Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

I have a Drake R8 and an AOR LA-380 desktop loop antenna. MW seems ok with
this setup, but I am wondering if I could get noticeably better MW with the
Eton E1 and this antenna.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

I own the radio's in question E1 and R8.....Noticably better with the Eton?,
probably not. The Eton is probably as sensitive as the R8 but will give
you selectable sideband sync reception and will hold sync better than the
R8....however, in 90% of cases, the R8 will do just fine.

I also have owned the AOR 7030 but sold it off....beautiful radio but the
operator interface is totally unfriendly, never was able to warm up to all
the intense button-pushing just to get around function changes, memories,
etc.

Good luck and DX
"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"DeWayne" wrote:

I have a Drake R8 and an AOR LA-380 desktop loop antenna. MW seems ok
with
this setup, but I am wondering if I could get noticeably better MW with
the
Eton E1 and this antenna.

You would be better off with a R8B.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

As an E1 owner and as one who owned an R8 for some 4 years ('91 to
'95), here's my take on it:

Unless you plan to use the portability of the Eton to get the radio out
of some noisy indoor environment that is preventing decent reception on
your Drake, I wouldn't expect the E1 to offer you noticeably better MW
reception. And the antenna you're using doesn't really lend itself to
portable applications.

While the Eton very nicely employs synchronous selectable sideband (as
in the Drake R8B), the Drake R8's overall performance is going to be
superior to that of the Eton E1.

For me, the E1 has become a favorite for portable applications. I've
come across no other portable that comes as close as the E1 does in
offering performance that approaches tabletop receiver quality.

junius




DeWayne wrote:
I have a Drake R8 and an AOR LA-380 desktop loop antenna. MW seems ok with
this setup, but I am wondering if I could get noticeably better MW with the
Eton E1 and this antenna.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Dear DeWayne,

Let me make a statement that you (and all here) should seriously
consider. NO shortwave radio with portable characteristics will match
the performance of a tabletop shortwave receiver, all other things
being equal.

While as RHF noted I am partial to the AOR AR7030 Plus (properly
configured) and, as I operate the set mostly via the RxWINGS
computer-control program and therefore have none of the complaints of
the person who does not like the AR7030's operating procedure (which
is, in fact, very easy to learn and use - I myself do operate the set
from its control panel every once in a while), the fact is that your
Drake R8 is very close in performance to the AOR and should be superior
in reception quality to the Eton E1, Grundig Satellit 800 (and yes I
own one of these too) or any other portable radio.

If you have a "weak point" (and I use this term carefully) in your
system, it is the antenna, good as the AOR LA-380 is according to all
reviews I have read. You might want to consider the Quantum Loop v.2
http://www.radiointel.com/review-qloop.htm for DXing on the MWs.
While I have no personal experience with it, Jay Allen is a respected
reviewer. If a Wellbrook Loop or an outside wire antenna is out of the
question for you, this might be an improvement over the AOR LA-380 on
MW. You would, of course, have to carefully research this one, though.

In short, I do not believe you need another radio; certainly, the Drake
R8 you have, assuming it is working properly, should be excellent for
MW DXing. The antenna is the key here - remember the antenna is always
more important than the radio.

As always, the above represents my opinions only. I hope they were of
some help to you.

Best,

Joe

P.S. Remember, I can handle things. I'm smart! Not like everybody says
.... like dumb ... I'm SMART and I want RESPECT!

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

"Invader3K" wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?


Can't have an outdoor antenna.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

JA - It's a Pakled World
http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/pakleds/

To the Pakled way of Thinking . . .
"We are Far From Home"
"We look for Things, Things We Need"
"He is Smart"
"It Is Broken - Can You Make It Go ?"
"You Think We Are Not Smart"
"We Like To Be Smart"
"You Are Smart - Make Us Strong"
"We Like Power"
"We Are Strong - You are Armed to the Teeth"
"We Are Strong Now - We have better Weapons"
"We Are A Force Now - We Will Have Respect"
"Attack - We Are Strong"
In conclusion : "They Are Smart - We Are Not Strong"

may the next generation enjoy strong signals ~ RHF

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Joe Analssandrini wrote:
Dear DeWayne,

Let me make a statement that you (and all here) should seriously
consider. NO shortwave radio with portable characteristics will match
the performance of a tabletop shortwave receiver, all other things
being equal.

