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David Eduardo February 16th 06 04:14 AM

Brazil-4915
 

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?


Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award you
a
license to criticize anyone.


No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.



David Eduardo February 16th 06 04:15 AM

Brazil-4915
 

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
This is a typical Hispanic street machismo circle argument.
Common sense is abandoned for circle logic.


Common sense dictates that identifying a radio station as "radio station" is
not an ID at all.



David Eduardo February 16th 06 04:16 AM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

You just keep working on your story.


I don't need to. You need to work on how you identify radio stations, 'tard
boy.



David Eduardo February 16th 06 04:17 AM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:08:49 -0500, dxAce

I was an ''intern'' at a 5 KW daytimer in 1963. I remember pulling
wire copy for the JFK assasination. I used to go to Mexico with my
dad because you could bring in a gallon of booze duty free for each US
citizen in the car.


I was back in the US briefly when that happened, at a FM in Cleveland.


But wait, weren't you in Mexico?


When I returned from Mexico, before going to Ecuador, I worked at WCUY for a
few months. the problem was that Ecuador was having a revolution at the
time...



dxAce February 16th 06 12:31 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?


Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award you
a
license to criticize anyone.


No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.


But I didn't identify the radio station, 'tard boy, please try to pay attention.

"I suspect that the other weaker Brazilian is Radio Difusora."

Now, get back to working on your story.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 12:35 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:08:49 -0500, dxAce

I was an ''intern'' at a 5 KW daytimer in 1963. I remember pulling
wire copy for the JFK assasination. I used to go to Mexico with my
dad because you could bring in a gallon of booze duty free for each US
citizen in the car.

I was back in the US briefly when that happened, at a FM in Cleveland.


But wait, weren't you in Mexico?


When I returned from Mexico, before going to Ecuador, I worked at WCUY for a
few months. the problem was that Ecuador was having a revolution at the
time...


Keep working on your story, boy.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 12:43 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Frackelton wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?


Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award you
a
license to criticize anyone.


No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.


I object to someone who pathologically lies their ass off!

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



an old friend February 16th 06 12:49 PM

Brazil-4915
 

dxAce wrote:
David Frackelton wrote:


I object to someone who pathologically lies their ass off!


then you better go take your meds since you object to yourself

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 01:16 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
This is a typical Hispanic street machismo circle argument.
Common sense is abandoned for circle logic.


Common sense dictates that identifying a radio station as "radio station" is
not an ID at all.


Damn, you've got your panties in a knot, boy.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 01:20 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Frackelton wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

You just keep working on your story.


I don't need to.


Yes, you do, stem.

You need to work on how you identify radio stations, 'tard
boy.


LMFAO at the fake Hispanic, yet again.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Carter, K8VT February 16th 06 01:41 PM

Brazil-4915
 
David Eduardo wrote [referring to the self appointed "ace"]:

You could use some lessons, as you royally screwed up here.


....and this is a big surprise????

You, a supposed DXer, do not even know the naming conventions of
radio stations in one of the more common SW languages.




Carter, K8VT February 16th 06 01:41 PM

Brazil-4915
 
David Eduardo wrote:


You are so quick to say something nasty about others, but when you
make an absolutely stupid error yourself, you accuse others of being
wrong.



Well, no surprise here...this has been his standard modus operandi for
years.

David February 16th 06 01:42 PM

Brazil-4915
 
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:20:24 -0500, dxAce "
wrote:



David Frackelton wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

You just keep working on your story.


I don't need to.


Yes, you do, stem.

You need to work on how you identify radio stations, 'tard
boy.


LMFAO at the fake Hispanic, yet again.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


''Fake''? This is the internets, Sparky. It's all fake.


Carter, K8VT February 16th 06 01:44 PM

Brazil-4915
 
David Eduardo wrote:


Hispanic is a culture. I grew up in Latin America, not the US, and am
culturally Hispanic. Sorry if that inconveniences you.


Nah, just typical of him. He seems to hate a lot of other countries and
cultures. Rather ironic that his hobby is listening to other countries,
don't you think?


Carter, K8VT February 16th 06 01:48 PM

Brazil-4915
 
David Eduardo wrote [referring to the self appointed "ace"]:

Obviously, you do not read very well.


As I have pointed out several times in the past, he seems to have that
pesky reading comprehension problem.



dxAce February 16th 06 01:49 PM

Brazil-4915
 


"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

Hispanic is a culture. I grew up in Latin America, not the US, and am
culturally Hispanic. Sorry if that inconveniences you.


Nah, just typical of him. He seems to hate a lot of other countries and
cultures.


Really?

Rather ironic that his hobby is listening to other countries,
don't you think?


