors.

Even more compact than an amplified whip would be something like the
Quantom ferrite loops. They are not as quite as a large aperture
antenna like the wellbrook, but they are quite good for something you
can put on a desktop.

http://www.dxtools.com/
http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/dow...mz2006W-15.pdf
http://www.palomar-engineers.com/Loo...p_antenna.html

The only one I've seen used first hand is the Quantum. The null is
decent.


DeWayne wrote:
I live in a townhouse. My best antenna is my rain gutter. I was not familiar
with the H-800 until the recent thread. My location is somewhat noisy. Is it
reasonable to assume that I would be able to find a fairly quiet location
inside my home for the H-800 since it is so compact and could easily be
moved around my home to find a possible quiet location? I would like to try
one on my Icom R75 but the antenna is not cheap. I don't think dealers
normally accept returns on antennas.



Mark S. Holden February 9th 06 05:51 AM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
DeWayne wrote:
I live in a townhouse. My best antenna is my rain gutter. I was not familiar
with the H-800 until the recent thread. My location is somewhat noisy. Is it
reasonable to assume that I would be able to find a fairly quiet location
inside my home for the H-800 since it is so compact and could easily be
moved around my home to find a possible quiet location? I would like to try
one on my Icom R75 but the antenna is not cheap. I don't think dealers
normally accept returns on antennas.



The advantages of an H800 over a garden variety active whip seem to be a
cleaner amplifier and extra dynamic range. But it'll still do a
beautiful job of picking up a nearby lamp dimmer.

I think you could predict if it'll work for you with any active whip you
might have or care to cobble together with $5 of parts from Radio Shaft.
A portable mw radio tuned to a dead spot on the dial might also let
you sniff for a quiet zone.

If you do get an H800, spring for the extra $20 for bnc connectors on
the antenna end so you can replace the coax when it dies.

Someone else suggested the Quantum loop. I use one at my office with an
HRB HW1390A receiver for MW reception. (it's a challenging location) I
don't think the Quantum is rated for much beyond 2mhz. But if you want
MW, the Quantum is a good choice.





[email protected] February 9th 06 12:57 PM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
Welcome back RHF!


Dale Parfitt February 9th 06 03:53 PM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
I think the idea is that, if you disguise the H-800 as part of a
satellite antenna, no one from your Homeowner's Association will hassle
you over it.

Steve

Got it- thanks,

Dale W4OP



[email protected] February 9th 06 04:39 PM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
First time I have ever heard of that one before,about using a satellite
dish antenna with a radio antenna.(you sure it won't pick up tv or ET?)
The idea is unique and ufonious though.
cuhulin


Mark S. Holden February 9th 06 05:00 PM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
wrote:
I think the idea is that, if you disguise the H-800 as part of a
satellite antenna, no one from your Homeowner's Association will hassle
you over it.

Steve

Homeowners associations apparently can't do anything about "TV antennas".

I like RHFs' idea, but think you could probably just put an H800 on a
mast and claim it's for local reception.


[email protected] February 9th 06 05:16 PM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
Or, for that matter, it might just be so inconspicuous that no one
notices/complains, even if it is clear that it's not TV-related. Clamp
it onto a ventilation pipe on the roof and I'll bet no one would ever
even notice. A chimney might also work. Maybe even a near by tree. The
H-800 can also be oriented horizontally, which opens up some additional
possibilities.


[email protected] February 9th 06 09:40 PM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
It is reallyhard to get high bandwidth with ferrite based loops. But
they are compact.

The Wellbrook gets you wide bandwidth, but you really need at least a
meter in diameter for the wellbrook to shine.

Mark S. Holden wrote:
DeWayne wrote:
I live in a townhouse. My best antenna is my rain gutter. I was not familiar
with the H-800 until the recent thread. My location is somewhat noisy. Is it
reasonable to assume that I would be able to find a fairly quiet location
inside my home for the H-800 since it is so compact and could easily be
moved around my home to find a possible quiet location? I would like to try
one on my Icom R75 but the antenna is not cheap. I don't think dealers
normally accept returns on antennas.



The advantages of an H800 over a garden variety active whip seem to be a
cleaner amplifier and extra dynamic range. But it'll still do a
beautiful job of picking up a nearby lamp dimmer.