I think I understand the point you are trying to make. But clearly
there are selected portable receivers that will outperform selected
tabletops.



While as RHF noted I am partial to the AOR AR7030 Plus (properly
configured) and, as I operate the set mostly via the RxWINGS
computer-control program and therefore have none of the complaints of
the person who does not like the AR7030's operating procedure (which
is, in fact, very easy to learn and use - I myself do operate the set
from its control panel every once in a while), the fact is that your
Drake R8 is very close in performance to the AOR and should be superior
in reception quality to the Eton E1, Grundig Satellit 800 (and yes I
own one of these too) or any other portable radio.

If you have a "weak point" (and I use this term carefully) in your
system, it is the antenna, good as the AOR LA-380 is according to all
reviews I have read. You might want to consider the Quantum Loop v.2
http://www.radiointel.com/review-qloop.htm for DXing on the MWs.
While I have no personal experience with it, Jay Allen is a respected
reviewer. If a Wellbrook Loop or an outside wire antenna is out of the
question for you, this might be an improvement over the AOR LA-380 on
MW. You would, of course, have to carefully research this one, though.

In short, I do not believe you need another radio; certainly, the Drake
R8 you have, assuming it is working properly, should be excellent for
MW DXing. The antenna is the key here - remember the antenna is always
more important than the radio.

As always, the above represents my opinions only. I hope they were of
some help to you.

Best,

Joe

P.S. Remember, I can handle things. I'm smart! Not like everybody says
... like dumb ... I'm SMART and I want RESPECT!

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

"DeWayne" wrote in message
...

"Invader3K" wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and
such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to
go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try
an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?


Can't have an outdoor antenna.

Do you have access to an attic? If so, Joe A. will
be able to tell you how he set up his Wellbrook
in his attic.

--Mike L.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

DeWayne wrote:
"Invader3K" wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?


Can't have an outdoor antenna.

What about an outdoor antenna that no one can see? Such an antenna
would deliver better performance for a fraction of the cost.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

DeWayne wrote:
"Invader3K" wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?


Can't have an outdoor antenna.

What about an outdoor antenna that no one can see? Such an antenna
would deliver better performance for a fraction of the cost.

There may be a way that I haven't tried, but I'm not sure it's worth the
hassle. I'm happy with my SW performance, just wondering if adding a
portable would do better for MW with my AOR loop.

[Hidden] Loop Antennas - Big "Fancy" Flower Box with a Wood and Wire Trellis
 

DeWayne,

[Hidden] Loop Antennas
- Big "Fancy" Flower Box with a Wood and Wire Trellis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/9150

Once knew a guy "The BlackSmith" who could not have an
Out-Door Antenna to use with his Yaesu FRG-7700 Receiver.

So he built his Wife a two Big "Fancy" Flower Boxes
(2' W x 8' L) and each had a nice Wood and Wire Trellis
{Loop Antennas}

The Flower Boxes sat in a rear corner of the backyard
(at 90* to each other) with a Fountain and small Pond
between them.

Each of the Trellis had Two Rectangular (6' H x 8' L)
Loop Antennas :
* One-Turn Shortwave Loop Antenna
* Ten-Turn AM/MW Loop Antenna.
http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_ante...loop_calc4.htm

NOTE - Having these Four Loop Antennas [Hidden] in the
Trellises of the Flower Boxes did require that he run Four
Coax Cables to an Antenna Switch in the Shack and then
he used a MFJ-956 -or- Grove Tun-3 Pre-Selector and
Antenna Tuner to Dial in his Loop Antennas.
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...amps/2964.html

FWIW - I suggested that he only use two Loop Antennas
each AM/MW Ten-Turn Loop and a DC Relay that could be
Turned "ON" from the Shack to 'Open-Up' the Loop at the
Coax Cable Shield's Side to the Loop-End Juntion and
have it function like a Bent Random Wire Antenna about
280 Feet long. He like his design using the Four Loops.

OBTW - One small problem that he did have was that the
Fountain - Pond Pump Moter had to be turn "Off" when he
wanted to Listen to the Radios ;-(


DeWayne - So may be you could build a nice Flower Box
with a Trellis for a Window or two :o) - iane ~ RHF
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

DeWayne wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

DeWayne wrote:
"Invader3K" wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?


