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mike maghakian June 14th 06 01:41 AM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm



Telamon June 14th 06 02:13 AM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
In article ,
"mike maghakian" wrote:

one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post
an opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making
such assertions. In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy
Atkins, there is another source who people should not argue with in
this case. Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm


The E1 specifications and operating features make it out to be a good
receiver. I remember having a favorable impression of it when
information became available about the unit.

A refurb at $399.95 sounds like a good deal.

Brian Hill is getting one soon so I'm sure we will hear about it from
him.

People that are just Trolling for an argument are best Plonked. Some
people are just not worth reading.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Rev. BeerNuts June 14th 06 06:04 AM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"mike maghakian" wrote:


The E1 specifications and operating features make it out to be a good
receiver. I remember having a favorable impression of it when
information became available about the unit.

A refurb at $399.95 sounds like a good deal.


.....anyone who would plunk down $400 plus change
for a 'refurbished' (Chinese made) Eton E1 needs to
have their respective head examined. This radio is NOT the
successor to the Sony 2010 boys and girls.

.....and besides, why on earth would anyone spend this
much cabbage on a short-wave radio when, for the most
part, short-wave broadcasting is chock-full of complete
paranoid whackjobs like Alex Jones, Racist separatists
like 'Pastor' Pete Peters and complete whackjobs like
Brother RG Stair ??

No thanks folks. : ) I'm not gonna spend $400 to buy
a short-wave when every-other-program on the dial
is either some PAYtriot scam artist trying to sell you
outrageously priced 'numismatic' gold coins of dubious
pedigree, carnival sideshow barkers who claim that their
"South Pole Magnetic Charged Water" (..just $29.95 a gallon)
will cure you of everything from baldness to stinky
feet...and of course Rev Billy Bob of the 1st Church of The
Creator in West Bumfrigg, Idaho who says that Jeezus H Christ
was a blond haired/blue eyed Aryan who fathered racially
pure white children via M. Magedeline in France......

Ha Ha Ha!!
-- Gay shlog dein kup en vant!





Brian Hill June 14th 06 12:07 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In oups.com
posted on Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:04:16 -0400, Rev. BeerNuts wrote:

This radio is NOT the
successor to the Sony 2010


Nope, not in the same league, the SW-77 was the successor to the 2010,
but the E1 is waay better than any Sony, I've had all three.

--

Bart


Yep and the specs prove it. It's the first portable who's specs are in
league with a good tabletop.


--

Regards
B.H.

Brian's Basement
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm

Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm



John S. June 14th 06 12:58 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm


Interesting update on that radio, although a quality issue like a
wobbly optical encoder is worrisome on a radio in that price range.
But more to the point just exactly what is a "Pro Opinion" and why
should it be given any more credibility than than the collective
opinions of users on on eham, radiointel, Yahoo or this forum. Also,
because Eton appears to be the single largest advertiser in PBWR
occupying several pages in the version I read, should reviews of their
radios be taken as truly independent?

I would take the well written opinons in PBWR to be just that and
nothing more. They are another source of information about radios but
not THE source.

That said I am impressed by the E1 and am seriously considering buying
one. But my decision will be influenced more by the opinions seen on
fora than one review in PBWR.


[email protected] June 14th 06 01:47 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm



Mikie, Mikie, Mikie - who cares what these guys think, the E1 is not
worth the money, per MY review:

NOTE: Watch out - the batteries blow up, when used with the AC adaptor
!

So, what is the point of plopping down $500 for this radio - there is
not much of interest on shortwave anymore, one can buy a $25 Radio
Shack digital PLL AM/FM radio for AM DXing (THE E1 DOESN'T EVEN HAVE AN
INTERNAL FERRITE-BAR ANTENNA, OR COME WITH A SATELLITE ANTENNA !), and
one can buy a satellite radio for $50, now. Also, after getting $500
in-the-hole, one gets to shell out a monthly fee for satellite radio,
plus an activation fee - a bigger ripoff than cable T.V. !
Evidentually, there are major technical problems with the actual
satellites, so its future is in question !

So, what is the bottom-line ? Well let's see, $500 for the radio,
probably another $100 - $200 for the AM and satellite external
antennas, $9 - $12 monthly fee, and the activation fee. Is this another
blunder by Grundig/Eton/Tecsun, or a total ripoff - I suspect a bit of
both !

