David,

OK - So I have heard of Rush Limbaugh.
But who is this Mister Ethnic ?) ~ RHF

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David,

OK - So I have heard of Rush Limbaugh.
But who is this Mister Ethnic ?) ~ RHF
.

,-)

Interestingly, the first ethnic AMs go back to the late 40's, with ones like
WDIA (then self-described as "Memphis' race station") and WOV (with a remote
studio en Rome) being among the early ones. As FM became viable in the very
late 60's and early 70's, nobody at first thought that the ethnic audiences
would be FM users... many thought Hispanics and Blacks would not listen
because the radios were too expensive. Today, 5 of the top 10 LA stations
are Hispanic, so I guess they saved up for the radios.

DE,

In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) = High Definition "HD" Radio
- What Can We Listen To ? and Listen On ?

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN TO :
Is there a specific website that Lists the current
In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) now being called
High Definition "HD" Radio - AM and FM Radio
Stations by Location, Region, State, etc ?

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN ON :
What-Is-Out-There IBOC {HD} Radio Wise ?
? Automobile HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Car ?
? Home HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Home ?

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog AM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog FM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

-OR- Are AM and FM Radio Stations required to
'always' Broadcast in both Analog and IBOC ?

i want to know ~ RHF

David Eduardo wrote:
"IonSpot" wrote in message
...
IBOC will be just another failed attempt to "save" AM radio. AM radio
died decades ago as a viable medium.

I see. then why are two of the top 3 billing stations in San Francisco AM?
In fact, a quarter of the top 100 billing stations in the USA are AM.

Without a survey at hand, I assume you are referring to KQED-FM, KGO,
and KCBS.

The bay area has terrible traffic. There are people who drive with KCBS
on the radio all the time. Makes no sense to me as arely does a traffic
report save my arse. The same goes for KGO, though at least they have
talk also.

Due to the terrain of the bay area, AM stations can be heard in more
places. [It's not the LA basin.] Only KFOG comes to mind with a SF and
south bay simulcast, and the number of boosters is quite small.

Most of the San Franciso FMs can't hit the south bay, but the south bay
is part of the the SF region in the Arbitron, right. Even KSFO can
reach south San Jose.


In 1985 I was in the industry and at that time CQUAM AM Stereo was gonna
save AM Radio. It didn't and IBOC won't.

AM swtereo was supposed to launch in 1978. A nasty old man, Leonard Kahn,
sued to try to get his system approved, and it was 1983 before a decision
was made. By that time, AM had gone form 60% of all listening to 40%, and
there was no chance to revive it. Plus, the early C Quam was not a
particularly good system, especially in cars.

David Eduardo wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message
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For One and All,

IBOC - Redefining AM Radio As We Know It :

To properly implement IBOC in the AM Radio Band
both Day and Night would require that AM Radio
Station Service in the USA be reclassified as a
"Local Voice Media Service".

Which, for all practical purposes, it is. Night listening to AM is less than
2% of the population to start with. Night listening beyond the groundwave
contour is restricted to a handful of stations as most US AMs have vastly
reduced night coverage compared ot day coverage. So, there are very few
listening to AM at night and very few stations capable of getting a skywave
outside the local coverage area that is consistently listenable.

I think you should define this "2% of the population" statistic a bit.
Many people have clock radios by their beds and tune into AM at night.
Ever hear of "Coast to Coast AM?".




The FCC has considered stations to be exclusively local for nearly 5
decades.

Reduced - The Power of all Major Market AM Radio
Stations down to 25 KW Day and 10 KW Night

Wrong. In many larger cities, 50 kw is a minimu on anything but the lowest
frequencies to cover the market and overcome the interference level of
computers, dimmers, flourescents, and all manner of other man made
interference.

Your idea neglects the fact that different parts of the AM band have
different coverage for the same power: 50 kw on 1600 covers less than 1 kw
on 540. And it neglects the fact that different parts of the US have vastly
different ground conductivity. 500 watts in Iowa covers better than 50 kw on
Long Island.

Fix - Regional AM Radio Stations at 10 KW Day
and 5 KW Nights

In LA, all but one 5 kw station (KLAC) does not cover the entire market day
or night.

Allow - Local AM Radio Stations to be rated at
2.5 KW Day and 1 KW Nights.

Not enough to cover much of anything at the high end of the dial.

Low Power - Educational, Community and Translator
AM Radio Stations limited to 250 Watts Day and
100 Watts Night.

100 watts today is not usable 2 miles from the transmitter in, let's say,
Florida, above 1200 on the dial.

ok - so it's another stupid idea ~ RHF

Agreed.

On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:37:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
news On 26 May 2006 19:59:14 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:

What's an IBOC?

In Band On Channel digital AM and FM, where a digital audio signal is
transmitted on the same frequency as the analog one, receivable on a
radio
equipped to receive the IBOC signal. IBOC was the develpmental name.
Google
HD radio and iBiquity, the developer, to read more. There are aboutr 1200
HD
staitons on the air already, covering most of the population of the US
(nearly 80%)

Are any car manufactures putting IBOC or HD radios in their cars?

Yep, BMW starting next year is the first. Ut till a few months (11/05) ago,
there was no design spec for receivers, so that is why there are few today
ant it will grow as we now have the second version of the spec, and furhter
development is being done.

