"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:


I really don't think AM is savable. It lost it's dominance in the
mid-70's,
and today is mostly a band for people over 55 (over half the AM listeners
in
most markets) and definitely not a band for those under 45 (less than 10%
of
radio listening by this group is to AM). However, if it is to be saved,
there has to be some change in the technology, because the first reason
why
younger people do not listen is because AM sounds bad. Is HD the answer?
Maybe, maybe not. But doing something beats doing nothing.

Of course. That "over 55" mantra again. The "over 55" crowd I know
have a boatload of disposable income, and you are throwing them away.

Sorrry, but don't place this package at radio's door. The facts are that
advertisers, via their ad agencies, specify who they wish to market to. And
for radio, it is some part or subset of the broad 18 to 54 year old market.
Advertisers (and we are talking about companies some of which spend hundreds
of millions on researching their markets adn products... like P&G) do not go
for over-55 because they have universally found that there is no return on
investment; this group has better formed buying habits and it takes so much
advertising that there is no profit on the sale to older consumers.

If there are no potential advertisers, there is no way to offer a service to
a particular segment of the audience via commercial radio. And the fact is
that there are virtually no ad campaigns targeting over-55 coming from
America's ad agencies for radio as an ad medium.


There is no point to this analogy. HD is not exclusive or required.

Except that it will be if iBiquity gets its way. There is no
open-source implementation of IBOC, and there never will be. IBOC is
proprietary and anyone who wants to build an "HD" radio will have to
deal with iBiquity.

So? There is still choice. Early radio transmitters all paid rights for
design use... early FM did, to Maj. Armstong's company.

Stations
can use it or not. Listeners can keep listening to the analog signal,
just
like before. There is no switch to a proprietary "radio" bus... just the
additon of a digital alternative.

It has been pointed out repeatedly that management of radio wants to
see the analog signal to go away. Can't turn it on or off for a fee
like you can a digital stream...

Funny, but I am in management and I know a lot of other people in
management. I have never heard any kind of "mission" to convert to digital
discussed. I have heard the occasional, "wouldn't it be nice if AM was all
digital" comments but we all know this is either impossible or a decade
down the road. I wonder if AM will make it that far, with or without HD.


Back to radio... you want AM to be FM and FM to be CD.

No, we want AM to sound half decent, and FM to have a robust digital
stream
of the main channel and have added texting abilities and a second or even
third channel to play with. So far, HD-2 has returned country and oldies
to
NY, Tejano to Dallas and Houston and Austin, and many other "hole
filling"
with missing free formats.

Well, you've guaranteed that AM will sound like ****.

Why? Analog AM on 95% or better of receivers sounds better, and HD is a vast
improvement. Of course, I have the advantage of actually having listened to
HD stations, and actually owning HD radios of several brands, including one
that came in my car.

In my sector, time spent listening to the radio is up, and is about 20%
higher than that of general market (non-Hispanic) listeners. Maybe it is
because we provide entertaining shows, good music, good talent, and focus
on
what the listeners tell us they want... we have over 45 people just
finding
out listener needs.

Your audience is up because radio is a reasonable format for
blue-collar workers to be entertained by. Can't watch TV while doing
manual labor.

Can't watch TV while doing any kind of job, really. Radio and TV are,
generally, used for totally different purposes anyway.

The fact is that most of America is working class, and 94% uses radio
regularly.

There is a royalty for the chip, and once hte radio is paid for, there is
no
further cost... unlike satellite, streaming, etc., which require a
subscription or a paid connection. Radio stations pay tiny fees that
barely
impact the operations. New chip designs, in various stages of
development,
will reduce power requirements to about 10% of the first generation. And
the
analog signal is not going to go away for a long time, if ever.


I read the article. Like everything else, you misrepresented it.

You did not read well enough. The chip, like any patented device, carries a
charge by iBiquity whether it is an iBiquity chip or a third party one. Once
the radio is bought, there are no other fees to the consumer.

Radio stations pay a minor licencing fee to use the technology.

There is no ongoing cost for the consumer.


The FM will NOT be CD -- it will be the same compressed, preprogrammed
pap that makes everyone sick.

It actually does sound much better than analog FM,

Monkey chatter doesn't make a signal sound better. If you weren't
tone deaf you'd know that.

Just at our LA office we have about 20 HD receivers. Nobody will go back to
listening to their station on analog after they have tried the digital
version. It sounds much cleaner and more like the CDs we use as source
material, in part due to the lack of the 75 ms preemphasis curve on analog
FM.