This baby, I believe, is assembled in India, while the rest of the
Grundig/Eton/Tecsun junk is made in China. I wonder, if the E1 is as
cheap as, the Grundig S350 ?

This is a copy of a post from gearlog.com (the BBC and "Voice of the
Andes" are now gone from SW, too):

Shortwave Eton E1
Posted by: Larry N.
Monday, October 31, 2005 8:03 PM

David,
I am shocked your would recommend this new radio from Eton.
Honest?, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT?
It does not have Digital Radio Mondale! Who in 2005/2006 would spend
$500.00 for a top of the line portable without it? In few years the
shortwave part of this radio will be useless. DW is leaving analog
shortwave by June 2006. Radio New Zealand by the end of December 2006.

I would hope you would admit your mistake and if not withdrawing your
recommendation at least make note of the lack of Digital Radio Mondale
and why that is important!

73
Larry


AND Mikie, I just read that the major stockholder in XM Satellite Radio
sold off its shares - it may go under ! A pretty receiver (aren't all
the Grundig/Eton/Tecsun junk), that will make a nice FM radio.


[email protected] June 14th 06 01:59 PM

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
 

RHF wrote:
MM,

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio !
-and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E...o/message/3017

Many people 'bashed' the original production of the
Grundig Satellit 800 Millennium Radios for poor quality
-and- Had Valid Issues {Criticism} with the early build
and technical flaws of the Radio.

Today many more consider the Grundig Satellit 800
Millennium Radios to be a very good Shortwave
Program Listening Radios that are enjoyable to
Listen to.

The Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Radios with 'optional'
XM Satellite Radio is 'not perfect' -but- it does fill a
nitch at the High-End of the 'portable' AM / FM Shortwave
Radio market and does offer some interesting features
for the Shortwave Listeners.

It is my humble opinion - that like the Grundig Satellit
800 Millennium Radio "In-Time" the Eton E1 Radio will
earn the respect of Shortwave Listeners (SWLs) for
being good at what it does - in the package of a 'portable'
AM / FM Shortwave Radio.

REVIEWS AND INFO ABOUT :
The Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Receiver
with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio :

* Monitoring Times "First Look" Report / Review
of the Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Receiver
with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.monitoringtimes.com/html/...k-etone1xm.pdf

* eHAM Reviews of the Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave
Receiver with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5353

* Radio Intel .Com Review of the Eton E1 AM / FM
Shortwave Receiver with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone1.htm
-written by- Jay Allen

As For Me - I Am Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio !
-and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)

WANT MORE INFO :
For more Eton E1 Receiver and Grundig Satellit 800 Radio Info :
.
Eton E1 XM AM/FM Shortwave Radio Owner-Users Group on YAHOO !
GROUP = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/
- - - All are Welcome and Invited-to-Join the E1 XM Group.
.
Grundig Satellit 800 Millennium Owner-Users Group on YAHOO !
GROUP = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Satellit800/
- - - All are Welcome and Invited-to-Join the GS800M Group.


e1'ing you all ~ RHF

. . .
.
. .
.
. . . O u t !

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

.
.
. .


Well RHF, if you, "HAVE to think positive about your E1", then you have
started to question your own judgement, and are having to convince
yourself that you made a good decision to buy this over-priced already
out-dated receiver (we all know you didn't). You guys are on the
defensive, reading all the reviews, which is something you should have
done in the first place ! Keep trying to convince yourselves !

HA HA HA !!!

I'm out there and lovin' it !!!


[email protected] June 14th 06 03:25 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

John S. wrote:
Also,
because Eton appears to be the single largest advertiser in PBWR
occupying several pages in the version I read, should reviews of their
radios be taken as truly independent?



Good point, John. I haven't read any reviews that denied that the E1 is
a fine portable. What I have read are reviews that find a flaw here or
there. For example, some have said that the E1 is not as sensitive on
SW as some of the Sony portables, while others have said that the E1
cannot accommodate as much of an antenna as the S800s. These reviews
then go on to assert that the E1 is nevertheless a fine radio.
Overpriced, perhaps, but so are many other portables. However, the
reaction to some E1 boosters to these reviews is bizarre. I'm afraid
that the E1 is taking the place of the S800 as "the portable about
which one is only allowed to speak praise". I even encountered one guy
who refused to believe that the E1 had no internal ferrite antenna. He
insisted that there was an excellent ferrite loop, but Eton had
"reasons" for wanting to deny that it was there. This is sheer
craziness.