I think you mat have already mentioned a brand but what would you
recommend for a home radio.

None. Wait 90 days for the spec. #2 receivers.


I notice C.Crane has a Boston Acoustics HD radio, was $499, reduced to
$299.

bob
k5qwg

"RHF" wrote in message
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DE,

In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) = High Definition "HD" Radio
- What Can We Listen To ? and Listen On ?

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN TO :
Is there a specific website that Lists the current
In-Band-On-Channel (IBOC) now being called
High Definition "HD" Radio - AM and FM Radio
Stations by Location, Region, State, etc ?

iBiquitey site has a pretty good list.

IBOC "HD" RADIO - WHAT CAN WE LISTEN ON :
What-Is-Out-There IBOC {HD} Radio Wise ?
? Automobile HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Car ?
? Home HD {IBOC} AM/FM Stereo Radios ?
- - - Any Warning Don't Buy This One for the Home ?

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog AM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

No mandate. that was the whole idea of IN BAND ON CHANNEL... it is like FM
stereo, and backwards compatible.

When ? - If Ever ? -Is Analog FM Radio mandated
to go away - Year ?

Same


-OR- Are AM and FM Radio Stations required to
'always' Broadcast in both Analog and IBOC ?

There is no requirement to broadcast in HD. Many stations will not. time
will tell who is right. Since it is compatible, I see no reason not to.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"IonSpot" wrote in message
...
IBOC will be just another failed attempt to "save" AM radio. AM radio
died decades ago as a viable medium.

I see. then why are two of the top 3 billing stations in San Francisco
AM?
In fact, a quarter of the top 100 billing stations in the USA are AM.

Without a survey at hand, I assume you are referring to KQED-FM, KGO,
and KCBS.

KQED is not AM, and it does not bill ad revenues (they are non-com). KGO,
KCBS and KNBR are top 10 billers (in fact, they ARE the top 3), and KSFO is
very close to being top 10.

The bay area has terrible traffic. There are people who drive with KCBS
on the radio all the time. Makes no sense to me as arely does a traffic
report save my arse. The same goes for KGO, though at least they have
talk also.

In car listening is only 30% of all radio listening in the market.

Due to the terrain of the bay area, AM stations can be heard in more
places. [It's not the LA basin.] Only KFOG comes to mind with a SF and
south bay simulcast, and the number of boosters is quite small.

SF is a better than average AM market, but so is Chicago... WSCR, WLS, WGN
and WBBM are all top 10 billers. No hills, either. It is about being big
signal stations, not about AM vs. FM.

Most of the San Franciso FMs can't hit the south bay, but the south bay
is part of the the SF region in the Arbitron, right. Even KSFO can
reach south San Jose.

SF metro is Santa Rosa to Campbell.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message
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For One and All,

IBOC - Redefining AM Radio As We Know It :

To properly implement IBOC in the AM Radio Band
both Day and Night would require that AM Radio
Station Service in the USA be reclassified as a
"Local Voice Media Service".

Which, for all practical purposes, it is. Night listening to AM is less
than
2% of the population to start with. Night listening beyond the groundwave
contour is restricted to a handful of stations as most US AMs have vastly
reduced night coverage compared ot day coverage. So, there are very few
listening to AM at night and very few stations capable of getting a
skywave
outside the local coverage area that is consistently listenable.

I think you should define this "2% of the population" statistic a bit.
Many people have clock radios by their beds and tune into AM at night.
Ever hear of "Coast to Coast AM?".

Coast to coast gets a big share of nothing. In overnights, less than 1% of
the population is listening to the radio, and they get, in most markets,
about 10% or less of that.

AM at night gets around a 2 rating. Radio overall about a 7 (7 to Midnight)
A rating point is 1% of the universe. In overnights, the rating is below a 2
for all radio, and below a 0.3 rating for AM.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

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David Eduardo wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message
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For One and All,

IBOC - Redefining AM Radio As We Know It :

To properly implement IBOC in the AM Radio Band
both Day and Night would require that AM Radio
Station Service in the USA be reclassified as a
"Local Voice Media Service".

Which, for all practical purposes, it is. Night listening to AM is less
than
2% of the population to start with. Night listening beyond the
groundwave
contour is restricted to a handful of stations as most US AMs have
vastly
reduced night coverage compared ot day coverage. So, there are very few
listening to AM at night and very few stations capable of getting a
skywave
outside the local coverage area that is consistently listenable.

I think you should define this "2% of the population" statistic a bit.
Many people have clock radios by their beds and tune into AM at night.
Ever hear of "Coast to Coast AM?".

David Eduardo doesn't want to hear about anything or anyone that doesn't
fit into his little world of Arbitron ratings and IBOC hash generators..
he doesn't realize that 2% of the population is still 4,000,000 people and
that we have buying power, too.

You have mis-read. Again. 2% (a 2 rating) is the percent of all 12+ persons
who use AM radio at night. Most of radio night listening (over 80%) is to FM
stations, and nearly 100% of the night (7 to Midnight) AM listening is
inside the city grade groundwave contour of a local station.

Glad you guys think you can throw away 4,000,000 customers nationwide.

Oh, but these are people we DO have. They listen to AM at night, and to
their local stations. Again, there is a barely detectable number of
listeners to AM stations outside the local market in the evening.