"Bob Miller" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 22:37:33 GMT, "David Eduardo"

None. Wait 90 days for the spec. #2 receivers.


I notice C.Crane has a Boston Acoustics HD radio, was $499, reduced to
$299.

And it sucks big time. Wait for the next generation if you are considering
one.

"Steve Stone" wrote in message
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As FM became viable in the very
late 60's and early 70's, ...........

By viable do you mean profitable ?

That is what "viable" in a business means. Very, very few FMs made money
from the first ones pre-W.W. II through the very late 60's. In fact, from
1950 to 1960, total FM count declined by nearly a third.

David Eduardo wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:
"IonSpot" wrote in message
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IBOC will be just another failed attempt to "save" AM radio. AM radio
died decades ago as a viable medium.

I see. then why are two of the top 3 billing stations in San Francisco
AM?
In fact, a quarter of the top 100 billing stations in the USA are AM.

Without a survey at hand, I assume you are referring to KQED-FM, KGO,
and KCBS.

KQED is not AM, and it does not bill ad revenues (they are non-com). KGO,
KCBS and KNBR are top 10 billers (in fact, they ARE the top 3), and KSFO is
very close to being top 10.

AH, maybe that's why I said KQED-FM. Anyway, I missed the AM in your
original post.

The bay area has terrible traffic. There are people who drive with KCBS
on the radio all the time. Makes no sense to me as arely does a traffic
report save my arse. The same goes for KGO, though at least they have
talk also.

In car listening is only 30% of all radio listening in the market.

Again, you play with stats. What is the in-car listening AM market?
After all, it is AM HD everyone on this list wants to stop. It is QRM!

Due to the terrain of the bay area, AM stations can be heard in more
places. [It's not the LA basin.] Only KFOG comes to mind with a SF and
south bay simulcast, and the number of boosters is quite small.

SF is a better than average AM market, but so is Chicago... WSCR, WLS, WGN
and WBBM are all top 10 billers. No hills, either. It is about being big
signal stations, not about AM vs. FM.

Most of the San Franciso FMs can't hit the south bay, but the south bay
is part of the the SF region in the Arbitron, right. Even KSFO can
reach south San Jose.

SF metro is Santa Rosa to Campbell.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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Now there's someone who has hit the nail on the head. This is also the
reason (primary one anyway) why I won't bother buying a DTV.. no matter
how you dress up a pig, all you're gonna get out of it is pig ****.

Of course, don't let it bother your that Steve is simply unhappy that 95% of
the folks are being served nicely and for free, while he is waiting for some
station to serve him personally (although he does not say what is lacking...
he just strikes out at other formats)

Never mind that there are more different formats in every market than there
ever were. He says the opposite.
Never mind that less radio is automated or syndicated than 20 or 30 years
ago.
Never mind that the model for TV is national... yet Steve wants bad local
radio over the best talent America can offer done nationally.
Never mind that Steve says there is no local content. What he means is that
there is content he does not agree with, so it is all bad.

And if you have not watched "old" DVDs on a DTV monitor, you have no idea
what you are missing. Even analog cable looks stunning, and the amount of
HDTV production is increasing rapidly. I've bought 3 HDTV monitors already,
and will eventually replace all of the old ones with HDTV.

Brenda, you are sounding like a Luddite.

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David Eduardo wrote:

The bay area has terrible traffic. There are people who drive with KCBS
on the radio all the time. Makes no sense to me as arely does a traffic
report save my arse. The same goes for KGO, though at least they have
talk also.

In car listening is only 30% of all radio listening in the market.

Again, you play with stats. What is the in-car listening AM market?
After all, it is AM HD everyone on this list wants to stop. It is QRM!

In San Francisco, the AM stations have a 24 share nof in car listening 6 AM
to Midnight. In Morning drive, they have a 25.4% share of all persons
listening to the radio in the car. So SF is actually below the national
average of a 30% share. LA is 31%, NY with lots of public transportaiton,
has a 25% share.

David Frackelton Gleason aka Eduardo once again tried to sell snake oil when he
wrote:

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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Now there's someone who has hit the nail on the head. This is also the
reason (primary one anyway) why I won't bother buying a DTV.. no matter
how you dress up a pig, all you're gonna get out of it is pig ****.

Of course, don't let it bother your that Steve is simply unhappy that 95% of
the folks are being served nicely and for free, while he is waiting for some
station to serve him personally (although he does not say what is lacking...
he just strikes out at other formats)

Never mind that there are more different formats in every market than there
ever were. He says the opposite.
Never mind that less radio is automated or syndicated than 20 or 30 years
ago.
Never mind that the model for TV is national... yet Steve wants bad local
radio over the best talent America can offer done nationally.
Never mind that Steve says there is no local content. What he means is that
there is content he does not agree with, so it is all bad.

And if you have not watched "old" DVDs on a DTV monitor, you have no idea
what you are missing. Even analog cable looks stunning, and the amount of
HDTV production is increasing rapidly. I've bought 3 HDTV monitors already,
and will eventually replace all of the old ones with HDTV.

Brenda, you are sounding like a Luddite.

Actually, she sounds like someone who just isn't buying your bull****, no matter
how nicely you dress up the bull.

Perhaps you should pack up your stand and try to sell your wares in another
forum.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

David Eduardo wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...


Now there's someone who has hit the nail on the head. This is also the
reason (primary one anyway) why I won't bother buying a DTV.. no matter
how you dress up a pig, all you're gonna get out of it is pig ****.