Can't have an outdoor antenna.

What about an outdoor antenna that no one can see? Such an antenna
would deliver better performance for a fraction of the cost.

There may be a way that I haven't tried, but I'm not sure it's worth the
hassle. I'm happy with my SW performance, just wondering if adding a
portable would do better for MW with my AOR loop.



Magnet wire can be used for an antenna that is all but invisible.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

"John S." wrote in message
oups.com...

DeWayne wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

DeWayne wrote:
"Invader3K" wrote in message
oups.com...
I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to
go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?


Can't have an outdoor antenna.

What about an outdoor antenna that no one can see? Such an antenna
would deliver better performance for a fraction of the cost.

There may be a way that I haven't tried, but I'm not sure it's worth the
hassle. I'm happy with my SW performance, just wondering if adding a
portable would do better for MW with my AOR loop.



Magnet wire can be used for an antenna that is all but invisible.

There aren't even any small satellite dishes here. I couldn't put anything
up without being seen. I'm looking at the Ccrane twin coil ferrite antenna
for $100. But I still don't know if it would be any better than my AOR loop.
Anyway thanks for all the help folks. There are a lot of very helpful people
here when someone needs it!

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

One of the many disavantages of living in an apartment
complex/condomium.(actually,there are no advantages in living in places
like that,but that is only my opinion) Check out
www.ramseyelectronics.com

I think I saw something there about antennas.By the way,the Drake R8
Radios are far and away much better than anything Eton can ever come out
with.But that is only my opinion too.
cuhulin

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

John S. wrote:

I think I understand the point you are trying to make. But clearly
there are selected portable receivers that will outperform selected
tabletops.



For instance?
--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

John S. wrote:

I think I understand the point you are trying to make. But clearly
there are selected portable receivers that will outperform selected
tabletops.

If you look really hard to find the crappiest tabletop receivers ever
built, then maybe. In general, though, if you want real performance, go
for the tabletops. And most of all, remember this cardinal rule of
receiver purchasing:

A $500 dollar portable is still just a portable. (It's also an
extremely bad deal, but that's a story for another time...)

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

In article . com,
wrote:

DeWayne wrote:
I have a Drake R8 and an AOR LA-380 desktop loop antenna. MW seems ok with
this setup, but I am wondering if I could get noticeably better MW with the
Eton E1 and this antenna.

I have the original Drake R-8 & the Eton E-1. I only use my R-8 for
longwave beacon DX now. The Eton E1 has a better sync detector, not
only as far as locking on a faint signal, but also it sometimes seems
to reduce adjacent interference and slightly improve sensitivity, using
the 6 kHz or 4 kHz filters. It also has a slight effect sometimes on
electrical noise. If I don't bother to adjust the passband tuning, the
2.3 kHz filter splits off stations better with sync off, but with
slight reduction in volume. If the SYNC is used in 2.3 kHz, adjusting
the passband tuning seems more necessary for sharper selectivity. The
SYNC even locks on to signals under sideband splash.

Last October I got audio from 28 MW trans-Atlantics on the E1, using
only the tiny un-amplified Radio shack loop as my antenna. Plus
detected several dozen weak carriers. They seemed weaker & harder to
detect on the R-8, using an amplified loop. Maybe I forgot something
that made the comparison unfair. On selectivity comparisons, I got
pretty good audio separation from stations as close as 180Hz on the R8,
using the 1.8 kHz filter, & 120 Hz on the E1, using the 2.3 kHz filter.

Of course most signals aren't faint & buried in splash, so I guess
usually you may hear no difference. Some people will say real radios
don't run on internal batteries, but with the E1 using rechargeable
batteries, I can reduce noise if it is coming in more through the power
lines than the air. The E1 image rejection of greater than 90 db
surpasses many expensive tabletop models.

My R-8 is rather elderly by now & maybe needs a tune-up? But they are
both great radios. Make some comparisons on the weak signals mostly
buried under adjacent interference & you may or may not notice a
difference. George (MN)

You will need a hefty battery such as a car battery but there is a 12V
DC connector on the back panel of the R8. Using a battery on the R8
might make the comparison more fair by lowering the noise floor.

