David Eduardo wrote:
"IonSpot" wrote in message
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IBOC will be just another failed attempt to "save" AM radio. AM radio
died decades ago as a viable medium.

I see. then why are two of the top 3 billing stations in San Francisco AM?
In fact, a quarter of the top 100 billing stations in the USA are AM.

Without a survey at hand, I assume you are referring to KQED-FM, KGO,
and KCBS.

The bay area has terrible traffic. There are people who drive with KCBS
on the radio all the time. Makes no sense to me as arely does a traffic
report save my arse. The same goes for KGO, though at least they have
talk also.

Due to the terrain of the bay area, AM stations can be heard in more
places. [It's not the LA basin.] Only KFOG comes to mind with a SF and
south bay simulcast, and the number of boosters is quite small.

Most of the San Franciso FMs can't hit the south bay, but the south bay
is part of the the SF region in the Arbitron, right. Even KSFO can
reach south San Jose.


In 1985 I was in the industry and at that time CQUAM AM Stereo was gonna
save AM Radio. It didn't and IBOC won't.

AM swtereo was supposed to launch in 1978. A nasty old man, Leonard Kahn,
sued to try to get his system approved, and it was 1983 before a decision
was made. By that time, AM had gone form 60% of all listening to 40%, and
there was no chance to revive it. Plus, the early C Quam was not a
particularly good system, especially in cars.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"IonSpot" wrote in message
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IBOC will be just another failed attempt to "save" AM radio. AM radio
died decades ago as a viable medium.

I see. then why are two of the top 3 billing stations in San Francisco
AM?
In fact, a quarter of the top 100 billing stations in the USA are AM.

Without a survey at hand, I assume you are referring to KQED-FM, KGO,
and KCBS.

KQED is not AM, and it does not bill ad revenues (they are non-com). KGO,
KCBS and KNBR are top 10 billers (in fact, they ARE the top 3), and KSFO is
very close to being top 10.

The bay area has terrible traffic. There are people who drive with KCBS
on the radio all the time. Makes no sense to me as arely does a traffic
report save my arse. The same goes for KGO, though at least they have
talk also.

In car listening is only 30% of all radio listening in the market.

Due to the terrain of the bay area, AM stations can be heard in more
places. [It's not the LA basin.] Only KFOG comes to mind with a SF and
south bay simulcast, and the number of boosters is quite small.

SF is a better than average AM market, but so is Chicago... WSCR, WLS, WGN
and WBBM are all top 10 billers. No hills, either. It is about being big
signal stations, not about AM vs. FM.

Most of the San Franciso FMs can't hit the south bay, but the south bay
is part of the the SF region in the Arbitron, right. Even KSFO can
reach south San Jose.

SF metro is Santa Rosa to Campbell.

David Eduardo wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:
"IonSpot" wrote in message
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IBOC will be just another failed attempt to "save" AM radio. AM radio
died decades ago as a viable medium.

I see. then why are two of the top 3 billing stations in San Francisco
AM?
In fact, a quarter of the top 100 billing stations in the USA are AM.

Without a survey at hand, I assume you are referring to KQED-FM, KGO,
and KCBS.

KQED is not AM, and it does not bill ad revenues (they are non-com). KGO,
KCBS and KNBR are top 10 billers (in fact, they ARE the top 3), and KSFO is
very close to being top 10.

AH, maybe that's why I said KQED-FM. Anyway, I missed the AM in your
original post.

The bay area has terrible traffic. There are people who drive with KCBS
on the radio all the time. Makes no sense to me as arely does a traffic
report save my arse. The same goes for KGO, though at least they have
talk also.

In car listening is only 30% of all radio listening in the market.

Again, you play with stats. What is the in-car listening AM market?
After all, it is AM HD everyone on this list wants to stop. It is QRM!

Due to the terrain of the bay area, AM stations can be heard in more
places. [It's not the LA basin.] Only KFOG comes to mind with a SF and
south bay simulcast, and the number of boosters is quite small.

SF is a better than average AM market, but so is Chicago... WSCR, WLS, WGN
and WBBM are all top 10 billers. No hills, either. It is about being big
signal stations, not about AM vs. FM.

Most of the San Franciso FMs can't hit the south bay, but the south bay
is part of the the SF region in the Arbitron, right. Even KSFO can
reach south San Jose.

SF metro is Santa Rosa to Campbell.

On 26 May 2006 19:59:14 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

What's an IBOC?

bob
k5qwg

For One and All,

IBOC - Redefining AM Radio As We Know It :

To properly implement IBOC in the AM Radio Band
both Day and Night would require that AM Radio
Station Service in the USA be reclassified as a
"Local Voice Media Service".

