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Old March 3rd 06, 02:00 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

dxAce wrote:

"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

There is an interesting IBOC article in today's (2 Feb) Wall
Street Journal, Page B1, Column 5...

There's nothing 'interesting' about IBOC at all.

IBOC, like DRM = QRM


D Peter Maus wrote:

You're not the only one taking that position. There is growing
distaste for IBOC among listeners who find the AM system
objectionable precisely for it's noise.


and

This is nothing new, of course. What is, is that listeners are
starting to speak out about it.


Well, had anyone bothered to actually read the WSJ article I referenced,
they would have discovered that "listener distaste", listeners "speaking
out" and a discussion of "objectionable noise" were the main points of
the article.

However, in true "ace-wipe" fashion, he yet again fell into the trap
that Mr.Jensen pointed out just today:

bpnjensen wrote: [addressing the self-appointed "ace"]

You might want to read it before pronouncing the messenger
incompetent.


Heckuva job, Stevie...same trap, twice in one day


And just to get you up to speed, it's 3 March today.

LMFAO

dxAce
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Old March 3rd 06, 02:15 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

Kristoff Bonne wrote:
Gegroet,

Carter, K8VT wrote:
There is an interesting IBOC article in today's (2 Feb) Wall Street
Journal, Page B1, Column 5...



I guess you mean this article?
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...438087021.html



Cheerio! Kr. Bonne.


Yes, that's the article (and sorry for my date typo). I just read the
actual paper so I didn't know this particular article was available as
an electronic version.


Had you REALLY been paying attention you'd have known that Gary, K4GPB had
brought that article to our attention right here, yesterday morning.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


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Old March 3rd 06, 08:02 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
om...


Actually, WIND had HD on when Salem traded it to Univsion Radio, and took

it
off after the sale. Univision was very happy with the HD system.



How does the IBOC power allocation work? Does the analog channel retain
it's original power with the IBOC channels added on or is the station's
total power output (analog + IBOC) held to the originally licensed limit?

Frank Dresser


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"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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Actually, WIND had HD on when Salem traded it to Univsion Radio, and took

it
off after the sale. Univision was very happy with the HD system.



How does the IBOC power allocation work? Does the analog channel retain
it's original power with the IBOC channels added on or is the station's
total power output (analog + IBOC) held to the originally licensed limit?


It is a separate digital signal riding along on the analog signal. Separate
power.


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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.

Frank Dresser wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message
om...


Actually, WIND had HD on when Salem traded it to Univsion Radio, and took

it
off after the sale. Univision was very happy with the HD system.



How does the IBOC power allocation work? Does the analog channel retain
it's original power with the IBOC channels added on or is the station's
total power output (analog + IBOC) held to the originally licensed limit?

Frank Dresser




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Old March 4th 06, 10:06 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.


And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.


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Old March 5th 06, 12:51 AM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
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You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.


And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.


Overly harsh assessment. I listen to stations out of the area for
content. Other people also fall into this group. Some advertising is
regional and national not just local so distant advertising does work.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California
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Old March 5th 06, 04:01 AM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 23:51:26 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.


And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.


Overly harsh assessment. I listen to stations out of the area for
content. Other people also fall into this group. Some advertising is
regional and national not just local so distant advertising does work.

Indeed. The only local I have is 1220, KHTS.

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Old March 5th 06, 04:44 AM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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It is a separate digital signal riding along on the analog signal.

Separate
power.



"seperate power" might imply a radio station would have to seperate a
portion of power from the analog channel for the IBOC channels. So, a 50 kW
station would have to seperate, say, 20 kW for the digital channels and
leave 30 kW for the center analog channels. Is that how it works, or would
the analog channel retain it's original power with the digital channels
getting additional power?

Frank Dresser


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Old March 5th 06, 05:06 AM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
You realize if they ever turn on HD at night, DXing will be history.


And the couple of hundred AM DXers left, most of whom are anti-radio and
luddites, will just be SOL.



I'm not aware of any anti-radio luddites, but if I ever meet one, I'll be
sure to remind him to get rid of both his radios and his internet
connection.

However, to an Alex Jones SWL-type distrustful paranoid, Ibiquity's IBOC
looks hidden adgenda-ish. It's not about "CD quality sound" it's about
multicasting.

So, if I've got it wrong, please tell me. Is it impossible for the IBOC-AM
scheme to be used for multicasting?

Frank Dresser


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