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Jim Hackett March 31st 06 12:29 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...



dxAce March 31st 06 12:34 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 


Jim Hackett wrote:

Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...


As most folks know PWBR is usually only fairly accurate for the bXX broadcasting
season. Anything other than that is merely an educated guess on their part.

We are now in the a06 season.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Sanjaya March 31st 06 12:47 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 

"Jim Hackett" wrote in message
. com...
Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...



I don't buy it anymore. I find more accurate information with the databases available online.
http://www.primetimeshortwave.com
http://www.eibi.vu
http://www.ilgradio.com/ilgradio.htm



Greg March 31st 06 01:44 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
In article ,
"Jim Hackett" wrote:

Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...


I buy it for nostalgia, and for the cool cover illustrations.

Greg

rkhalona March 31st 06 01:50 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 

Greg wrote:

I buy it for nostalgia, and for the cool cover illustrations.


and the equipment reviews and the ads..., but never for the schedules!
:-)

RK


Jim Hackett March 31st 06 01:50 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
It's probably the best publication around if you're into Eton
advertisements!



"Greg" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Jim Hackett" wrote:

Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...


I buy it for nostalgia, and for the cool cover illustrations.

Greg




Invader3K March 31st 06 02:54 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
That's true. I think Eton must keep them in business.

I enjoy the book, and have bought it for the three past years. I
personally think they should condense the book a bit, lower the price
to about fifteen bucks US, and release two a year. One for "winter",
one for "summer." That way they could update things every six months.
It would definitely help the schedules sections. They could split up
the reviews...maybe the winter issue could handle tabletop receivers
and antennas, and the summer one could focus on portables, or
something. I mean, let's face it, there aren't that many new receivers
that come out every year anyway. Also, rather than just one feature
story per year (which is usually excellently written), they could
possibly do two.

As far as more accurate sources, primetimeshortwave.com is great, I
just wish it was a little more interactive in letting you search for
things, rather than having to scroll by time or frequency.


mike maghakian March 31st 06 03:40 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
I have been saying that for years...I own every issue and I keep buying them
but NOT for the schedules.

the internet is the ONLY source for schedules and stuff like that

I use a program that imports several databases so I always have the best
info available to me at all times


"Jim Hackett" wrote in message
. com...
Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...





Jim Hackett March 31st 06 06:47 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Yea, I buy them every year too and have quite a collection. I'm not sure
WHY I keep buying them. Probably for the same reason I keep buying radio
after radio. :) obsessive compulsive disorder...



"mike maghakian" wrote in message
...
I have been saying that for years...I own every issue and I keep buying

them
but NOT for the schedules.

the internet is the ONLY source for schedules and stuff like that

I use a program that imports several databases so I always have the best
info available to me at all times


"Jim Hackett" wrote in message
. com...
Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...







junius March 31st 06 06:52 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 

rkhalona wrote:
Greg wrote:

I buy it for nostalgia, and for the cool cover illustrations.


and the equipment reviews and the ads..., but never for the schedules!
:-)

RK


The Addresses Plus section is pretty decent, too, I'd say.

A better editing job could be done on PWBR, though. On the WL-500
review in this year's Passport, it's stated that the unit has been
discontinued; nevertheless, it's written that "this is a new model" in
the next to last note (a failure to update a comment from the year in
which the antenna was first reviewed). I laughed aloud when I saw that
Eton's toll-free tech support was listed as one of the Eton Mini
300PE's "Cons". Is their tech support THAT bad??


Joe Analssandrini March 31st 06 04:20 PM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Dear Jim,

PASSPORT's "What's On Tonight" section is fairly accurate, based on
information available at presstime and educated guesses. The "Blue
Pages" frequency list is more accurate when the book is first
available, growing somewhat less so as time goes on and as we enter the
summer schedule. PASSPORT is at its strongest with regard to its
product reviews which are, in my opinion, the finest available. While
not totally "unbiased" (as long as you have human beings you will have
bias!) they are far more informative and accurate than, say, users
opinions on eHam, etc., valuable as those are. PASSPORT actually uses
laboratory instruments to measure the SW products being tested and I
know of no other source which does that.

For frequency schedules, WRTH is more accurate, as it is published
later in the year than is PASSPORT, and WRTH updates their frequency
list online when the summer season starts. WRTH has far more frequency
and station information than does PASSPORT, especially for MW and/or TV
DXers.. WRTH is weaker with regard to product reviews.

PrimeTimeShortwave is, in my experience, the most accurate and
up-to-date schedule list and is updated very fast. However, its main
limitation is that it does not show what "shows" are playing (and, of
course, you have to be "online" to read it or download it). I
personally still prefer looking things up in a book though, of course,
I realize that an online list can be inherently more accurate.