You'll never get 100% consensus on any radio. That being the case,
people should be free to voice their opinions without getting trounced
on. And if you like the E1, you should just enjoy it and not feel
defensive. More power to you, I say.

Steve


[email protected] June 14th 06 06:32 PM

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
 

RHF wrote:
GSW - At least you are consistent . . .
You even have a Negative-Spin on Thinking Positive !

glad i am me and not you - smiling and happy ~ RHF
.
.
. .

wrote:
RHF wrote:
MM,

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio !
-and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E...o/message/3017

Many people 'bashed' the original production of the
Grundig Satellit 800 Millennium Radios for poor quality
-and- Had Valid Issues {Criticism} with the early build
and technical flaws of the Radio.

Today many more consider the Grundig Satellit 800
Millennium Radios to be a very good Shortwave
Program Listening Radios that are enjoyable to
Listen to.

The Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Radios with 'optional'
XM Satellite Radio is 'not perfect' -but- it does fill a
nitch at the High-End of the 'portable' AM / FM Shortwave
Radio market and does offer some interesting features
for the Shortwave Listeners.

It is my humble opinion - that like the Grundig Satellit
800 Millennium Radio "In-Time" the Eton E1 Radio will
earn the respect of Shortwave Listeners (SWLs) for
being good at what it does - in the package of a 'portable'
AM / FM Shortwave Radio.

REVIEWS AND INFO ABOUT :
The Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Receiver
with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio :

* Monitoring Times "First Look" Report / Review
of the Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Receiver
with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.monitoringtimes.com/html/...k-etone1xm.pdf

* eHAM Reviews of the Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave
Receiver with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5353

* Radio Intel .Com Review of the Eton E1 AM / FM
Shortwave Receiver with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone1.htm
-written by- Jay Allen

As For Me - I Am Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio !
-and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)

WANT MORE INFO :
For more Eton E1 Receiver and Grundig Satellit 800 Radio Info :
.
Eton E1 XM AM/FM Shortwave Radio Owner-Users Group on YAHOO !
GROUP = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/
- - - All are Welcome and Invited-to-Join the E1 XM Group.
.
Grundig Satellit 800 Millennium Owner-Users Group on YAHOO !
GROUP = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Satellit800/
- - - All are Welcome and Invited-to-Join the GS800M Group.


e1'ing you all ~ RHF

. . .
.
. .
.
. . . O u t !

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm
.
.
. .


Well RHF, if you, "HAVE to think positive about your E1", then you have
started to question your own judgement, and are having to convince
yourself that you made a good decision to buy this over-priced already
out-dated receiver (we all know you didn't). You guys are on the
defensive, reading all the reviews, which is something you should have
done in the first place ! Keep trying to convince yourselves !

HA HA HA !!!

I'm out there and lovin' it !!!


RHF - Actually, I smile everytime I hear one of you suckers have ****ed
away $500+, for this already out-dated receiver ! And what did it get
you ? Nothing ! Got to have, "the latest and greatest" - thinking with
the wrong head ! You know the truth; that is why you always respond
with personal attacks.


[email protected] June 14th 06 06:33 PM

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
 

RHF wrote:
GSW - At least you are consistent . . .
You even have a Negative-Spin on Thinking Positive !

glad i am me and not you - smiling and happy ~ RHF
.
.
. .

wrote:
RHF wrote:
MM,

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio !
-and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E...o/message/3017

Many people 'bashed' the original production of the
Grundig Satellit 800 Millennium Radios for poor quality
-and- Had Valid Issues {Criticism} with the early build
and technical flaws of the Radio.

Today many more consider the Grundig Satellit 800
Millennium Radios to be a very good Shortwave
Program Listening Radios that are enjoyable to
Listen to.

The Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Radios with 'optional'
XM Satellite Radio is 'not perfect' -but- it does fill a
nitch at the High-End of the 'portable' AM / FM Shortwave
Radio market and does offer some interesting features
for the Shortwave Listeners.

It is my humble opinion - that like the Grundig Satellit
800 Millennium Radio "In-Time" the Eton E1 Radio will
earn the respect of Shortwave Listeners (SWLs) for
being good at what it does - in the package of a 'portable'
AM / FM Shortwave Radio.