I think you could predict if it'll work for you with any active whip you
might have or care to cobble together with $5 of parts from Radio Shaft.
A portable mw radio tuned to a dead spot on the dial might also let
you sniff for a quiet zone.

If you do get an H800, spring for the extra $20 for bnc connectors on
the antenna end so you can replace the coax when it dies.

Someone else suggested the Quantum loop. I use one at my office with an
HRB HW1390A receiver for MW reception. (it's a challenging location) I
don't think the Quantum is rated for much beyond 2mhz. But if you want
MW, the Quantum is a good choice.



HFguy February 9th 06 11:16 PM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
DeWayne wrote:
I live in a townhouse. My best antenna is my rain gutter. I was not familiar
with the H-800 until the recent thread. My location is somewhat noisy. Is it
reasonable to assume that I would be able to find a fairly quiet location
inside my home for the H-800 since it is so compact and could easily be
moved around my home to find a possible quiet location? I would like to try
one on my Icom R75 but the antenna is not cheap. I don't think dealers
normally accept returns on antennas.


I don't think you would have a problem returning a whip antenna to
'Grove', provided all the packaging and literature are included. They
have a good return policy.

[email protected] February 10th 06 03:24 AM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
I recall someone posted a rather long technical explanation that there
is more noise that is vertically polarized than horizontally polarized.
That is, noise will propagate better vertically polarized, which is why
the whip is a bad idea. It may not be just an issue of finding a quiet
spot, but the basic design might be flawed.


HFguy wrote:
DeWayne wrote:
I live in a townhouse. My best antenna is my rain gutter. I was not familiar
with the H-800 until the recent thread. My location is somewhat noisy. Is it
reasonable to assume that I would be able to find a fairly quiet location
inside my home for the H-800 since it is so compact and could easily be
moved around my home to find a possible quiet location? I would like to try
one on my Icom R75 but the antenna is not cheap. I don't think dealers
normally accept returns on antennas.


I don't think you would have a problem returning a whip antenna to
'Grove', provided all the packaging and literature are included. They
have a good return policy.



RHF February 10th 06 09:21 AM

LF Engineering H-800 Antenna - Again
 
Dale [W4OP] - CC&Rs :o) ~ RHF

What Are CC&Rs?
The Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions (CC&Rs)
Are the Governing Documents that Dictate how the
Home Owners Association operates and what Rules
the Owners -- and their Tenants and Guests -- must obey.
http://www.realtor.com/BASICS/condos...sp?poe=realtor

One of the few Legally recognized OutSide Antenna
CC&R 'get arounds' (Loop Holes) are the small Dish
Antennas used with Direct Distribution Satellite TV
(DDS-TV) Broadcasting.

NOTE - Some HOAs try to say that the development or
building is wired for Cable and therefore the OutSide
Dish Antenna is Not Allowed [.] - - - Oops then came
DDS-TV of Foreign Cultural and Language Programs
from Mexico, India, China, etc and the Ethnic (Racial)
Discrimination Lawyers opened up the World to DDS-TV
with a high percentage of Condo Balconies having a
small Satellite Dish or two :o)

Using the Dish with a small Active Antenna is just a way
of getting around the CC&Rs and provides a fairly secure
mounting structure for the Active Antenna.
http://www.prosatellitesupply.com/im...-Inch_Dish.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://www.powersecurityinstallation...llite_dish.jpg

http://www.tomsnetworking.com/networ...s/img_2024.jpg
http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.cat...s/11862456.jpg

http://www.skycasters.com/satellite-...llite-dish.jpg

http://danny.oz.au/travel/mongolia/p...llite-dish.jpg
http://www.kalyx.com/store/images/TERTRKS26.jpg

Hey Why Not . . .
Try a Dish for your next Ballon Antenna Project :o)
http://www.advertisingballoons.com/i...tvwithlogo.jpg
- - - The Antenna at the End of your Antenna Wire :o)

After a Long Night of DXing some Condo Dwellers
http://www.sorabji.net/2000/november/28.jpg
are know to see Pink Dishes in the Morning :o)

i know another crazy idea - cause iane ~ RHF


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