All that said, I find both PASSPORT and WRTH to be invaluable guides
and I buy them every year. Frankly, I don't see how a serious SWL can
do without them. I couldn't! Of course, I also make use of whatever
other sources of information I can. They ALL have their place.

Best,

Joe


Buzzygirl April 1st 06 12:42 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
I buy PTWBR mostly for the equipment reviews. I also like the highlights on
various countries' program offerings and their spotlight on a particular
region/nation (2006 features China). I find that *sometimes* the blue page
schedules are dead-on, but oftentimes they're not. That's why I also have
primetimeshortwave.com fired up and ready to search in case I come across a
broadcast that is not listed in PTWBR.

Jackie



Jim Hackett April 1st 06 12:52 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Thanks everyone for your input. Seems Primetime is most peoples favorite in
regards to accuracy...



"Buzzygirl" wrote in message
...
I buy PTWBR mostly for the equipment reviews. I also like the highlights

on
various countries' program offerings and their spotlight on a particular
region/nation (2006 features China). I find that *sometimes* the blue

page
schedules are dead-on, but oftentimes they're not. That's why I also have
primetimeshortwave.com fired up and ready to search in case I come across

a
broadcast that is not listed in PTWBR.

Jackie





Joe Analssandrini April 1st 06 01:15 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Dear Jim,

The ILG database is also superb. Formerly it took over a month for the
current schedule to be posted but this time they've outdone themselves:
the A06 schedule is already posted. I recommend that you and everyone
else get their password and download it.

Also keep checking WRTH's site. I'm sure they will have the complete
A06 schedule available for downloading very soon.

Best,

Joe


Jim Hackett April 1st 06 01:35 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
I have never cared for the ILG database. I don't like the format that it's
presented in...


"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
oups.com...
Dear Jim,

The ILG database is also superb. Formerly it took over a month for the
current schedule to be posted but this time they've outdone themselves:
the A06 schedule is already posted. I recommend that you and everyone
else get their password and download it.

Also keep checking WRTH's site. I'm sure they will have the complete
A06 schedule available for downloading very soon.

Best,

Joe




running dogg April 1st 06 04:44 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
junius wrote:


rkhalona wrote:
Greg wrote:

I buy it for nostalgia, and for the cool cover illustrations.


and the equipment reviews and the ads..., but never for the schedules!
:-)

RK


The Addresses Plus section is pretty decent, too, I'd say.

A better editing job could be done on PWBR, though. On the WL-500
review in this year's Passport, it's stated that the unit has been
discontinued; nevertheless, it's written that "this is a new model" in
the next to last note (a failure to update a comment from the year in
which the antenna was first reviewed). I laughed aloud when I saw that
Eton's toll-free tech support was listed as one of the Eton Mini
300PE's "Cons". Is their tech support THAT bad??


It must connect you to China. And the help desk droids speak Chinese, or
speak English that's so bad no American can understand it.


mike maghakian April 1st 06 07:45 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
http://www.shortwavelog.com/default-english.html


"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message
. ..
What program do you use?

"mike maghakian" wrote in message
...
I have been saying that for years...I own every issue and I keep buying

them
but NOT for the schedules.

the internet is the ONLY source for schedules and stuff like that

I use a program that imports several databases so I always have the best
info available to me at all times


"Jim Hackett" wrote in message
. com...
Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time that
I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in
Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that
sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...









mike maghakian April 1st 06 07:47 AM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
the fineware software is obsolete and hasn't been supported for a while,
there are other programs that do better like:

http://www.shortwavelog.com/default-english.html



"junius" wrote in message
oups.com...
Have you tried the ilgdata file in conjuntion with Fineware's Radio
Listener's Database (RLDB)? Works quite well, in my opinion.

Since I prefer my frequency guide on paper, I like to download the
ilgsimpo file and convert it into an Excel document. After deleting
some columns, shifting and/or renaming some, abbreviating certain text,
reducing font size, etc., I come out with a decent product contoured to
my preferences. 250 pages (landscape, all columns on one page); so 125
pages, printing on both sides. Hole-punch the pages for a three-ring
binder. Requires a few hours to revise/format after downloading of the
files, but for a 6 month season, I find that it's more than worth it to
take the time...

As others have noted in this thread, though, it's good to be able to
refer to a variety of sources. EiBi is great; and for English-language
program listening, I wouldn't want to be without Daniel Sampson's
excellent PrimeTime Shortwave listings.

junius


Jim Hackett wrote:
I have never cared for the ILG database. I don't like the format that
it's
presented in...