REVIEWS AND INFO ABOUT :
The Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Receiver
with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio :

* Monitoring Times "First Look" Report / Review
of the Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave Receiver
with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.monitoringtimes.com/html/...k-etone1xm.pdf

* eHAM Reviews of the Eton E1 AM / FM Shortwave
Receiver with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5353

* Radio Intel .Com Review of the Eton E1 AM / FM
Shortwave Receiver with 'opinional' XM Satellite Radio
http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone1.htm
-written by- Jay Allen

As For Me - I Am Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio !
-and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)

WANT MORE INFO :
For more Eton E1 Receiver and Grundig Satellit 800 Radio Info :
.
Eton E1 XM AM/FM Shortwave Radio Owner-Users Group on YAHOO !
GROUP = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/
- - - All are Welcome and Invited-to-Join the E1 XM Group.
.
Grundig Satellit 800 Millennium Owner-Users Group on YAHOO !
GROUP = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Satellit800/
- - - All are Welcome and Invited-to-Join the GS800M Group.


e1'ing you all ~ RHF

. . .
.
. .
.
. . . O u t !

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm
.
.
. .


Well RHF, if you, "HAVE to think positive about your E1", then you have
started to question your own judgement, and are having to convince
yourself that you made a good decision to buy this over-priced already
out-dated receiver (we all know you didn't). You guys are on the
defensive, reading all the reviews, which is something you should have
done in the first place ! Keep trying to convince yourselves !

HA HA HA !!!

I'm out there and lovin' it !!!


RHF - Actually, I smile everytime I hear one of you suckers have ****ed
away $500+, for this already out-dated receiver ! And what did it get
you ? Nothing ! Got to have, "the latest and greatest" - thinking with
the wrong head ! You know the truth; that is why you always respond
with personal attacks.


Joe Analssandrini June 14th 06 08:01 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
Dear Mike,

You are quite correct in your assertions. I myself have been impressed
by the specifications of the Eton E1. However, I have not bought one
and do not plan to buy one in the near future for the following
reasons:

It has no MW Ferrite antenna. This, I understand, is due to digital
"hash" that cannot be corrected and would be picked up by such an
antenna.

It has no handle nor is there any easy or convenient way of adding one
to the radio.

Those two points are significant to me but relatively minor. The major
problem I have is:

It does not feature DRM, DAB (Canadian or European), or IBOC. (I
personally have no interest in any form of "pay" radio. In my opinion
it is only a matter of time before advertisements become common on
virtually all "satellite" radio channels and the listener will STILL be
paying month after month for this "service!" After all, look at the
cable-TV model where this has already happened.)

But I digress. In other words, in my opinion, the Eton E1 actually
breaks no new ground. Its specifications, extremely good, nevertheless
appear to show that the radio will peform just about the same as the
Grundig Satellit 800. (And regardless of what anyone tells you, the
Satellit 800, again extremely good, is not at all in the same league
as, say, the Drake R8B, the JRC NRD545, or the AOR AR7030 Plus. This,
by inference, would also apply to the E1 which does, however, offer far
better performance VALUE for money than do the tabletops mentioned.)

I am waiting to see if Degen introduces their rumored new model the
DE-1108 and if it does feature the newer modes of reception as well as
offering superb performance.

However, I do understand, from owners, that the E1 is a good and
satisfying set and that, if one does not already own a radio of this
caliber, the E1, with all its "faults," is a good one to buy. After
all, there has never been nor is there ever likely to be a "perfect"
shortwave radio. And Eton has always been a very customer-centric
company, offering superb service before and after the sale.

Should Degen's proposed new radio not live up to expectations, there
may be a new Eton E1 in my future, after all.

Best,

Joe

P.S. Some people here have "complained" that Eton advertises heavily in
PASSPORT TO WORLD BAND RADIO and this somehow makes pASSPORT's reviews
"suspect." One need only READ many of the reviews of Eton/Grundig
radios in PASSPORT to see that this "suspicion" is absolutely
groundless. PASSPORT "calls 'em as they see 'em." PASSPORT is
DEFINITELY the best SW review source we have and should be supported by
all of us here, at least in my opinion. No one else tests SW radios in
their own laboratories and prints their findings (and, as readers know,
they often differ from manufacturers' own published specifications).
And if Eton is a big advertiser, I say MORE POWER TO THEM! What OTHER
company supports the shortwave listener the way Eton does?

