If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

On 17 Jul 2006 20:00:37 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:


Al Klein wrote:
On 17 Jul 2006 17:16:10 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Slow Code wrote:

Ham radio is drowning and the anti-code hams want us to think tossing it
bricks will make it float better. Dumbing things down is never an
improvement.

nobody is talking about dummbing anything down

Eliminating a requirement is dumbing things down.
bull****
But no one would
expect you to be able to understand that.
you mean be fooled by that lie

you are
indeed you advocate dummbing down radio and giving hf only to the
unintelgent

That's YOUR stance - giving HF to those not intelligent enough to
actually learn things.
nope
I want to give it those that can show the brains to ass a written
idealy an improved written test

you want to keep a frat house game in place

but you favor dishonesty

Are you using English?

I can't understand what you are saying.

Please go back to Third Grade and learn how to express yourself.
(Plonk)

Warren

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that persondie?
 

Brian Denley wrote:

SNIPPED

BTW film is seeing it's last days too. Ask Kodak!


I use a digital for my family memories type shooting.

I use FUJI roll film in 120 size for my serious MF work. It is either Fuji
VELVIA for transparencies or NPH for formal portraits.

In either case, digital or film, they have nothing to do with ham radio in
general or CW in particular.

CW is!

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

On 18 Jul 2006 14:01:07 -0700, "Koikus"
wrote:

I want to give it those that can show the brains to ass a written
idealy an improved written test

you want to keep a frat house game in place

but you favor dishonesty

. -.. --- -. - --. . - .. - . .. - .... . .-.

Neither does anyone else, once you destroy the attributions.

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

a thread related not

I thought Id mention that one of the things that was overlooked in the
Titantic disccusion is the CW was not invovled it was spark gap used in
that Morse encoded spark

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

"Koikus" wrote in
oups.com:



I want to give it those that can show the brains to ass a written
idealy an improved written test

you want to keep a frat house game in place

but you favor dishonesty

. -.. --- -. - --. . - .. - . .. - .... . .-.



You just gave him another headache, Shame on you.

Sc

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

Slow Code wrote:
"Koikus" wrote in
oups.com:


. -.. --- -. - --. . - .. - . .. - .... . .-.



You just gave him another headache, Shame on you.
not realy I did not listen to the "transmision"


Sc

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and-Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

RHF wrote:
SC,

Morris Code
uh, it's Morse Code...after Samuel Morse who invented it

(and, of course, everyone knows Joshua T. Semaphore)

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and-Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

jawod wrote:

RHF wrote:

SC,

Morris Code

uh, it's Morse Code...after Samuel Morse who invented it

(and, of course, everyone knows Joshua T. Semaphore)


Actually the Code that Sam developed is completely unlike the code we
use on radio. What is tested for is the "International Morse Code"
Sam's code was click based and radio is beep based.

Dave WD9BDZ

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

jawod - Oops ! - You Are Right ~RHF

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

I thought Id mention that one of the things that was overlooked in the
Titantic disccusion is the CW was not invovled it was spark gap used in
that Morse encoded spark


Actually that is not correct.
Within the original meaning of CW, the Titanic used a CW transmitter.
It was not a spark transmitter, the rf energy was produced by an alternator
which provided 'continuous' rf power, hence CW. The output was not a damped
wave that a spark transmitter would produce, but an interrupted 'continuous
wave' (from the alternator).

Regards
Jeff

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and-Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Like your link says, it's MORSE code, as in Samuel F. B. Morse. Who's
Morris?

Scott


RHF wrote:

SC,

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission
-and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
- - - The Times They Are A Changing !

While I can admire and respect an Amateur {HAM} Radio Operator
for Mastering Morris Code (CW).

Morris Code in and of itself does not define the Amateur Radio Service.


Morris Code
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code

Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission 'process' in
and of itself does not define the Amateur Radio Service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_wave

The Amateur Radio Service is Greater than both Morris Code
and Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission - IMHO ~ RHF

Boy Scout Merit Badge Requirements - "RADIO"
http://www.meritbadge.com/mb/093.htm
At one time when I was a very young boy nd a Boy Scout
I Learned to Send and Receive Morris Code at about 5WPM
-but- Then I also learned to use Flags to Send Hand-Flag
"Semaphore" Signals Too !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_(communication)
Neither the ability to use Morris Code or the Semaphone
Flags to Communicate 'defined' Being A Boy Scout.


just an old boy scout at heart ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Slow Code wrote:

(Fred McKenzie) wrote in
:


In article , "Alun L.
Palmer" wrote:


Assuming some weird contrived scenario where I had the equipment to
send CW but not phone, it would depend what frequencies it worked on.

I think this is the nature of the premise on which the original post was
based.