"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
oups.com...
Dear Jim,

The ILG database is also superb. Formerly it took over a month for the
current schedule to be posted but this time they've outdone themselves:
the A06 schedule is already posted. I recommend that you and everyone
else get their password and download it.

Also keep checking WRTH's site. I'm sure they will have the complete
A06 schedule available for downloading very soon.

Best,

Joe





Lisa Simpson April 1st 06 02:45 PM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Yep - same one I use! EXCELLENT program!

"mike maghakian" wrote in message
. ..
http://www.shortwavelog.com/default-english.html


"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message
. ..
What program do you use?

"mike maghakian" wrote in message
...
I have been saying that for years...I own every issue and I keep buying

them
but NOT for the schedules.

the internet is the ONLY source for schedules and stuff like that

I use a program that imports several databases so I always have the

best
info available to me at all times


"Jim Hackett" wrote in message
. com...
Is it just me, or do others find that in way over 50% of the time

that
I
hear something on "X" frequency at "Y" time, and look it up in
Passport,
there's NOTHING listed?
Example: Right now, 23:23 on 15.340, I'm hearing some music that
sounds
like it belongs in some musical. I look in Passport, there is

NOTHING
listed for that freq/time...
Kind of defeats the purpose of buying the book...











Jim Hackett April 1st 06 03:26 PM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
You hit the nail on the head Junius! I'm getting older by the minute. I
don't have time for all that!



"junius" wrote in message
oups.com...
Have you tried the ilgdata file in conjuntion with Fineware's Radio
Listener's Database (RLDB)? Works quite well, in my opinion.

Since I prefer my frequency guide on paper, I like to download the
ilgsimpo file and convert it into an Excel document. After deleting
some columns, shifting and/or renaming some, abbreviating certain text,
reducing font size, etc., I come out with a decent product contoured to
my preferences. 250 pages (landscape, all columns on one page); so 125
pages, printing on both sides. Hole-punch the pages for a three-ring
binder. Requires a few hours to revise/format after downloading of the
files, but for a 6 month season, I find that it's more than worth it to
take the time...

As others have noted in this thread, though, it's good to be able to
refer to a variety of sources. EiBi is great; and for English-language
program listening, I wouldn't want to be without Daniel Sampson's
excellent PrimeTime Shortwave listings.

junius


Jim Hackett wrote:
I have never cared for the ILG database. I don't like the format that

it's
presented in...


"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message
oups.com...
Dear Jim,

The ILG database is also superb. Formerly it took over a month for the
current schedule to be posted but this time they've outdone

themselves:
the A06 schedule is already posted. I recommend that you and everyone
else get their password and download it.

Also keep checking WRTH's site. I'm sure they will have the complete
A06 schedule available for downloading very soon.

Best,

Joe





AC Smith April 1st 06 09:15 PM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
On 2006-03-31 16:35:44 -0800, "Jim Hackett" said:

I have never cared for the ILG database. I don't like the format that it's
presented in...


I'll have to speak up and say that I dig ILG big time.

Perhaps the reader I use makes it more usable for me. OS X only:
http://homepage.mac.com/jimwatson and it is free. He also offers a
nice free darkline/MUF map that automatically syncs with WWV for
current data.

--

acs

---
Grundig Satellit 800M, Degen 1102,*FR200,*
100' Random Wire, Degen "31" Amplified Loop,
Pulling signals out of thin air in the Pacific Northwest Since 1992
http://www.chevyorange.com


junius April 2nd 06 04:50 PM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 

AC Smith wrote:


I'll have to speak up and say that I dig ILG big time.


So do I. I like the detailed info ILG provides for each entry. In
fact, if I were permitted only one frequency guide, I'd go with ILG....
provided the schedules were being released in a timely manner.

It's good to see that the A06 scheds have come out promptly. With the
B05 scheds, though, there was such a delay that a lot of folks here
were speculating on whether ILG was simply not doing scheds any longer.

junius


[email protected] April 2nd 06 09:18 PM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Ohhhhhh,,,, decicions,,, decisions,,,,,, Yours,Mine and Ours movie is on
tv Radio right now and A Bridge Too Far movie is starting on another
DirecTV channel right now,but I have seen that movie on tv Radio sooooo
many times,I know it by heart.I am going to finish watching Yours,Mine
and Ours movie on tv Radio.
cuhulin


[email protected] April 2nd 06 09:23 PM

Passport to WORTHLESS band radio?
 
Geee Whiz,kidz,,, homepage.mac.com has added a clock.WOW!
cuhulin



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