Of course, don't let it bother your that Steve is simply unhappy that 95% of
the folks are being served nicely and for free, while he is waiting for some
station to serve him personally (although he does not say what is lacking...
he just strikes out at other formats)

Never mind that there are more different formats in every market than there
ever were. He says the opposite.
Never mind that less radio is automated or syndicated than 20 or 30 years
ago.
Never mind that the model for TV is national... yet Steve wants bad local
radio over the best talent America can offer done nationally.
Never mind that Steve says there is no local content. What he means is that
there is content he does not agree with, so it is all bad.

And if you have not watched "old" DVDs on a DTV monitor, you have no idea
what you are missing. Even analog cable looks stunning, and the amount of
HDTV production is increasing rapidly. I've bought 3 HDTV monitors already,
and will eventually replace all of the old ones with HDTV.

Brenda, you are sounding like a Luddite.

David, people are sick and tired of radio for money's sake. I dream of
engaging and interesting programming. In other words, programming to
say something, make real art, or an original point of view without focus
groups, or polling data. Do that and the advertisers will start a
bidding war to get a spot on your station.

The most insipid example I can give you of "giving the people what they
want" is the American Idol show. Don't get me wrong, these artists are
talented. But they're highly unoriginal. In other words, they're "safe".

Would Louis Armstrong have a chance in today's radio market? Would Bix
Beiderbeck? How about Jimi Hendrix? Pete Seeger? George Gershwin? I
have to wonder. Many artists believe that they have hit the big time
despite the recording and broadcast industry, not because of it.

The problem is one I've outlined years ago. It's basically a version of
the Heisenberg uncertainty principle applied to marketing. When the
measuring technique affects the thing you measure, you really don't know
what you have. Using polling data and focus groups to determine your
music programming is a self fulfilling process that will guarantee
mediocrity.

As for whether IBOC is a good or a bad thing, I'll say this: AM could
sound good. However, nobody sees fit to purchase a quality receiver to
listen to a better sound. Thus it has been relegated to a secondary
status. And so you can walk away making the point that gosh, the noise
from IBOC doesn't make things that much worse because it already sounds
like crap to most people.

Broadcast AM wouldn't sound like crap if the programming was there to
support the demand for fidelity. It wouldn't sound like crap if people
actually complained about the crummy audio at night from all those lower
power stations. They don't complain, because station owners pay program
directors to generate bland mediocrity that will sell commercials, not
inspire and engage listeners. Nobody cares because there is nothing to
care about.

Having vented my spleen, let me say this to all you folk who think that
nothing can sound better than AM: Get over it. The biggest problem with
MW and SW AM broadcasting is that we don't have a capture effect of any
sort. AM can not have such an effect. But digital modes can clean up
the act considerably. Sorry, Telemon, some bright folks on a few
industry committees will find a reasonable suite of digital standards
some day, and when they do, AM will go the way of morse code. It can't
happen soon enough in my not so humble opinion. You will never convince
me that digital artifacts are worse than heterodyne whistles and
opposite sideband artifacts from a station 10 kHz away.

However, even if such digital standards take hold, nobody will give a
damn as long as the programming sucks. Is it any wonder that both XM
and Sirius are still having difficulties making a profit? Think about it...

Jake Brodsky
AB3A

iboc will kill Radio.y'all can thank them suckers at the fcc for that.
cuhulin

I'm a database analyst by day and I know statistics can be made to say
anything you want them to say, especially if you ask the wrong questions
that reflect what the reviewer wants to hear and not what the public wants
to tell them.

As a typical listener with the typical radio found in Wal-Mart I could get a
single AM station with local sourced programming and as you can tell I am
not fond of that daytimers programming. There are currently no local FM
outlets in my immediate area that are not lights out satellite or microwave
feeds from remote studios.

When I moved to this area 25 years ago there were multiple AM and FM
stations with local sourced programming that served the public interest with
decent local news programs, local interest call in talk shows, lots of
different types of music programming and they alerted the public to local
emergencies and disasters that might impact their listeners. I did not like
all of what I heard but at least I had a choice.

Today the programming in my area is stale. The programming is repetitive and
redundant. The programming does not serve the public interest.

I know I am not going to get you to understand or respect my observations.
I do not expect anyone to agree with me.
The numbers you throw up do not reflect my areas reality.

So what is my solution ?
For AM I throw up a 150 foot wire antenna attached to my Kenwood TS-430S
to catch a few stations with programming I appreciate.
For FM its a deep fringe VHF/UHF roof antenna, mast mount preamp and rotor
to pull worthwhile stations out of the mud, or the XM radio feed provided
with my DirecTV subscription, or if I wish to go back in history I have
converted my entire record and tape collection to CD-R and MP3. This gives
me a collection of popular music that includes my Great Grandfathers Jazz
78's from the 1920's (lateral and vertical cut), my Grandfathers Swing
record collection, my Fathers 1950's record collection and early reel to
reel tapes of variety TV shows of the late 1950s and early 60s, tapes of
early FM Stereo programming, and my own 60's thru 80's record and tape
collection. So I have other choices. Probably more than most of the general
public.

73
Steve
N2UBP

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"Steve Stone" wrote:

I'm a database analyst by day and I know statistics can be made to say
anything you want them to say, especially if you ask the wrong questions
that reflect what the reviewer wants to hear and not what the public wants
to tell them.

I tried making that point a couple months ago, with no affect.
Everyone thinks that any collection of data can be analyzed with a
normal distribution... and it just ain't so.

Likewise, like you say, surveys are often -- perhaps usually --
slanted to return the results they want. My personal experience with
Arbitron left me unimpressed.

The whole radio ratings game is a self-serving, narrow minded exercise
in mutual masturbation. Eventually the listeners will abandon radio
for podcasts, MP3s, email lists to discuss the latest bands, and so
on. Radio can no longer count on its captive audience.

--
Eric F. Richards,
"It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it’s possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it’s unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006