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Old May 15th 06, 06:24 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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In many markets, 10 kw is not enough to cover the market without being
trashed by manmade noise. Also, the relationship has to considder that low
band AMs cover much better than high band... a 5 kw on 550 outcovers vastly
a 50 kw on 1500.


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You are referring to daytime reception only?

Considering daytime ground wave propagation, is the difference in
coverage low to high band due to ground conductivity where the high end
of the band has more loss per mile?

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

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In many markets, 10 kw is not enough to cover the market without being
trashed by manmade noise. Also, the relationship has to considder that
low
band AMs cover much better than high band... a 5 kw on 550 outcovers
vastly
a 50 kw on 1500.


Snip

You are referring to daytime reception only?


Yes. In the US, there are so few stations that have any extended night
coverage as to make the point moot for all but maybe 30 or 40 stations in
the whole nation that can get usable skywave coverage. In any event, night
AM listening is so low that it is irrelevanat, irrespective of coverage.

Considering daytime ground wave propagation, is the difference in
coverage low to high band due to ground conductivity where the high end
of the band has more loss per mile?


Given the same transmitter site, and same radiation efficiency, the
difference is that medium wave signals propagate better watt for watt on the
lower frequencies. Ground conductivity decreases as a function of frequency.
This is why the old adage that 1 kw on 1540 covers better than 50 kw on 1600
is nearly true.


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Old May 16th 06, 03:51 AM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

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In many markets, 10 kw is not enough to cover the market without being
trashed by manmade noise. Also, the relationship has to considder that
low
band AMs cover much better than high band... a 5 kw on 550 outcovers
vastly
a 50 kw on 1500.


Snip

You are referring to daytime reception only?


Yes. In the US, there are so few stations that have any extended night
coverage as to make the point moot for all but maybe 30 or 40 stations in
the whole nation that can get usable skywave coverage. In any event, night
AM listening is so low that it is irrelevanat, irrespective of coverage.

Considering daytime ground wave propagation, is the difference in
coverage low to high band due to ground conductivity where the high end
of the band has more loss per mile?


Given the same transmitter site, and same radiation efficiency, the
difference is that medium wave signals propagate better watt for watt on the
lower frequencies. Ground conductivity decreases as a function of frequency.
This is why the old adage that 1 kw on 1540 covers better than 50 kw on 1600
is nearly true.


I assume you meant 540, not 1540.

I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters in the
USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies, evenly spaced across
the country would cover the entire lower 48 day and night. It won't
happen, of course, because nobody owns radios that cover LW besides
radio nerds like us.

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"Somebody Somewhere" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

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In many markets, 10 kw is not enough to cover the market without being
trashed by manmade noise. Also, the relationship has to considder that
low
band AMs cover much better than high band... a 5 kw on 550 outcovers
vastly
a 50 kw on 1500.

Snip

You are referring to daytime reception only?


Yes. In the US, there are so few stations that have any extended night
coverage as to make the point moot for all but maybe 30 or 40 stations in
the whole nation that can get usable skywave coverage. In any event,
night
AM listening is so low that it is irrelevanat, irrespective of coverage.

Considering daytime ground wave propagation, is the difference in
coverage low to high band due to ground conductivity where the high end
of the band has more loss per mile?


Given the same transmitter site, and same radiation efficiency, the
difference is that medium wave signals propagate better watt for watt on
the
lower frequencies. Ground conductivity decreases as a function of
frequency.
This is why the old adage that 1 kw on 1540 covers better than 50 kw on
1600
is nearly true.


I assume you meant 540, not 1540.


Yep. thanks for spotting this.

I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters in the
USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies, evenly spaced across
the country would cover the entire lower 48 day and night. It won't
happen, of course, because nobody owns radios that cover LW besides
radio nerds like us.


Unfortunately, nobody but the over 40 crowd will put up with AM quality, and
it would be a losing proposition from the start.


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SbSw,

"I think it would be cool to have long wave (LW) broadcasters
in the USA. Ten 2 megawatt stations, on 10 frequencies,
evenly spaced across the country would cover the entire
lower 48 day and night."

i like that idea ~ RHF


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