Government-sponsored NPR? Not in my lifetime, I hope. They take some
money, yeah, ut I don't think George would be too happy with what he
would hear there on any given day. And the programs are a lot of crap
anyway. If you want to ear some real good radio, listen to CBC anytime
before the year 2000.

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On 18 May 2006 09:16:29 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

SbSw,

"I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters
in the USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies,
evenly spaced across the country would cover the entire
lower 48 day and night."

i like that idea ~ RHF
.
That's absurd. A satellite covers the whole country and uses way less
energy.


Yes, and a satellite also requires a directional antenna and special
receiver (and a subscription). Putting LW into standard radios would cost
almost nothing, and add little to the cost of a portable radio.

How much energy did it take to put the satellite into orbit?
How much power is used in the uplink effort?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


The actual uplink is usually in the 10 to 25 watt region for video,
and it would take less for a narrow audio only signal. An all solid
state microwave transmitter would only consume a few hundred watts. The
studio equipment would use more energy than the uplink. BTW, i have
been trying to track down the owner of an abandoned C-band video
confrencing earth station that was built by Microdyne. I want the
equipment because the system is serial number one, and the only uplink
they ever built.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:55:20 -0500, wrote:

Mr.Eduardo,do a search for AM Radio Stations in America.
And why do you think so many Americans are so interested in DXing for AM
Radio Stations all over America?
cuhulin

What's the point if every station on late at night is playing the same
thing?

"Jim Hackett" wrote:

What planet are you referring to? Here on Earth, shortwave seems to be alive
and well, to me...



Except BBC has stopped targeting N/A... as have several others... RCI
is largely domestic programs... Media Network is long gone... The
Happy Station is a long gone memory, and so on.

But never mind that -- I was talking about *domestic* radio, as were
Brenda Ann and Eduardo.




"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"Brenda Ann" wrote:


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band
should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality radio.
they certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

Glad you have a good grasp on your tiny little world Eduardo.. but a lot
of
the rest of us belong to a great big world with a lot of other choices
besides the ones that the NAB wants to cram down our throats. [...]

Brenda Ann,

You've shown yourself to be one of the true voices of sanity on this
newsgroup, and I do respect your viewpoints on various issues.

However, I speak from personal experience when I say that arguing with
Eduardo (and his cheerleading section) is about as effective as
teaching a horse to sing.

We, the radio listening public, are just going to have to wait for the
decline of radio brought on by the likes of Eduardo to get serious
enough that the bean-counters actually notice the downward trend. I
haven't listened to commercial radio in years -- not without trying,
mind you, but it is just boring and bland beyond hope.

Arbitron will never figure it out, too. After the brilliance of
Arbitron was pointed out to me (again and again and again), I finally
got asked to participate in one of their surveys. Well, actually, my
computer was asked. They just picked random phone number digits and
came up with my computer modem line, and weren't actually interested
in talking to the owner of that modem when I contacted them about
participating in the survey. Well, our local water system's data
line was also asked to participate, too.

I hate to admit it, but radio as we've known it is finally dying. The
bean counters won, radio lost.

--
Eric F. Richards,
"It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it's possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it's unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006


--
Eric F. Richards,
"It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it’s possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it’s unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006

Yea, I saw that AFTER I replied. So... NEVERMIND...



"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"Jim Hackett" wrote:

What planet are you referring to? Here on Earth, shortwave seems to be
alive
and well, to me...



Except BBC has stopped targeting N/A... as have several others... RCI
is largely domestic programs... Media Network is long gone... The
Happy Station is a long gone memory, and so on.

But never mind that -- I was talking about *domestic* radio, as were
Brenda Ann and Eduardo.




"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"Brenda Ann" wrote:


"David Eduardo" wrote in message
. com...

"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
SW,

"In addition, the LW band and the "Tropical" part of the SW band
should

be pressed into service for one or two 500,000 watt national
coverage
broadcasters - government sponsored (NPR?) "

Americans increasingly will not listen to even local AM-quality
radio.
they certainly would not listen to fady, erratic SW.

Glad you have a good grasp on your tiny little world Eduardo.. but a
lot
of
the rest of us belong to a great big world with a lot of other
choices
besides the ones that the NAB wants to cram down our throats. [...]