Compare it to a similar situation, where a film camera user is debating
a digital camera user:

"If you came upon a drowning man, and you had to choose whether to save
him or photograph his demise, what kind of film would you use?"


Getting rid of CW is like choosing the kind of film.

Ham radio is drowning and the anti-code hams want us to think tossing it
bricks will make it float better. Dumbing things down is never an
improvement.

SC

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and-Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

David G. Nagel wrote:
Actually the Code that Sam developed is completely unlike the code we
use on radio. What is tested for is the "International Morse Code"
Sam's code was click based and radio is beep based.

Sam's original equipment used ink and scrolling paper to
record the dots and dashes because he didn't think an
ordinary human being could distinguish between the sound
of the dots and the sound of the dashes. He was wrong.
Human operators quickly discovered that they could distinguish
the difference between the down clicks and up clicks and
therefore distinguish the dots from the dashes.

It is true that Sam's "American" Morse was different from
"International" Morse in about a dozen characters but both
used dots and dashes. Still, more characters were alike
than were different.

The term "lid" may have originated from newbie Morse operators
laying a lid on top of the relay receiver to make it easier to
distinguish the dots from the dashes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:
David G. Nagel wrote:
Actually the Code that Sam developed is completely unlike the code we
use on radio. What is tested for is the "International Morse Code"
Sam's code was click based and radio is beep based.

Sam's original equipment used ink and scrolling paper to
record the dots and dashes because he didn't think an
ordinary human being could distinguish between the sound
of the dots and the sound of the dashes. He was wrong.
Human operators quickly discovered that they could distinguish
the difference between the down clicks and up clicks and
therefore distinguish the dots from the dashes.
oridinary humans HMM is it realy proven that ordinary human can do it
by ear Cecil or merely proven that enough to man the telagraphs of the
day could do so?

If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?
 

On 18 Jul 2006 15:07:01 -0700, "an old freind"
wrote:

a thread related not

I thought Id mention that one of the things that was overlooked in the
Titantic disccusion is the CW was not invovled it was spark gap used in
that Morse encoded spark

For the duration of a dash, spark is CW. Maybe slightly damped, but
still CW.

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:48:14 +0000, Scott
wrote:

Like your link says, it's MORSE code, as in Samuel F. B. Morse. Who's
Morris?

Morris is also known as C. W. Katt.

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Telamon wrote in
:

He is a Troll that creates endless cross posted threads about CW to
radio listening and scanner news groups.


SWL's should learn CW too.

You never know when you might stumple across a station in distress sending
an SOS and you might be the only one that hears it and can get help.

But it seems all SWL's want to do is sit around like blobs all day long
and tell themselves their cheap plastic Etons and Grundigs sound good.
They don't want radio skills if it takes a little work to learn them.

I'm guessing that's why Telamon hates CW and ham radio as well. Laziness.

SC

Morse Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Slow Code wrote:
Telamon wrote in
:

He is a Troll that creates endless cross posted threads about CW to
radio listening and scanner news groups.


SWL's should learn CW too.

You never know when you might stumple across a station in distress sending
an SOS and you might be the only one that hears it and can get help.
who would be sbe equiped to send such an SOS SC? you want to imporve
the toene of NG

get off your ass and stop troling looking for a fight

bless you and grant new mental health to you

soon

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Slow Code wrote:
SWL's should learn CW too.
You never know when you might stumple across a station in distress sending
an SOS and you might be the only one that hears it and can get help.

SWL's normally listen to AM stations.
How would they hear a CW station?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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an old freind wrote:

CW gets through no matter what AM FM XM TV IBOC no matter the mode cw
gets trough even without a tranmitter for that vital signal SOS


You have, what we call in the midwest, a MORON CHIP problem.

The part of your brain that keeps you from being a total moron, is broken.

tom
K0TAR

Morse Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Tom Ring wrote:
an old freind wrote:

CW gets through no matter what AM FM XM TV IBOC no matter the mode cw
gets trough even without a tranmitter for that vital signal SOS


You have, what we call in the midwest, a MORON CHIP problem.

The part of your brain that keeps you from being a total moron, is broken.
Frankly I thining it is you that is missing something, asence of humor.
I tend to supect form your posts it was surgiccaly removed at some
point

tom
K0TAR

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RHF wrote:
an old freind wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
SWL's should learn CW too.
You never know when you might stumple across a station in distress sending
an SOS and you might be the only one that hears it and can get help.

SWL's normally listen to AM stations.
How would they hear a CW station?

- CW gets through no matter what AM FM XM TV IBOC
- no matter the mode cw gets trough even without a tranmitter
- for that vital signal SOS
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

aof - not if no one is listening ~ RHF
{ radio - it's about communicating }
no you are worng CW gets through wether you to hear or not (prehaps I
should say sarcasm on)

Morse Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:36:03 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

So now amateurs and SWL's should be Morse code proficient
not only using tones but using the swishing sound made when
a BFO is not present?