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can post an
opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for making such
assertions.
In addition to people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case.
Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm



Telamon June 14th 06 08:54 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
In article .com,
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote:

P.S. Some people here have "complained" that Eton advertises heavily
in PASSPORT TO WORLD BAND RADIO and this somehow makes pASSPORT's
reviews "suspect." One need only READ many of the reviews of
Eton/Grundig radios in PASSPORT to see that this "suspicion" is
absolutely groundless. PASSPORT "calls 'em as they see 'em." PASSPORT
is DEFINITELY the best SW review source we have and should be
supported by all of us here, at least in my opinion. No one else
tests SW radios in their own laboratories and prints their findings
(and, as readers know, they often differ from manufacturers' own
published specifications). And if Eton is a big advertiser, I say
MORE POWER TO THEM! What OTHER company supports the shortwave
listener the way Eton does?

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can
post an opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for
making such assertions. In addition to people who are intelligent
like Guy Atkins, there is another source who people should not
argue with in this case. Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1
is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm


Dear Mike,

You are quite correct in your assertions. I myself have been
impressed by the specifications of the Eton E1. However, I have not
bought one and do not plan to buy one in the near future for the
following reasons:

It has no MW Ferrite antenna. This, I understand, is due to digital
"hash" that cannot be corrected and would be picked up by such an
antenna.

It has no handle nor is there any easy or convenient way of adding
one to the radio.

Those two points are significant to me but relatively minor. The
major problem I have is:

It does not feature DRM, DAB (Canadian or European), or IBOC. (I
personally have no interest in any form of "pay" radio. In my opinion
it is only a matter of time before advertisements become common on
virtually all "satellite" radio channels and the listener will STILL
be paying month after month for this "service!" After all, look at
the cable-TV model where this has already happened.)

But I digress. In other words, in my opinion, the Eton E1 actually
breaks no new ground. Its specifications, extremely good,
nevertheless appear to show that the radio will peform just about the
same as the Grundig Satellit 800. (And regardless of what anyone
tells you, the Satellit 800, again extremely good, is not at all in
the same league as, say, the Drake R8B, the JRC NRD545, or the AOR
AR7030 Plus. This, by inference, would also apply to the E1 which
does, however, offer far better performance VALUE for money than do
the tabletops mentioned.)

I am waiting to see if Degen introduces their rumored new model the
DE-1108 and if it does feature the newer modes of reception as well
as offering superb performance.

However, I do understand, from owners, that the E1 is a good and
satisfying set and that, if one does not already own a radio of this
caliber, the E1, with all its "faults," is a good one to buy. After
all, there has never been nor is there ever likely to be a "perfect"
shortwave radio. And Eton has always been a very customer-centric
company, offering superb service before and after the sale.

Should Degen's proposed new radio not live up to expectations, there
may be a new Eton E1 in my future, after all.


The other radios you mention do not have built in antennas of any sort.

The E1 is designed as a portable radio.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David June 14th 06 09:14 PM

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
 
On 14 Jun 2006 10:32:41 -0700, wrote:


RHF - Actually, I smile everytime I hear one of you suckers have ****ed
away $500+, for this already out-dated receiver ! And what did it get
you ? Nothing ! Got to have, "the latest and greatest" - thinking with
the wrong head ! You know the truth; that is why you always respond
with personal attacks.


Were youput on the Earth to save us from ouselves or what?

The E1XM is a fine looking unit, has very nice tactile attributes and
ergonomics, and performs better than 99.99% of the stuff that's out
there. Better even than it's semiprogenitor the SW8, which cost more,
had more bobos, and which still has a substantial cult following.

Don't knock success too often; makes you appear bitter.


Telamon June 14th 06 09:15 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
In article . com,
"John S." wrote:

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole can
post an opinion on the E1 even though he has no qualifications for
making such assertions. In addition to people who are intelligent
like Guy Atkins, there is another source who people should not
argue with in this case. Dave Z and Larry Magne both assert the E1
is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm


Interesting update on that radio, although a quality issue like a
wobbly optical encoder is worrisome on a radio in that price range.
But more to the point just exactly what is a "Pro Opinion" and why
should it be given any more credibility than than the collective
opinions of users on on eham, radiointel, Yahoo or this forum. Also,
because Eton appears to be the single largest advertiser in PBWR
occupying several pages in the version I read, should reviews of
their radios be taken as truly independent?