And, of course AM will be abandoned, by its once loyal base, because
they are disgusted. The final nail will be in the coffin.

There is no loyal base now. That is the problem. The audio is perceiveed
to
suck, and even formats like news / talk with strong 35-54 appeal don't
get
listening unless the format is moved to FM, as it has been in New
Orleans,
Orlando, tallahassee, Jacksonville, Salt Lake City, Washington DC,
Phoenix.,
Pittsburgh, etc.

Of course not. That's why people are screaming bloody murder about
what you are doing.

"Of course not" what? The only people screaming are a few DXers and a few
audiophiles. The rest of the public, at present, does not give a damn yet.
Most people do not know what HD is, since promotion was only launched about
9 months ago. As awareness, additional channels, cheaper radios, portables,
etc., roll out, there will be a slowly developing interest ... just like it
took half a decade for FM stereo to get any kind of traction.

I hope that your enduring legacy is that of the guy that helped
destroy radio in the united states. That the phrase "to Gleason"
means to destroy through thoughtless short-sightedness.

Trying to do something to help save AM is hardly destructive. Since so few
are currently listening, and since nearly no one in the last two generations
uses AM, this is a difficult task and may not be possible. AM was mortally
wounded back in the 70's... it is hard to visualize it being fully viable
ever again, but the better signals could possibly be saved.

David Eduardo wrote:

Funny, but I am in management and I know a lot of other people in
management. I have never heard any kind of "mission" to convert to digital
discussed. I have heard the occasional, "wouldn't it be nice if AM was all
digital" comments but we all know this is either impossible or a decade
down the road. I wonder if AM will make it that far, with or without HD.


David, iBiquity, itself, has stated that the HD (Which stands for
Hybrid Digital--not High Definition, btw) system will facilitate the
transition from the current analog broadcast to an all digital medium.

Hybrid. That's your first clue that this is a transitional system.

Now, this is FROM iBiquity. It's been said many times. It was said
in the presentation to FCC, and presented as a key selling point, after
FCC's mandate that all future modulation schemes for broadcast be digital.

It's been openly discussed at every radio station I've walked into
in the last 10 years, and was even forecast by Mel Karmazin at a staff
breakfast when I was at CBS.

It's being discussed. It's been discussed. And discussed openly.

If you've not heard it, Brother, then you need to widen your
circle. It's all but been up on billboards.

Figures I've heard have ranged from 5-8 years.

Which is an interesting coincidence, given that you, yourself have
forecast AM HD's implementation would take 5-8 years to revitalize AM
Radio.

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

Funny, but I am in management and I know a lot of other people in
management. I have never heard any kind of "mission" to convert to
digital discussed. I have heard the occasional, "wouldn't it be nice if
AM was all digital" comments but we all know this is either impossible
or a decade down the road. I wonder if AM will make it that far, with or
without HD.


David, iBiquity, itself, has stated that the HD (Which stands for
Hybrid Digital--not High Definition, btw) system will facilitate the
transition from the current analog broadcast to an all digital medium.

Yeah, they mean that, as a compatible analog digital system, there will be a
transition period before all-digital can be achieved and during that period,
analog receivers are not obsolete. I can not see anyone pulling the plug on
analog AM for a decade. And I have never heard anyone planning for the
future based on an all digital band.

Hybrid. That's your first clue that this is a transitional system.

Yeah, it can happen, but I know of no staiton that would do it till HD
penetration is virtually total. Just to get HD in most cars would take about
15 years.

Now, this is FROM iBiquity. It's been said many times. It was said in
the presentation to FCC, and presented as a key selling point, after FCC's
mandate that all future modulation schemes for broadcast be digital.

FM stereo is a hybrid, and backwards compatible with mono. FM stereo is
40-some years old, and yet over half of all FM listening is in mono today.

It's been openly discussed at every radio station I've walked into in
the last 10 years, and was even forecast by Mel Karmazin at a staff
breakfast when I was at CBS.

Yet I have never heard any discussion of abandoning analog... lot of
"cheerleading" about digital, but no desire to blow off existing analog
listeners.

It's being discussed. It's been discussed. And discussed openly.

If you've not heard it, Brother, then you need to widen your circle.
It's all but been up on billboards.

I go to the NABs, RABs and programming conferences. I don't hear elimination
of analog and replacement with digital discussed at all.

Figures I've heard have ranged from 5-8 years.

If look at the average age of operating cars in the US, you realize that
that is unduly optimistic, even if there is a covert transition being
planned.