If you can copy CW, you can copy CW. The tone it's coming in with
doesn't make much difference. I've copied signals so weak that they
were just changes in the quality of the noise and I've copied perfect
S9++T9 signals. They were all mostly R9. The R only changes if the
signal fades completely out or if there's interference that masks the
signal. Try that with PSK.

Morse Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and-Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Al Klein wrote:
If you can copy CW, you can copy CW.

I can copy CW, but I cannot copy CW when the receiver
is in AM mode and there's no CW tone. I'm glad you're
that good but I am not.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
et...
Al Klein wrote:
If you can copy CW, you can copy CW.

I can copy CW, but I cannot copy CW when the receiver
is in AM mode and there's no CW tone. I'm glad you're
that good but I am not.
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

I am not good at code but I can do it. You just listen to the rhythm.

Dee, N8UZE

Morse Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Dee Flint wrote:

I am not good at code but I can do it. You just listen to the rhythm.
your point ? if any Dee

Dee, N8UZE

Why Should Only White Males "Know" CW ? ? ? - Women and Minorities Need CW Too ! ! !
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
You can hear the change in noise as a carrier goes on and off. It's
extremely difficult to copy high speed CW like that if the signal is
strong, but a weak signal or slower CW is just as easy to copy as
noise as it is to copy as a pure tone. T1 doesn't mean uncopyable, it
just means ragged tone.

So now amateurs and SWL's should be Morse code proficient
not only using tones but using the swishing sound made when
a BFO is not present?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

CM,

OK - Lets make "CW" 5 WPM a High School Graduation Requirement
and Start the Nation-Wide Testing of Every Child at Every Grade Level
to Ensure that Our Kids Know "CW" ! ! !

We can call it the Uniform Education "Code" {CW} Law -and-
Require that No Child Is Left Behind the "CW" Learning Curve !

Why should only White Males 'know' CW ? ? ?
Equality Demands that Women and Minorities "Know" CW Too ! ! !
- - - We need an Urgent National Federally Funded Program
to Close the "CW" Gap [.]

oops - am i ranting ? ? ? . . . oh never mind ! ~ RHF

Morse Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Cecil Moore wrote in
.net:

Slow Code wrote:
SWL's should learn CW too.
You never know when you might stumple across a station in distress
sending an SOS and you might be the only one that hears it and can get
help.

SWL's normally listen to AM stations.
How would they hear a CW station?


Many SWL's are Ute listeners. They are the ones most likely to stumble
across an SOS.

Just like a person isn't a real ham unless they've passed a code test, a
shortwave listener isn't a real SWL unless their receiver has a BFO.

(SWL's who listen to shortwave with antique receivers are exempt.)

SC

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"an_old_friend" wrote in
ups.com:


Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:31:02 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

How does a deaf person do that?

How does a blind person read the computer screen?
he does not

which of course has nothing to do with the matter at hand somethat
would easy to sow were to have the slightest intelectual hoestly but no
you hacked evverything away


You friggen lost it. There's no way you could have passed the written,
let alone CW.

May the lord bless and grant us peace from the mental illness that traps
you by pulling the plug on your internet.

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

The term "lid" may have originated from newbie Morse operators
laying a lid on top of the relay receiver to make it easier to
distinguish the dots from the dashes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

My mother told me stories of learning morse code this way when she worked
for the railroad. She then taught me morse code this way. For twenty yeasrs
after that I always wanted to be a ham and finally got m ylicense at about
age 35. I was fairly active for about 8 years and pretty much lost interest
when my daughter was born. In the last couple of years I have been
sporatially interested again but their alaways seems to be little projects
and interest that pull me away from it.

When I first went to work at tmy present job almost every tech that worked
there was a ham. Just about all of them retired within a few years and nnd
only a couple are still active on the ham bands. They pretty much all say
that they just dont have time for it anymore. This is where ham radio is
going, It is losing out to living.

I havent gotten totally out of it yet and am occasionally involed. Usually
working on an antenna project thinking I will become active again. I have
been asked to assist some girl scouts in getting badges but I am having a
lot of trouble finding scouts that are interested although the requirements
are very minimal

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

"Jimmie D" wrote in
:


The term "lid" may have originated from newbie Morse operators
laying a lid on top of the relay receiver to make it easier to
distinguish the dots from the dashes.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

My mother told me stories of learning morse code this way when she
worked for the railroad. She then taught me morse code this way. For
twenty yeasrs after that I always wanted to be a ham and finally got m
ylicense at about age 35. I was fairly active for about 8 years and
pretty much lost interest when my daughter was born. In the last couple
of years I have been sporatially interested again but their alaways
seems to be little projects and interest that pull me away from it.