Reduced - The Power of all Major Market AM Radio
Stations down to 25 KW Day and 10 KW Night

Fix - Regional AM Radio Stations at 10 KW Day
and 5 KW Nights

Allow - Local AM Radio Stations to be rated at
2.5 KW Day and 1 KW Nights.

Low Power - Educational, Community and Translator
AM Radio Stations limited to 250 Watts Day and
100 Watts Night.

ok - so it's another stupid idea ~ RHF
.
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On 26 May 2006 19:59:14 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

What's an IBOC?

In Band On Channel digital AM and FM, where a digital audio signal is
transmitted on the same frequency as the analog one, receivable on a radio
equipped to receive the IBOC signal. IBOC was the develpmental name. Google
HD radio and iBiquity, the developer, to read more. There are aboutr 1200 HD
staitons on the air already, covering most of the population of the US
(nearly 80%)

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

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On 26 May 2006 19:59:14 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

What's an IBOC?

In Band On Channel digital AM and FM, where a digital audio signal is
transmitted on the same frequency as the analog one, receivable on a radio
equipped to receive the IBOC signal. IBOC was the develpmental name. Google
HD radio and iBiquity, the developer, to read more. There are aboutr 1200 HD
staitons on the air already, covering most of the population of the US
(nearly 80%)

Are any car manufactures putting IBOC or HD radios in their cars?

I think you mat have already mentioned a brand but what would you
recommend for a home radio.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
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On 26 May 2006 19:59:14 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

What's an IBOC?

In Band On Channel digital AM and FM, where a digital audio signal is
transmitted on the same frequency as the analog one, receivable on a
radio
equipped to receive the IBOC signal. IBOC was the develpmental name.
Google
HD radio and iBiquity, the developer, to read more. There are aboutr 1200
HD
staitons on the air already, covering most of the population of the US
(nearly 80%)

Are any car manufactures putting IBOC or HD radios in their cars?

Yep, BMW starting next year is the first. Ut till a few months (11/05) ago,
there was no design spec for receivers, so that is why there are few today
ant it will grow as we now have the second version of the spec, and furhter
development is being done.

I think you mat have already mentioned a brand but what would you
recommend for a home radio.

None. Wait 90 days for the spec. #2 receivers.

On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:37:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
news On 26 May 2006 19:59:14 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

What's an IBOC?

In Band On Channel digital AM and FM, where a digital audio signal is
transmitted on the same frequency as the analog one, receivable on a
radio
equipped to receive the IBOC signal. IBOC was the develpmental name.
Google
HD radio and iBiquity, the developer, to read more. There are aboutr 1200
HD
staitons on the air already, covering most of the population of the US
(nearly 80%)

Are any car manufactures putting IBOC or HD radios in their cars?

Yep, BMW starting next year is the first. Ut till a few months (11/05) ago,
there was no design spec for receivers, so that is why there are few today
ant it will grow as we now have the second version of the spec, and furhter
development is being done.

I think you mat have already mentioned a brand but what would you
recommend for a home radio.

None. Wait 90 days for the spec. #2 receivers.


I notice C.Crane has a Boston Acoustics HD radio, was $499, reduced to
$299.

bob
k5qwg

DE,

In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) = High Definition "HD" Radio
- What Can We Listen To ? and Listen On ?

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN TO :
Is there a specific website that Lists the current
In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) now being called
High Definition "HD" Radio - AM and FM Radio
Stations by Location, Region, State, etc ?

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN ON :
What-Is-Out-There IBOC {HD} Radio Wise ?
? Automobile HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Car ?
? Home HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Home ?

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog AM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog FM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

-OR- Are AM and FM Radio Stations required to
'always' Broadcast in both Analog and IBOC ?

i want to know ~ RHF

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DE,

In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) = High Definition "HD" Radio
- What Can We Listen To ? and Listen On ?

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN TO :
Is there a specific website that Lists the current
In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) now being called
High Definition "HD" Radio - AM and FM Radio
Stations by Location, Region, State, etc ?

iBiquitey site has a pretty good list.

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN ON :
What-Is-Out-There IBOC {HD} Radio Wise ?
? Automobile HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Car ?
? Home HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Home ?

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog AM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

No mandate. that was the whole idea of IN BAND ON CHANNEL... it is like FM
stereo, and backwards compatible.

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog FM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

Same


-OR- Are AM and FM Radio Stations required to
'always' Broadcast in both Analog and IBOC ?

There is no requirement to broadcast in HD. Many stations will not. time
will tell who is right. Since it is compatible, I see no reason not to.