I would take the well written opinons in PBWR to be just that and
nothing more. They are another source of information about radios
but not THE source.

That said I am impressed by the E1 and am seriously considering
buying one. But my decision will be influenced more by the opinions
seen on fora than one review in PBWR.


The Pro opinion stems from the fact that they have test equipment and
the experience to make the measurements comparing the performance
against other radios.

You get the unvarnished good and bad from PBWR AND a relative feature
comparison to other radios in its class.

The opinions in PBWR are generated from a panel of people not just one
person so reading it gives you a broader perspective then you get from
a persons personal review. An example is that a noise blanker may not
work on the type of noise around one persons residence where the other
people on the panel had no problems. This will be reported in the
review.

I think PBWR is a great place to start for reviews of a radio comparing
it to others in it class and to then follow it up with reviews on the
Internet that you mentioned.

Obviously you need to weed out the nut case opinions. Some people just
do not make sense like using the incorrect bandwidth for a mode and
then reporting the sound is muddy as an example of a worthless opinion.
If you read an opinion that states you need to spend days with a radio
to learn how to use it to get the most out of it should be a good
warning sign that it is not a good review as there are a small set of
interacting controls and it only takes a minute to go through all the
permutations of adjustments.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David June 15th 06 04:19 AM

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
 
On 14 Jun 2006 14:51:01 -0700, wrote:



Yea, "it's fine looking", just like all the Grundig/Eton receivers,
but that's it. I really wonder, if the E1's performance, over a $150
Sony 7600GR, would be worth justifying an additional $350 - I'm sure
not ! You all are not getting nearly your moneys worth !
Yes, I was put here to keep all you "ham shackers", from ****ing it all
down the toilet ! But we must have the, "latest and greatest", even
though it will be useless in a few years ! Not my problem ! Remember,
you need to have some extra cash to buy those Star Wars uniforms for
the next convention !

Sony's are mass market hit and miss QC overrated plastic crap shoots.

Eton is a shortwave niche manufacturer who cares. The Sony lacks IF
shift, multiple bandwidths, meaningful tone controls, a decent audio
amplifier, and most of all... CLASS.


Telamon June 15th 06 05:01 AM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
In article .com,
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote:


In article .com,
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote:

P.S. Some people here have "complained" that Eton advertises
heavily in PASSPORT TO WORLD BAND RADIO and this somehow makes
pASSPORT's reviews "suspect." One need only READ many of the
reviews of Eton/Grundig radios in PASSPORT to see that this
"suspicion" is absolutely groundless. PASSPORT "calls 'em as they
see 'em." PASSPORT is DEFINITELY the best SW review source we
have and should be supported by all of us here, at least in my
opinion. No one else tests SW radios in their own laboratories
and prints their findings (and, as readers know, they often
differ from manufacturers' own published specifications). And if
Eton is a big advertiser, I say MORE POWER TO THEM! What OTHER
company supports the shortwave listener the way Eton does?

mike maghakian wrote:
one of the disadvantages of the internet is that any asshole
can post an opinion on the E1 even though he has no
qualifications for making such assertions. In addition to
people who are intelligent like Guy Atkins, there is another
source who people should not argue with in this case. Dave Z
and Larry Magne both assert the E1 is outstanding !

read this: http://passband.com/pages/receivernews.htm

Dear Mike,

You are quite correct in your assertions. I myself have been
impressed by the specifications of the Eton E1. However, I have
not bought one and do not plan to buy one in the near future for
the following reasons:

It has no MW Ferrite antenna. This, I understand, is due to
digital "hash" that cannot be corrected and would be picked up by
such an antenna.

It has no handle nor is there any easy or convenient way of
adding one to the radio.

Those two points are significant to me but relatively minor. The
major problem I have is:

It does not feature DRM, DAB (Canadian or European), or IBOC. (I
personally have no interest in any form of "pay" radio. In my
opinion it is only a matter of time before advertisements become
common on virtually all "satellite" radio channels and the
listener will STILL be paying month after month for this
"service!" After all, look at the cable-TV model where this has
already happened.)