Since most AMs in the US are not economically viable in analog, thinking of
going digital is pretty much pie in the sky.

Which is an interesting coincidence, given that you, yourself have
forecast AM HD's implementation would take 5-8 years to revitalize AM
Radio.

.... and that is conditional on it being possible to bring new people under
45 to the band. I don't think this will happen, so all the rest is moot.
With less than 10% of Americans under 45 using AM, and the usage declining
each year, we may be too late for anything.

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

Funny, but I am in management and I know a lot of other people in
management. I have never heard any kind of "mission" to convert to
digital discussed. I have heard the occasional, "wouldn't it be nice if
AM was all digital" comments but we all know this is either impossible
or a decade down the road. I wonder if AM will make it that far, with or
without HD.

David, iBiquity, itself, has stated that the HD (Which stands for
Hybrid Digital--not High Definition, btw) system will facilitate the
transition from the current analog broadcast to an all digital medium.

Yeah, they mean that, as a compatible analog digital system, there will be a
transition period before all-digital can be achieved and during that period,
analog receivers are not obsolete. I can not see anyone pulling the plug on
analog AM for a decade. And I have never heard anyone planning for the
future based on an all digital band.


David, David, David....the chairman of iBiquity said the words.
The system will facilitate a smooth transition to an all-digital system.
That he envisioned less than a decade to phasing out analog entirely.



It doesn't get any clearer than that. The goal is to move to
digital, without analog.




Hybrid. That's your first clue that this is a transitional system.

Yeah, it can happen, but I know of no staiton that would do it till HD
penetration is virtually total. Just to get HD in most cars would take about
15 years.
Now, this is FROM iBiquity. It's been said many times. It was said in
the presentation to FCC, and presented as a key selling point, after FCC's
mandate that all future modulation schemes for broadcast be digital.

FM stereo is a hybrid, and backwards compatible with mono. FM stereo is
40-some years old, and yet over half of all FM listening is in mono today.


Yes, I believe I made that point last year. But the key here
is FM Stereo is backward compatible, costs next to nothing to implement,
produces no savings to turn off, and most listeners, or broadcasters for
that matter, don't notice the difference when it's not there. The pilot
is more important to most listeners than the separation.

But Digital/Analog is a different animal. And iBiquity, and
General Manglers all over the industry are looking at the day when
digital will supplant analog broadcasting. Because, analog requires 10
times the power, maintaining two audio streams, with separate processing
chains, is also expensive.

We're not talking FM stereo, here. We're talking two separate and
distinct radio stations on the same dial position. GM's don't like
that. And iBiquity has facilitated the demise of one in favor of the
other, and sold the system for that purpose.


It's been openly discussed at every radio station I've walked into in
the last 10 years, and was even forecast by Mel Karmazin at a staff
breakfast when I was at CBS.

Yet I have never heard any discussion of abandoning analog... lot of
"cheerleading" about digital, but no desire to blow off existing analog
listeners.
It's being discussed. It's been discussed. And discussed openly.

If you've not heard it, Brother, then you need to widen your circle.
It's all but been up on billboards.

I go to the NABs, RABs and programming conferences. I don't hear elimination
of analog and replacement with digital discussed at all.


I don't know what to tell you, David. I've heard it as far back
as a decade, now, and as recently as yesterday.

I've also heard it discussed on WGN overnights. Not that there
were any advertisers supporting it, but it WAS being discussed.

Like I said, Brother, you do need to widen your circle.



Figures I've heard have ranged from 5-8 years.

If look at the average age of operating cars in the US, you realize that
that is unduly optimistic, even if there is a covert transition being
planned.



How do you figure? You can retrofit any vehicle with anything
today. Hell, I've retrofitted my factory radios with iPod integration,
now on two Caravans and a GMC Envoy, even though the Envoy was not
capable of being retrofitted with iPod integration when I bought it.
Now, Peripheral is making a drop in device that does it, not only for
GM, but for damned near anything on the road. iPod, AND an Aux input for
either my Delphi XM piece, OR....are you sitting down....an HD radio tuner.

All integrated into the factory sound system (not by far the
premium package that's available, btw) and controllable from the factory
radio face.

The age of current operating vehicles in the US is irrelevant,
when retrofitting options are widely available. Especially when
specialized technical knowledge is not required to make the mods.

****, David....if you don't think guys like Karmazin, who openly
spoke of the value of digital terrestrial radio for it's SUBSCRIPTION
potential before the Senate last week, don't know about these devices,
you need to seriously get out of the office. Come to Chicago, I'll buy
you a rib dinner and show you how readily available this stuff is on any
corner from Howard Street to 57th.