But aside from AC power raising the noise floor the E1 has an improved
sync detector over the R8.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

DeWayne wrote:
"John S." wrote in message
oups.com...

DeWayne wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
egroups.com...

DeWayne wrote:

"Invader3K" wrote in message
glegroups.com...

I admit to never having used either model, but from reviews and such,
the R8 is supposed to be great for DXing both shortwave and medium
wave. Perhaps improving your antenna would be the better route to
go.
The AOR is supposed to be a good loop, but perhaps you could try an
outdoor antenna to improve reception?


Can't have an outdoor antenna.

What about an outdoor antenna that no one can see? Such an antenna
would deliver better performance for a fraction of the cost.

There may be a way that I haven't tried, but I'm not sure it's worth the
hassle. I'm happy with my SW performance, just wondering if adding a
portable would do better for MW with my AOR loop.


Magnet wire can be used for an antenna that is all but invisible.


There aren't even any small satellite dishes here. I couldn't put anything
up without being seen. I'm looking at the Ccrane twin coil ferrite antenna
for $100. But I still don't know if it would be any better than my AOR loop.
Anyway thanks for all the help folks. There are a lot of very helpful people
here when someone needs it!

Post some pictures of your dwelling and we'll give you some suggestions
for external stealth antennas.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:36:00 -0400, "Brian Denley"
wrote:

John S. wrote:

I think I understand the point you are trying to make. But clearly
there are selected portable receivers that will outperform selected
tabletops.



For instance?

SW8 vs FRG-100

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Brian Denley wrote:
John S. wrote:

I think I understand the point you are trying to make. But clearly
there are selected portable receivers that will outperform selected
tabletops.


A for instance would be: A Sony 2010 will outperform a Kenwood R300.
And I'm sure you can come up with several others.




For instance?
--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Steve wrote:
John S. wrote:

I think I understand the point you are trying to make. But clearly
there are selected portable receivers that will outperform selected
tabletops.

If you look really hard to find the crappiest tabletop receivers ever
built, then maybe. In general, though, if you want real performance, go
for the tabletops.

Since performance can be assumed to take into account many factors I
think it is safe to say a portable of the quality of a 2010 will run
circles around several (but certainly not all) tabletops.


And most of all, remember this cardinal rule of
receiver purchasing:

A $500 dollar portable is still just a portable. (It's also an
extremely bad deal, but that's a story for another time...)

"A portable is an extremely bad deal." Hmmm...you must have benefit of
special insight that legions of purchasers of portables have completely
missed. I'm sure they (and I) would appreciate your insight into the
qualities of portable radios, so please feel free share them.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Actually, I would never say that a portable receiver is necessarily a
bad deal. I have a Sony 7600GR, for example, that I spent a little over
a hundred bucks on. That was money well invested. I've gotten many,
many hours of enjoyment from it and it continues to go strong. I'd say
the same about my little Grundig Mini-World receiver, which is
literally so small it fits in my shirt pocket. There are some very,
very good deals to be had on portables out there.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Steve wrote:
Actually, I would never say that a portable receiver is necessarily a
bad deal.

If that is the case then were you just talking to yourself when you
said: A $500 dollar portable is still just a portable. (It's also an
extremely bad deal, but that's a story for another time...)


I have a Sony 7600GR, for example, that I spent a little over
a hundred bucks on. That was money well invested. I've gotten many,
many hours of enjoyment from it and it continues to go strong. I'd say
the same about my little Grundig Mini-World receiver, which is
literally so small it fits in my shirt pocket. There are some very,
very good deals to be had on portables out there.

You need to figure out what you really think before pushing the Post
Message icon my friend.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

junius wrote:
John S. wrote:
A for instance would be: A Sony 2010 will outperform a Kenwood R300.
And I'm sure you can come up with several others.

it is interesting the manner in which certain portables have narrowed
the performance gap between portable and tabletop.

The Sat 800 and E1 would be prime examples in this respect. (yeah, I
know, some folks have trouble carrying a Sat 800...probably the same
folks who take an elevator to get from ground level to the second floor
of a building... ;-)

Also, models such as the Drake SW8 (and the Sat 800, for that matter)
have served to blur the distinction between portable/tabletop.