But I digress. In other words, in my opinion, the Eton E1
actually breaks no new ground. Its specifications, extremely
good, nevertheless appear to show that the radio will peform just
about the same as the Grundig Satellit 800. (And regardless of
what anyone tells you, the Satellit 800, again extremely good, is
not at all in the same league as, say, the Drake R8B, the JRC
NRD545, or the AOR AR7030 Plus. This, by inference, would also
apply to the E1 which does, however, offer far better performance
VALUE for money than do the tabletops mentioned.)

I am waiting to see if Degen introduces their rumored new model
the DE-1108 and if it does feature the newer modes of reception
as well as offering superb performance.

However, I do understand, from owners, that the E1 is a good and
satisfying set and that, if one does not already own a radio of
this caliber, the E1, with all its "faults," is a good one to
buy. After all, there has never been nor is there ever likely to
be a "perfect" shortwave radio. And Eton has always been a very
customer-centric company, offering superb service before and
after the sale.

Should Degen's proposed new radio not live up to expectations,
there may be a new Eton E1 in my future, after all.


Telamon wrote:

The other radios you mention do not have built in antennas of any
sort.

The E1 is designed as a portable radio.

Dear Telamon,

I'm not sure I follow you. The E1 IS a portable and it is a portable
without a built-in ferrite antenna for MW. This makes little sense to
me. (Why couldn't they have fixed the digital "hash" which would
evidently plague such an antenna in this radio?) The Grundig Satellit
800 DOES have a ferrite MW antenna. (Naturally the tabletop radios I
mentioned do not have one, those radios being designed for use with
significant external antennas on all bands).

If you read PASSPORT's latest "Receiver News" on their website, you
will see (in their June 6 post) that "the E1 is being seriously
treated by certain cognoscenti as a viable alternative, rather than
complement, to pricey tabletop supersets. (Lawrence Magne)."

I feel that, based on my experience with the Grundig Satellit 800
(which has similar specifications), the E1 has certain shortcomings
which, though perhaps minor to most, are somewhat important to me. I
would like to have a good portable SW receiver in the mid-size (about
12" wide) range. Right now I have my doubts about the E1 (of course I
could be totally wrong) and am waiting to see if Degen does, in fact,
offer a competitive radio with more advanced reception features.

But, if they do not, I may at some future time buy an E1. We'll see.

By the way, your comments on PASSPORT are right on the money. I wish
we could convince the "nay-sayers" on this group, many of whom seem
to want to gripe for gripe's sake (my opinion). That book as well as
the WRTH are darn-near essential for the best enjoyment of this hobby
(my opinion, again).


Size and portability put increasing demands on the design. Going from
table top with unlimited power to a portable that draws from batteries
and smaller size puts more constraints on what you can do with the
design. Smaller generally means fewer features and not as great a
dynamic range as an example. However these factors can be overcome by
spending more money on the design.

You usually put a radio in a class and compare it to other radios in its
class. The E1 cost more than other portables but not as much as the
table top radios and it straddles these categories. I just think it is
an unfair comparison between it and the table top radios as much as it
is to compare it to smaller less costly radios.

Comparing the E1 to the Satellite 800 or Sony ICF-SW777 are fair
comparisons. They are all portables and in a same price range.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF June 15th 06 08:37 AM

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
 
GSW - Ah Yes ! - A Really Happy 'simpleton' - I Be :o)

Don't Worry - Be Happy ! :o)
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/dontworry.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Worry,_Be_Happy

gsw judging by your writing and tenor are a sad sad case ~ RHF

[email protected] June 15th 06 05:24 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
I have no complaints with people spending their money for whatever
radio,or radios.After all,it is their money.A Chevrolet is better than a
Rolls Royce and Mercedes Benz,in my opinion.

Amazing things can,and are being created nowdays with new technology.
Do a search for, boingboing Complete Radar on a chip
cuhulin


[email protected] June 15th 06 05:31 PM

Thinking Positive About"My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoy...
 
It was me that asked niehs to add Dixie to their song list,about six
years ago.I also asked robokopp to add Dixie.I got an email reply from
robokopp,they said the Dixie song wasen't old enough.
cuhulin


David June 15th 06 06:10 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:24:02 -0500, wrote:

I have no complaints with people spending their money for whatever
radio,or radios.After all,it is their money.A Chevrolet is better than a
Rolls Royce and Mercedes Benz,in my opinion.