And guys like Karmazin not only know of this kind of
opportunity, but have already made plans to exploit it.



Since most AMs in the US are not economically viable in analog, thinking of
going digital is pretty much pie in the sky.
Which is an interesting coincidence, given that you, yourself have
forecast AM HD's implementation would take 5-8 years to revitalize AM
Radio.

... and that is conditional on it being possible to bring new people under
45 to the band. I don't think this will happen, so all the rest is moot.
With less than 10% of Americans under 45 using AM, and the usage declining
each year, we may be too late for anything.


I can't argue with that. And the Law of Unintended Consequences
has resulted in a hastening of the abandonment of the bands through
objectionable QRM. Run off your current listeners, and what's to stop
you from shutting down the 50Kw blowtorch in favor of all digital? Since
stations like WLS, or WGN are going to have to go dark, or go to FMHD2,
because they don't have open FM's in the family, their options are
pretty limited. And by your own admission they're only on the cusp of
profitability, there's nothing to keep the analog channel running at
all. Except a deference to history.

If nobody's listening, that's a pretty expensive salute.

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...


David, David, David....the chairman of iBiquity said the words. The
system will facilitate a smooth transition to an all-digital system. That
he envisioned less than a decade to phasing out analog entirely.



It doesn't get any clearer than that. The goal is to move to
digital, without analog.

iBiquity is selling HD. Broadcasters sell ads. Ad sales requires listeners.
A transition like that to HDTV, mandated and with a fixed cut off, would not
please broadcasters and I doubt they would do it. I think the possibility of
an all digital AM band are 10 to 12 years out. If ever... if the band
survives.


Yes, I believe I made that point last year. But the key here is
FM Stereo is backward compatible, costs next to nothing to implement,
produces no savings to turn off, and most listeners, or broadcasters for
that matter, don't notice the difference when it's not there. The pilot is
more important to most listeners than the separation.

But Digital/Analog is a different animal. And iBiquity, and General
Manglers all over the industry are looking at the day when digital will
supplant analog broadcasting. Because, analog requires 10 times the power,
maintaining two audio streams, with separate processing chains, is also
expensive.

For the markets where HD is installed, the small cost is not particularly
signficant. Once you have the hardware, there is very little extra cost on a
monthly basis. And power savings, today, are not that big a deal until you
get to very small markets.

We're not talking FM stereo, here. We're talking two separate and
distinct radio stations on the same dial position. GM's don't like that.
And iBiquity has facilitated the demise of one in favor of the other, and
sold the system for that purpose.

I don't see that many GMs that really look at it that way. They look at it
more like and SCA, not a separate station.

We recently had iBiquity "leadership" at a meeting of all GMs and PDs and
GSMs... and replacing analog was not metioned ever, even by the President of
iBiquity. I wonder why they are hiding this form us?

I go to the NABs, RABs and programming conferences. I don't hear
elimination of analog and replacement with digital discussed at all.


I don't know what to tell you, David. I've heard it as far back as
a decade, now, and as recently as yesterday.

I notice that the main objections in radio to HD come from engineers... not
because of the technology, but because of the change. The things they write
indicate a lack of knowledge of the business. Maybe you are hearing from
that quarter.

I've also heard it discussed on WGN overnights. Not that there
were any advertisers supporting it, but it WAS being discussed.

Ah, WGN. The king of the 65 and over listener. What were the comments?

If look at the average age of operating cars in the US, you realize that
that is unduly optimistic, even if there is a covert transition being
planned.

How do you figure? You can retrofit any vehicle with anything
today. Hell, I've retrofitted my factory radios with iPod integration, now
on two Caravans and a GMC Envoy, even though the Envoy was not capable of
being retrofitted with iPod integration when I bought it. Now, Peripheral
is making a drop in device that does it, not only for GM, but for damned
near anything on the road. iPod, AND an Aux input for either my Delphi XM
piece, OR....are you sitting down....an HD radio tuner.

Most people buying used cars do so to save... they do not rush out for new
radios. I still think it will take a dozen years to get anywhere near the
penetration of HD, and it will be driven by FM. AM may already be dead in 10
years when all the listeners are over 55.


****, David....if you don't think guys like Karmazin, who openly
spoke of the value of digital terrestrial radio for it's SUBSCRIPTION
potential before the Senate last week, don't know about these devices, you
need to seriously get out of the office. Come to Chicago, I'll buy you a
rib dinner and show you how readily available this stuff is on any corner
from Howard Street to 57th.