Damn, you woke up dumb again, boy.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 04:08 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Frackelton wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Instead, I wind up with a fake Hispanic who's trying to give me language
lessons,


You could use some lessons, as you royally screwed up here. You, a supposed
DXer...


A 'supposed DXer', 'tard boy?

LMFAO at the totally clueless charlatan, yet again.

dxAce
Michigan
USA





David Eduardo February 16th 06 05:21 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?


Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem
Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award
you
a
license to criticize anyone.


No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station
when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.


But I didn't identify the radio station, 'tard boy, please try to pay
attention.

"I suspect that the other weaker Brazilian is Radio Difusora."


"I suspect that the other weaker Brazilian is radio station."

That still, no matter how you spin it, is devoid of any sense.



dxAce February 16th 06 05:23 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?

Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem
Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award
you
a
license to criticize anyone.

No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station
when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.


But I didn't identify the radio station, 'tard boy, please try to pay
attention.

"I suspect that the other weaker Brazilian is Radio Difusora."


"I suspect that the other weaker Brazilian is radio station."

That still, no matter how you spin it, is devoid of any sense.


Run along,'tard boy!

LMFAO at the clueless poseur, yet again.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



David Eduardo February 16th 06 05:24 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:08:49 -0500, dxAce

I was an ''intern'' at a 5 KW daytimer in 1963. I remember pulling
wire copy for the JFK assasination. I used to go to Mexico with my
dad because you could bring in a gallon of booze duty free for each
US
citizen in the car.

I was back in the US briefly when that happened, at a FM in Cleveland.

But wait, weren't you in Mexico?


When I returned from Mexico, before going to Ecuador, I worked at WCUY
for a
few months. the problem was that Ecuador was having a revolution at the
time...


Keep working on your story, boy.


My online bio is focused on selling services to radio stations. Despite
having had a paper published about the Third Mayan Civilization, I do not
include that in the résumé. I do not include the fact I had a printing
business at age 9, or my subsequent endeavors outside broadcasting, any more
than a Mercedes Benz sales brochure has pictures of the Rhine.



dxAce February 16th 06 05:26 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?

Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem
Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award
you
a
license to criticize anyone.

No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station
when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.


But I didn't identify the radio station, 'tard boy, please try to pay
attention.

"I suspect that the other weaker Brazilian is Radio Difusora."


"I suspect that the other weaker Brazilian is radio station."

That still, no matter how you spin it, is devoid of any sense.


Then my statement resembles you, dumbass!

LMFAO at the fake Hispanic stem.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



David Eduardo February 16th 06 05:27 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?


Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem
Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award
you
a
license to criticize anyone.


No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station
when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.


I object to someone who pathologically lies their ass off!


This board is about DX. You committed a major error in identifying a
station, and you are all the more a target for criticism when you employ the
grandiose and egotistical handle of "DXace."

If you can not figure out that I started working in radio when I was a
pre-teen, don't blame me for your math misinterpretations. And this is about
your attempts to spin "radio station" into an ID for a specific radio
station.



dxAce February 16th 06 05:28 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:08:49 -0500, dxAce

I was an ''intern'' at a 5 KW daytimer in 1963. I remember pulling
wire copy for the JFK assasination. I used to go to Mexico with my
dad because you could bring in a gallon of booze duty free for each
US
citizen in the car.

I was back in the US briefly when that happened, at a FM in Cleveland.

But wait, weren't you in Mexico?

When I returned from Mexico, before going to Ecuador, I worked at WCUY
for a
few months. the problem was that Ecuador was having a revolution at the
time...


Keep working on your story, boy.


My online bio is focused on selling services to radio stations. Despite
having had a paper published about the Third Mayan Civilization, I do not
include that in the résumé. I do not include the fact I had a printing
business at age 9, or my subsequent endeavors outside broadcasting, any more
than a Mercedes Benz sales brochure has pictures of the Rhine.


Keep working on your story, boy.

Still LMFAO at the totally clueless stem known as David Frackelton Gleason.

What a hoot!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 05:31 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
What are YOU a polyglot?

Yes.

A Ph.D. in Linguistics? Do you understand
mainland Chinese radio station ID's?
Are you an Ace of all languages? What's your freakin' problem
Calipornia
dude? Just because you know a single word in Portuguese doesn't award
you
a
license to criticize anyone.

No, I object to someone who thinks they have identified a radio station
when
they have not who is also, generally, abusive to a large number of the
participants of this group.


I object to someone who pathologically lies their ass off!


This board is about DX.


No ****, Sherlock!

You committed a major error in identifying a
station, and you are all the more a target for criticism when you employ the
grandiose and egotistical handle of "DXace."