Brenda Ann,

You've shown yourself to be one of the true voices of sanity on this
newsgroup, and I do respect your viewpoints on various issues.

However, I speak from personal experience when I say that arguing with
Eduardo (and his cheerleading section) is about as effective as
teaching a horse to sing.

We, the radio listening public, are just going to have to wait for the
decline of radio brought on by the likes of Eduardo to get serious
enough that the bean-counters actually notice the downward trend. I
haven't listened to commercial radio in years -- not without trying,
mind you, but it is just boring and bland beyond hope.

Arbitron will never figure it out, too. After the brilliance of
Arbitron was pointed out to me (again and again and again), I finally
got asked to participate in one of their surveys. Well, actually, my
computer was asked. They just picked random phone number digits and
came up with my computer modem line, and weren't actually interested
in talking to the owner of that modem when I contacted them about
participating in the survey. Well, our local water system's data
line was also asked to participate, too.

I hate to admit it, but radio as we've known it is finally dying. The
bean counters won, radio lost.

--
Eric F. Richards,
"It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it's possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it's unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006


--
Eric F. Richards,
"It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it's possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it's unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006

In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On 18 May 2006 09:16:29 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

SbSw,

"I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters
in the USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies, evenly
spaced across the country would cover the entire lower 48 day
and night."

i like that idea ~ RHF
.
That's absurd. A satellite covers the whole country and uses
way less energy.


Yes, and a satellite also requires a directional antenna and
special receiver (and a subscription). Putting LW into standard
radios would cost almost nothing, and add little to the cost of a
portable radio.

How much energy did it take to put the satellite into orbit? How
much power is used in the uplink effort?

-- Telamon Ventura, California


The actual uplink is usually in the 10 to 25 watt region for
video,
and it would take less for a narrow audio only signal. An all solid
state microwave transmitter would only consume a few hundred watts.
The studio equipment would use more energy than the uplink. BTW, i
have been trying to track down the owner of an abandoned C-band video
confrencing earth station that was built by Microdyne. I want the
equipment because the system is serial number one, and the only
uplink they ever built.

I figured a few hundred watts for uplink power of the final PA but as
you mention there are facilities that need to be supported along with
the uplink dish. People are often surprised at how much power is
consumed by support facilities for the electronics, lights and air
conditioning. I have managed facilities that consume 100 KW and did not
transmit any signal, just lights, electronic equipment, air
conditioning, and heating.

People tend to forget the cost of putting the satellite into orbit.
This is a cost that can not be ignored either.

I don't know where you go looking for C band uplink equipment.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Not to mention all the supporting infrastructure. Those satellites
don't just float up into orbit all by themselves.

No one cares about AM analog, but even fewer care about digital radio.
Talk about a stillborn technology.

Telamon wrote in
:

In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On 18 May 2006 09:16:29 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

SbSw,

"I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters
in the USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies,
evenly spaced across the country would cover the entire
lower 48 day and night."

i like that idea ~ RHF
.
That's absurd. A satellite covers the whole country and uses way
less energy.


Yes, and a satellite also requires a directional antenna and special
receiver (and a subscription). Putting LW into standard radios would
cost almost nothing, and add little to the cost of a portable radio.

How much energy did it take to put the satellite into orbit?
How much power is used in the uplink effort?


How much energy did it take to make your plastic shortwave?

sc

On Fri, 19 May 2006 18:40:47 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
On 18 May 2006 09:16:29 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

SbSw,

"I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters
in the USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies,
evenly spaced across the country would cover the entire
lower 48 day and night."

i like that idea ~ RHF
.
That's absurd. A satellite covers the whole country and uses way less
energy.


Yes, and a satellite also requires a directional antenna and special
receiver (and a subscription). Putting LW into standard radios would cost
almost nothing, and add little to the cost of a portable radio.

How much energy did it take to put the satellite into orbit?
How much power is used in the uplink effort?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


The actual uplink is usually in the 10 to 25 watt region for video,
and it would take less for a narrow audio only signal. An all solid
state microwave transmitter would only consume a few hundred watts. The
studio equipment would use more energy than the uplink. BTW, i have
been trying to track down the owner of an abandoned C-band video
confrencing earth station that was built by Microdyne. I want the
equipment because the system is serial number one, and the only uplink
they ever built.

Uplinks are in the kiloWatts TPO.