I have heard less about subscription models than going all digital. No
broadcaster has enough HD2 channels to be able to support the
infrastructure, and satellite offers so much more for very little money. I
see no future in subscription radio on FM.

And guys like Karmazin not only know of this kind of opportunity,
but have already made plans to exploit it.

KArmazin is not in terrestrial radio anymore.

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

David, David, David....the chairman of iBiquity said the words. The
system will facilitate a smooth transition to an all-digital system. That
he envisioned less than a decade to phasing out analog entirely.



It doesn't get any clearer than that. The goal is to move to
digital, without analog.

iBiquity is selling HD. Broadcasters sell ads. Ad sales requires listeners.
A transition like that to HDTV, mandated and with a fixed cut off, would not
please broadcasters and I doubt they would do it. I think the possibility of
an all digital AM band are 10 to 12 years out. If ever... if the band
survives.



Which may be the case. But that's not the point I've been
trying to make.

My point is that this IS being discussed. And it IS being
planned for. And has been since the beginning. Not in a nebulous way,
but in specific ways, and, because Radio is ALWAYS about the money, it's
being planned for in ways that not only protect but enhance the revenue
stream.


And iBiquity is not just selling HD. It's also selling a future.


Whether or not iBiquity has the capacity to influence the move,
it was iBiquity that started and sustains the conversation. And you've
been around the biz long enough to know that all it takes is a
conversation to start the revolution.







Yes, I believe I made that point last year. But the key here is
FM Stereo is backward compatible, costs next to nothing to implement,
produces no savings to turn off, and most listeners, or broadcasters for
that matter, don't notice the difference when it's not there. The pilot is
more important to most listeners than the separation.

But Digital/Analog is a different animal. And iBiquity, and General
Manglers all over the industry are looking at the day when digital will
supplant analog broadcasting. Because, analog requires 10 times the power,
maintaining two audio streams, with separate processing chains, is also
expensive.

For the markets where HD is installed, the small cost is not particularly
signficant. Once you have the hardware, there is very little extra cost on a
monthly basis. And power savings, today, are not that big a deal until you
get to very small markets.


Small cost are not significant to who? Bean counters try to
reuse postage stamps. We had to reuse the toner in the copy machine at
CBS. Tens of kilowatts do not go unnoticed in that environment. And my
own GM very nearly salivated at the prospect of the day he will be able
to turn off the analog carrier, sell off the extra audio chain, and turn
that into bottom line numbers.

It may not be alot in real cash, but on a corporate P&L, stamps
and paper clips matter.



We're not talking FM stereo, here. We're talking two separate and
distinct radio stations on the same dial position. GM's don't like that.
And iBiquity has facilitated the demise of one in favor of the other, and
sold the system for that purpose.

I don't see that many GMs that really look at it that way. They look at it
more like and SCA, not a separate station.


Except it's not. Different spots, different processing. SCA is
a tape, or a live feed that's self sustaining, and produces direct lease
revenue. HD does not. It's a separate facility in house, maintained and
operated in house. Funded in house. If the future really is digital,
I've heard more than on GM say, then let's get on with it. Turn off the
carrier, and let the digital carry the freight.




We recently had iBiquity "leadership" at a meeting of all GMs and PDs and
GSMs... and replacing analog was not metioned ever, even by the President of
iBiquity. I wonder why they are hiding this form us?


It's not being hidden, David. But corporate meetings are not known
for their catholic (pardon the pun) embrace of content.

And such discussions would be had between upper echelons, not GMs
and PD's, or GM's and general staff. It would also be discussed between
upper echelons and specific individuals involved.

I, myself, was involved in meetings that the PD was not. Given
duties the PD didn't know of, and responsibilities to answer only to the
GM. I thought it was pretty stupid way to run a radio station, but it's
not the first time I'd encountered it. And things I was specifically
told in less public meetings were never discussed in general staff
meetings.

Karmazin has been talking of his since IBOC was proposed. He's
mentioned it, now publicly in Senate hearings this past week.

And going back to the origin, iBiquity specifically described IBOC
as a transition from analog to digital broadcasting, with an all digital
system the goal.





I go to the NABs, RABs and programming conferences. I don't hear
elimination of analog and replacement with digital discussed at all.

I don't know what to tell you, David. I've heard it as far back as
a decade, now, and as recently as yesterday.

I notice that the main objections in radio to HD come from engineers... not
because of the technology, but because of the change. The things they write
indicate a lack of knowledge of the business. Maybe you are hearing from
that quarter.