Amazing things can,and are being created nowdays with new technology.
Do a search for, boingboing Complete Radar on a chip
cuhulin

Technology peaked in the '70s. It's now doing more harm than good
(with the possible exception of medicine).


[email protected] June 15th 06 06:15 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
JT and Dave have a button on their keyboards.Sometimes after a station
break they will hit that button/key and a voice says,I dont listen to
Rush Limbaugh anymore.There are a couple of lunatics on the FM Superalk
radio station I like better.
www.supertalkms.com
cuhulin


David June 16th 06 10:50 PM

Thinking Positive About "My" Eton E1 Radio ! -and- Simply Enjoying the Listening Experience :o)
 
On 16 Jun 2006 12:49:05 -0700, wrote:



So, you pay for CLASS ? You must have an Eaton E10, with the damn
IF-shift. Do you know why your radio has that switch ? Your cheap E10
is a single-conversion unit, that needs that switch to help avoid
images. You could have spent much less and purchased a Degen 1103,
with dual-conversion and SSB, both which the E10 lacks. The Sony
7600GR's quality is rated much higher, than the cheap Chinese-made
Eton/Grundig plastic boxes - just look at the piece of **** S350 ! In
an interview, Grundig/Eton admitted to jacking up their prices for SW
receivers, because people do not know what is really involved in SW.
Oh, and you call that CLASS ? A reviewer on Amazon, who bought the real
piece of cheap **** "Porsche" model Grundig radio, called Grundig and
they admitted their quality and company are "going down the toilet".
There hasn't been a really decent quality receiver since the DX-440.
You think Eton "cares" - what a joke !

Nobody around here sells Degens. I'll probably buy one some day, just
the same.

The E1XM is made in India, in a defense plant.

Sony makes crap. It's junk. The 2010's front-end goes deaf if you
look at it wrong. The sidebands are completely unmatched in the
7600G. They haven't made a decent radio since the 7601.

Why do you keep saying ''Grundig''?

Why are you so obsessed?


m II June 17th 06 05:53 AM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
David wrote:

Technology peaked in the '70s. It's now doing more harm than good
(with the possible exception of medicine).



We have no way of knowing if it's peaked or not. A new 'keystone'
discovery may change things overnight. The 'peaked' statement is
reminiscent of the falsely attributed "Everything that can be invented,
has been" quote..



mike

Brian Hill June 17th 06 06:34 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

wrote in message

And you should have stopped at marijuana, but you just had to move on
to heroin, didn't you?


I watched a heroin addict cut his fingers off with skillsaw once. All he
said was " I think I ****ed up this time!" Then he went limp and fell flat
on his ass.

BH



David June 17th 06 06:50 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:34:20 -0500, "Brian Hill" wrote:


wrote in message

And you should have stopped at marijuana, but you just had to move on
to heroin, didn't you?


I watched a heroin addict cut his fingers off with skillsaw once. All he
said was " I think I ****ed up this time!" Then he went limp and fell flat
on his ass.

BH

And what did you do then?


Brian Hill June 17th 06 06:56 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:34:20 -0500, "Brian Hill" wrote:


wrote in message

And you should have stopped at marijuana, but you just had to move on
to heroin, didn't you?


I watched a heroin addict cut his fingers off with skillsaw once. All he
said was " I think I ****ed up this time!" Then he went limp and fell flat
on his ass.

BH

And what did you do then?


We wrapped his hand in a clean shirt, called 911 and picked up his fingers
or what was left of them.

BH




Brian Hill June 17th 06 06:57 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 

"David" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:34:20 -0500, "Brian Hill" wrote:


wrote in message

And you should have stopped at marijuana, but you just had to move on
to heroin, didn't you?


I watched a heroin addict cut his fingers off with skillsaw once. All he
said was " I think I ****ed up this time!" Then he went limp and fell flat
on his ass.

BH

And what did you do then?


We wrapped his hand in a clean shirt, called 911 and picked up his fingers
or what was left of them.

BH





[email protected] June 17th 06 07:27 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
I like it when them crazies shoot nails all over in themselves with them
nail guns.
cuhulin


[email protected] June 17th 06 07:34 PM

pro opinion on the Eton E1
 
An ex black girlfriend once ''workerd'' on mine,she changed ''it'' up
somewhat, three holed ''sprinkler'' and tattooed,but she didn't cut
''it'' off.
cuhulin



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