Major error? LMFAO at the dip****!


If you can not figure out that I started working in radio when I was a
pre-teen, don't blame me for your math misinterpretations.


There are no misinterpretations.

And this is about
your attempts to spin "radio station" into an ID for a specific radio
station.


But I didn't ID it, stem.

Try and get a clue, Frackelton.

LMFAO at the poseur!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



David Eduardo February 16th 06 05:31 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


David Frackelton wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

You just keep working on your story.


I don't need to.


Yes, you do, stem.

You need to work on how you identify radio stations, 'tard
boy.


LMFAO at the fake Hispanic, yet again.


Someone who has lived about 47 years in Latin America or its equivalent and
only 13 in non-Hispanic US, most of which were pre-school years, is hardly
of the US or US / Anglo culture. In the US Census count of 1990 I was told
in no uncertain terms by the census taker that I was Hispanic as the
definition of that term in the US has to do with language and culture.



dxAce February 16th 06 05:32 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...
This is a typical Hispanic street machismo circle argument.
Common sense is abandoned for circle logic.

Common sense dictates that identifying a radio station as "radio station"
is
not an ID at all.


Damn, you've got your panties in a knot, boy.


Flash. I just got the catch of the year. I heard Emisora on 4920 kHz.


Flash! You're a dumbass 'tard!

LMFAO


dxAce
Michigan
USA



David Eduardo February 16th 06 05:33 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"Carter, K8VT" wrote in message
om...
David Eduardo wrote:


You are so quick to say something nasty about others, but when you
make an absolutely stupid error yourself, you accuse others of being
wrong.



Well, no surprise here...this has been his standard modus operandi for
years.


Which is why I got tired of his bashing, rudeness and incivility and called
him, albeit on a relatively trivial matter. If you pretend to be a DX Ace,
you are held to a different standard. This guy is just tiring and boring,
besides being an example of the Ugly American. I hate to think of how many
stations he has reported to that he has offended.



David Eduardo February 16th 06 05:34 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

Hispanic is a culture. I grew up in Latin America, not the US, and am
culturally Hispanic. Sorry if that inconveniences you.


Nah, just typical of him. He seems to hate a lot of other countries and
cultures.


Really?

Rather ironic that his hobby is listening to other countries,
don't you think?


Damn, you woke up dumb again, boy.


Typical. You are such a boor.



dxAce February 16th 06 05:35 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


David Frackelton wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

You just keep working on your story.


I don't need to.


Yes, you do, stem.

You need to work on how you identify radio stations, 'tard
boy.


LMFAO at the fake Hispanic, yet again.


Someone who has lived about 47 years in Latin America or its equivalent and
only 13 in non-Hispanic US, most of which were pre-school years,


Pre-school? You grew up in Cleveland, Ohio.

LMFAO at the lying 'tard!

is hardly
of the US or US / Anglo culture. In the US Census count of 1990 I was told
in no uncertain terms by the census taker that I was Hispanic as the
definition of that term in the US has to do with language and culture.


LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 05:36 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"Carter, K8VT" wrote in message
om...
David Eduardo wrote:


You are so quick to say something nasty about others, but when you
make an absolutely stupid error yourself, you accuse others of being
wrong.



Well, no surprise here...this has been his standard modus operandi for
years.


Which is why I got tired of his bashing, rudeness and incivility and called
him, albeit on a relatively trivial matter. If you pretend to be a DX Ace,
you are held to a different standard. This guy is just tiring and boring,
besides being an example of the Ugly American. I hate to think of how many
stations he has reported to that he has offended.


LMFAO at the clueless poseur!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



David Eduardo February 16th 06 05:37 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


David Frackelton wrote:


Why do you insist on calling me by my maternal rather than my paternal
surname? It shows you do not even understand how names are used.

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Instead, I wind up with a fake Hispanic who's trying to give me
language
lessons,


You could use some lessons, as you royally screwed up here. You, a
supposed
DXer...


A 'supposed DXer', 'tard boy?


A DXer in my book is more than someone who claims to have heard a bunch of
stations and countries. You have not learned anything from your experience.,
and are, in fact, the poster child for xenophobia, starting with your blind
and irrational hatred of anything Canadian.

I can go buy a scalpel, but I am still not a surgeon. You are a scourge to
the good name of DXers.



dxAce February 16th 06 05:37 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

Hispanic is a culture. I grew up in Latin America, not the US, and am
culturally Hispanic. Sorry if that inconveniences you.

Nah, just typical of him. He seems to hate a lot of other countries and
cultures.


Really?

Rather ironic that his hobby is listening to other countries,
don't you think?