I agree completely - there are some fine portable receivers. I notice
that the portable bashing group has become suddenly silent. It's
difficult to keep talking when facts get in the way of opinions.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

You conveniently left out the "$500" part when you quoted me, fool. The
"$500" was quite an important omission on your part. I assumed you just
misunderstood me and that you weren't just being an idiot, but now I
see that you were just being an idiot.

In that case, hey, I didn't say YOU couldn't spend $500 on a portable,
if you want to. If that floats your boat, knock yourself out.

Do you like hamburgers? If so, check this out:

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/fleurburger-5000/

I'd never spend this much on a hamburger, because a $5000 is still just
a hamburger. But hey, they're selling plenty of them in Vegas...and in
SF now.

Enjoy your burger!!!! And maybe you'll think twice now before shooting
off your mouth again.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

No one in this group is bashing portables.

Thanks for finally helping me to understand why even some men are
nowadays referred to as "bitches".

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Steve wrote:
You conveniently left out the "$500" part when you quoted me, fool. The
"$500" was quite an important omission on your part. I assumed you just
misunderstood me and that you weren't just being an idiot, but now I
see that you were just being an idiot.

Whether the $500 is in or out of the quote is pretty much irrelevant to
the conclusion that you are seriously out of touch with current radio
technology. Yes, I know the Zenith TO is a marginal performer when
compared to modern tabletop (and portable) receivers. But you need to
move forward at least 5 decades in your thinking and experience. Most
modern portables will outperform several table top receivers (and
remember the 2010 and more recent offering from Eton are priced below
your beloved $500 number).


In that case, hey, I didn't say YOU couldn't spend $500 on a portable,
if you want to. If that floats your boat, knock yourself out.

You are the one who made the inane statement about portables, not me.

Do you like hamburgers? If so, check this out:

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/fleurburger-5000/

I'd never spend this much on a hamburger, because a $5000 is still just
a hamburger. But hey, they're selling plenty of them in Vegas...and in
SF now.

I can't imagine why you would want to spend $5000 or $500 on a
hamburger, but if that is what floats your boat, then who am I to
deprive you of that pleasure.



Enjoy your burger!!!! And maybe you'll think twice now before shooting
off your mouth again.

You may wish to look at the portables offered in the post 1970's world
before making such a completely unsupported statement again. You
really come across as out of touch.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

John S. wrote:
Steve wrote:
You conveniently left out the "$500" part when you quoted me, fool. The
"$500" was quite an important omission on your part. I assumed you just
misunderstood me and that you weren't just being an idiot, but now I
see that you were just being an idiot.

Whether the $500 is in or out of the quote is pretty much irrelevant to
the conclusion that you are seriously out of touch with current radio
technology. Yes, I know the Zenith TO is a marginal performer when
compared to modern tabletop (and portable) receivers. But you need to
move forward at least 5 decades in your thinking and experience. Most
modern portables will outperform several table top receivers (and
remember the 2010 and more recent offering from Eton are priced below
your beloved $500 number).

Oh, "several"...so what? No one said anything inconsistent with that,
so why are your panties in a twist?



In that case, hey, I didn't say YOU couldn't spend $500 on a portable,
if you want to. If that floats your boat, knock yourself out.

You are the one who made the inane statement about portables, not me.

I didn't say anything about portables that isn't freely available to
anyone who looks at the price sheet on the Universal Radio website. You
must be confused.

Do you like hamburgers? If so, check this out:

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/fleurburger-5000/

I'd never spend this much on a hamburger, because a $5000 is still just
a hamburger. But hey, they're selling plenty of them in Vegas...and in
SF now.

I can't imagine why you would want to spend $5000 or $500 on a
hamburger, but if that is what floats your boat, then who am I to
deprive you of that pleasure.


Enjoy your burger!!!! And maybe you'll think twice now before shooting
off your mouth again.

You may wish to look at the portables offered in the post 1970's world
before making such a completely unsupported statement again. You
really come across as out of touch.

THINK first, THEN post to the group. Your life will improve as soon as
you take things in this order.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

This kind of defensiveness speaks volumes. It's easy to tell when
someone has sunk a large amount of money into a receiver and then
regrets it. They have to make others pay for (what they perceive to be)
their mistake.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Hey, let's ease up on things in here, folks...