When I first went to work at tmy present job almost every tech that
worked there was a ham. Just about all of them retired within a few
years and nnd only a couple are still active on the ham bands. They
pretty much all say that they just dont have time for it anymore. This
is where ham radio is going, It is losing out to living.

I havent gotten totally out of it yet and am occasionally involed.
Usually working on an antenna project thinking I will become active
again. I have been asked to assist some girl scouts in getting badges
but I am having a lot of trouble finding scouts that are interested
although the requirements are very minimal



Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like hams,
they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW is
important and fun. All they see is hams gabbing on a microphone like any
CB'er can do.

SC

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like hams,
they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW is
important and fun. All they see is hams gabbing on a microphone like any
CB'er can do.

SC

Actually a lot of tghe boy scouts know morse code, they still arent
intersted in ham radio.

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Slow Code wrote:
"Jimmie D" wrote in
:


Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like hams,
they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW is
important and fun.
that is becuase it isn't important and fun for some it is neither but
it is not important in the modern world
period

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"Jimmie D" wrote in
:



Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like
hams, they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW
is important and fun. All they see is hams gabbing on a microphone
like any CB'er can do.

SC

Actually a lot of tghe boy scouts know morse code, they still arent
intersted in ham radio.




Some old time ham in the area needs to step in and show the scouts how ham
radio and CW can save lives and help communities in emergencies.

Nickle Generals & Extra's have a hard time promoting amateur radio. All
they want to do is promote dumbing it down more. It's no wonder the scouts
aren't interested.


SC

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From: Slow Code on Mon, Aug 21 2006 4:45 pm


"Jimmie D" wrote in
t:

Yes. That's understandable. Hams these days don't want to act like
hams, they like to be appliance operators. So kids don't see that CW
is important and fun. All they see is hams gabbing on a microphone
like any CB'er can do.

SC

Actually a lot of tghe boy scouts know morse code, they still arent
intersted in ham radio.

Some old time ham in the area needs to step in and show the scouts how ham
radio and CW can save lives and help communities in emergencies.

When are you leaving the group to go do that, "Slow?"

Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you inform the group
the date when amateur radio morse code saved ANYONE's life?
Betcha can't do it...

On 7 July 2006 the FCC released its Independent Panel report
on the worst natural disaster to hit the USA, Hurricane
Katrina. You can find it in the Federal Register of that
date. In there you can find an objective report on how much
radio amateurs helped their communities.

BTW, Comments on that Report are due on or before 21 August
2006...today. Have you sent in your Comment, "Slow?" No?

Nickle Generals & Extra's have a hard time promoting amateur radio. All
they want to do is promote dumbing it down more.

Tsk, if anyone was doing "dumbing it down more," they'd have
to outdo your own retrograde, freeze-it-in-YOUR-youth ham
radio, "Slow." Feel proud. You are practically a one-ham
show on dumbing down the service...

It's no wonder the scouts aren't interested.

Tsk, you should have recited your own tale of saving the
Titanic...when you were asleep on the US California...

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission-and...
 

www.devilfinder.com Amatuer Radio Operators save lives
cuhulin

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Cecil Moore wrote:

The same is true of sailing ships, hot-air balloons,
and horses. Do what turns you on and leave the
@#$%&$ federal government out of it.

-----------------REPLY BELOW-----------------

Cecil has it exactly right.

Bill, W6WRT


--

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Some old time ham in the area needs to step in and show the scouts
how ham
radio and CW can save lives and help communities in emergencies.

=====================================

In these days of mobile telephones, etc., morse code just gets in the
way of emergencies.

But there's nothing to prevent people who appreciate and love the
language of Morse, the way it sings, its universality, its beauty,
from continuing to use it way into the future.

It is the beauty of Morse, in plain English, never mind the
abbreviations, which boy scouts and others who show an interest should
be taught to appreciate.
----
Reg, G4FGQ

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and-Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

Reg Edwards wrote:
But there's nothing to prevent people who appreciate and love the
language of Morse, the way it sings, its universality, its beauty,
from continuing to use it way into the future.

The same is true of sailing ships, hot-air balloons,
and horses. Do what turns you on and leave the
@#$%&$ federal government out of it.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Morris Code -plus- Continuous Wave (CW) Radio Transmission -and- Semaphore Signals ? Do They Defining Amateur Radio ?
 

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
m...
Reg Edwards wrote:
But there's nothing to prevent people who appreciate and love the
language of Morse, the way it sings, its universality, its beauty,
from continuing to use it way into the future.

The same is true of sailing ships, hot-air balloons,
and horses. Do what turns you on and leave the
@#$%&$ federal government out of it.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
========================================

I like watching gleaming reciprocating stationary steam engines with 8
feet diameter flywheels. They turn me on too. The government doesn't
interfere. But there's not many about these days. ;o(

Turbines leave me cold!
----
Reg.