Damn, you woke up dumb again, boy.


Typical. You are such a boor.


And you're a clueless little 'tard boy!

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 05:42 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"Carter, K8VT" wrote in message
om...
David Eduardo wrote:


You are so quick to say something nasty about others, but when you
make an absolutely stupid error yourself, you accuse others of being
wrong.



Well, no surprise here...this has been his standard modus operandi for
years.


Which is why I got tired of his bashing, rudeness and incivility and called
him, albeit on a relatively trivial matter. If you pretend to be a DX Ace,
you are held to a different standard. This guy is just tiring and boring,
besides being an example of the Ugly American. I hate to think of how many
stations he has reported to that he has offended.


Pick up the phone, 'tard, and call 911... ask for The Logging Police!

LMFAO at the dumbass who obviously has his panties in a knot.

Boggling!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 05:44 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


David Frackelton wrote:


Why do you insist on calling me by my maternal rather than my paternal
surname? It shows you do not even understand how names are used.

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Instead, I wind up with a fake Hispanic who's trying to give me
language
lessons,

You could use some lessons, as you royally screwed up here. You, a
supposed
DXer...


A 'supposed DXer', 'tard boy?


A DXer in my book is more than someone who claims to have heard a bunch of
stations and countries. You have not learned anything from your experience.,
and are, in fact, the poster child for xenophobia, starting with your blind
and irrational hatred of anything Canadian.

I can go buy a scalpel, but I am still not a surgeon. You are a scourge to
the good name of DXers.


Like you'd know, 'tard boy!

Better call 911, they can bring out the Jaws of Life and maybe get your panties
out of the knots they must be in.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 05:52 PM

Brazil-4915
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


David Frackelton wrote:


Why do you insist on calling me by my maternal rather than my paternal
surname? It shows you do not even understand how names are used.

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

Instead, I wind up with a fake Hispanic who's trying to give me
language
lessons,

You could use some lessons, as you royally screwed up here. You, a
supposed
DXer...


A 'supposed DXer', 'tard boy?


A DXer in my book is more than someone who claims to have heard a bunch of
stations and countries. You have not learned anything from your experience.,
and are, in fact, the poster child for xenophobia, starting with your blind
and irrational hatred of anything Canadian.


Well, in my defense, I did learn that you're a 'tard boy.

LMFAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce February 16th 06 09:47 PM

Brazil-4915
 


"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Boggling!


Dear Sir,

We are in receipt of your "boggling" complaint above.

Our records indicate that the brain you possess is our "Village Idiot"
model. Unfortunately, as our most inexpensive item, this model has
always exhibited a great proclivity for severe boggling. Also, you may
notice a moderate to severe problem with reading comprehension.

We suggest that, to alleviate these problems in the future, you may wish
to invest in one of our more advanced units.

Sincerely,

U.R. A'tard
Manager, Customer Service
A.B. Normal Brain Company


Pretty funny, 'tard boy!

Keep trying.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



David Eduardo February 16th 06 09:48 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

And this is about
your attempts to spin "radio station" into an ID for a specific radio
station.


But I didn't ID it, stem.


Yes, you did. You stated that the "other" station was "radio difusora."
Radio Difusora means, "radio station" and is not an ID of a station.



David Eduardo February 16th 06 09:50 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...

Someone who has lived about 47 years in Latin America or its equivalent
and
only 13 in non-Hispanic US, most of which were pre-school years,


Pre-school? You grew up in Cleveland, Ohio.


I left when I was 13, and only made occasional visits to it after that time.
In other words, I grew up outside the US.



David Eduardo February 16th 06 09:52 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"junius" wrote in message
ups.com...
For the love of God, let's let this thread die... We have a multitude
of other pressing shortwave topics at hand to discuss in this group.
Recent sizzling-hot rec.radio.shortwave topics:

* VP's hunting accident
* WMD

Less hot, although always present:

* The Chinese Communist Party


In other words, only about 10% of the topics here have anything to do with
SW.

About 20% consist of DXass calling people tards.




David Eduardo February 16th 06 09:53 PM

Brazil-4915
 

"dxAce" " wrote in message
...


dxAce wrote:

junius wrote:

For the love of God, let's let this thread die...


I certainly was willing to let it die (It was merely a logging report),
but no,
our favourite flaming 'tard boy David Eduardo (the one who refuses to
admit that
he indeed grew up in Cleveland, Ohio) decided he had some obscure point
to make,
so on it went!

Fun!


In retrospect I'm surprised he didn't try and bust me for the spelling of
the
country name as well.

Brazil rather than Brasil.


But Brazil is the correct English spelling. You are obfuscating again.




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