Tonight on Masterpiece Theat
Under The Greenwood Tree
Keely Hawes stars in this adaptation of Thomas Hardy's novel about
courtship and love in rural England in the 1870s. It is a moving and
funny romance charting the relationship of school teacher Fancy Day and
the laborer Dick Dewey through four seasons, from their first meeting
in winter to their eventual marriage -- under the greenwood tree -- in
autumn.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Steve wrote:
No one in this group is bashing portables.

Thanks for finally helping me to understand why even some men are
nowadays referred to as "bitches".

Now that is an interesting word to use...speaks volumes about you and
your ....er... interests.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Yo, buckwheat...you were the one who said:

"A $500 dollar portable is still just a portable. (It's also an
extremely bad deal, but that's a story for another time...)"

Before you can hope to post something meaningful, it is really
important that your bring you thinking and experience forward about 5
decades. Consider reading 25 years of back copies of publications such
as Monitoring Times, Passport to World Band Radio (and it's predecessor
RDI) and World Radio TV Handbook as a start.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Steve wrote:
This kind of defensiveness speaks volumes. It's easy to tell when
someone has sunk a large amount of money into a receiver and then
regrets it. They have to make others pay for (what they perceive to be)
their mistake.

Actually for my first decent tabletop receiver I paid $400.00 new for
a Kenwood R5000, added the filters, memory option and a few other
goodies. After that I picked up a fully functional National HRO 500
for $25.00 plus commission at an auction.

But the radio that really got me started in SWLin'g was the
high-performing Sony 2010 Portable (before the R5000) that sold for way
under your magical number of $500.00 And yes it will outperform many
tabletops.

I'm at a complete loss as to what what you are talking about..., bud.
There are guys that will sink a lot of money into old communuications
receivers (R390) and some of the new comm stuff that comes on the used
market. But they really are basically just ego boosters for guys like
you aren't they.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Just stating the obvious, Sunshine.

Look, we've all made purchases we later felt bad about. No one is
criticizing you for it, but Jeez...you gotta own up to the mistake and
then move on. Continuing to twist your panties around isn't going to
get you anything...well, except maybe a rash or something.

Hope this helps.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Damn, I guess I really hit a nerve.

Congrats on the 2010. It was a pretty good deal in terms of price and
performance. At least you've owned one portable that you don't have to
feel defensive about.

As for the rest of your verbiage, I don't know what to tell you. If you
can't conduct a serious (or at any rate, halfway serious) conversation
about receivers, you came to the wrong place. I feel a little sorry for
you, since you're obviously out a lot of dough. At the same time, your
being all nasty and defensive ain't gonna hurt me, and it ain't gonna
make you any smarter. Just try to do a little research next time,
preferably BEFORE you make your purchase.

Hope this helps.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Steve wrote:

Congrats on the 2010. It was a pretty good deal in terms of price and
performance. At least you've owned one portable that you don't have to
feel defensive about.


Hmm, I bought a '2010 new in 1988 for $325 at Ham Radio Outlet, Atlanta
(Larry Galecki made the sale). Good radio, although it's no longer in
proper working order now. I did get my money's worth out of it,
though.

Of course, the dollar was worth more when I bought that radio. In 2006
dollars, we'd be talkin' about $530.75 for that purchase in 1988.

http://minneapolisfed.org/research/data/us/calc/

((Needless to say, I understand your argument, Steve: you're weighing
the cost of the E1 relative to other radios on the market today when
making the assessment that it's not a good value for you. Still, I
throw this out there because it's worthwhile to note that our dollar
has declined in value over time.))

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

Good point, Junius.

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

John S. wrote:
Actually for my first decent tabletop receiver I paid $400.00 new for
a Kenwood R5000, added the filters, memory option and a few other
goodies.

Wow, where did you get a new R5000 for $400.00? I remember pricing
those back in 1989, and the best price I could find was $779.95....

Drake R8 Vs Eton E1 - MW
 

junius wrote:
John S. wrote:
Actually for my first decent tabletop receiver I paid $400.00 new for
a Kenwood R5000, added the filters, memory option and a few other
goodies.

Wow, where did you get a new R5000 for $400.00? I remember pricing
those back in 1989, and the best price I could find was $779.95....

Gilfer...(remember them) were selling them for a good price early on.
The yen went out of sight and Kenwood jacked the price up.