Um....GM's...I'm hearing it from GM's. Engineers generally
speak with me about audio, women, or the really good linguine at
Luciano's.




I've also heard it discussed on WGN overnights. Not that there
were any advertisers supporting it, but it WAS being discussed.

Ah, WGN. The king of the 65 and over listener. What were the comments?


They were discussing HD AM and how good it sounds in the
studio monitors. Even nicer than AM Stereo. And eventually how WGN will
be all digital.



If look at the average age of operating cars in the US, you realize that
that is unduly optimistic, even if there is a covert transition being
planned.

How do you figure? You can retrofit any vehicle with anything
today. Hell, I've retrofitted my factory radios with iPod integration, now
on two Caravans and a GMC Envoy, even though the Envoy was not capable of
being retrofitted with iPod integration when I bought it. Now, Peripheral
is making a drop in device that does it, not only for GM, but for damned
near anything on the road. iPod, AND an Aux input for either my Delphi XM
piece, OR....are you sitting down....an HD radio tuner.

Most people buying used cars do so to save... they do not rush out for new
radios.



Ok...HOLD on...Point of order, Mr Chairman....The gentleman
from Chicago said nothing about new radios, but rather said retrofit of
current radios extant and installed would be retrofitted. Installed by
a professional will cost you less than $200. Thank you. The gentleman
from the Coast may continue.


I still think it will take a dozen years to get anywhere near the
penetration of HD, and it will be driven by FM. AM may already be dead in 10
years when all the listeners are over 55.


Hello, Hello...test 1, 2....aftermarket radios are the
backbone of businesses like Circuit City and Best Buy, Crutchfield, J&R,
even Parts Express. Sullivan GMC doesn't have a service bay as large or
as well equipped as Circuit City's installation bay at Gurnee Mills. And
the FIRST question I've been asked when selling one of my cars is "What
kind of sound system does it have?"

MOST aftermarket radios go into USED cars. They may be buying
used to save money, but they still like to believe they're living the
high life. Aftermarket radios are a BIG part of the used car business.



****, David....if you don't think guys like Karmazin, who openly
spoke of the value of digital terrestrial radio for it's SUBSCRIPTION
potential before the Senate last week, don't know about these devices, you
need to seriously get out of the office. Come to Chicago, I'll buy you a
rib dinner and show you how readily available this stuff is on any corner
from Howard Street to 57th.

I have heard less about subscription models than going all digital. No
broadcaster has enough HD2 channels to be able to support the
infrastructure, and satellite offers so much more for very little money. I
see no future in subscription radio on FM.
And guys like Karmazin not only know of this kind of opportunity,
but have already made plans to exploit it.

KArmazin is not in terrestrial radio anymore.


True, but he did testify before Congress about Sirius/XM,
terrestrial radio and subscription. And reinterating from AllAccess.Com:

(Note content on subscription. It may not be happening today, but it
IS being discussed, and planned for.)

Sirius/XM On HD Radio: See? It's Competition!
The FCC decision underlines that HD Radio on the AM/FM bands provide a
real alternative to satellite ...
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and XM SATELLITE RADIO issued a joint statement
on the FCC's issuance of its final rules for HD RADIO, saying, "The FCC
decision underlines that HD RADIO on the AM/FM bands provides a real
alternative to satellite and that the current audio entertainment market
is broad, robust and competitive. The decision will raise competition to
a new level by stimulating the growth in HD RADIO stations (now 1,200),
enhancing its offerings to consumers and establishing a process for free
radio to offer a paid subscription service for the first time."

SIRIUS CEO MEL KARMAZIN has been raising HD RADIO and its capability for
subscription services as an example of the competition between
terrestrial and satellite radio, most recently at this week's Senate
antitrust panel.

I don't dislike David Gleason,I don't have hate built up in me.I don't
believe David Gleason is a terrorist.He better not refer to my
Misissippi ass as a lard ass again though.Girls,I have almost noo any
ass at all,and as for as me little weenie is concerned,y'all gals would
laugh y'alls asses off.
cuhulin

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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stuff to counter Gleason's usual line of BS

I had a thought (scary, ain't it). What's going to happen in the event of a
natural disaster/other large scale event when most of the radios in the
country are totally worthless? Digital will NEVER have total penetration the
way analog now does. Not on TV, not on the radio. Phase shifts on AM will
affect digital just as they do analog, except that the signal will be lost
entirely during those phase shifts, rather than just becoming more difficult
to listen to. FM picket-fencing in metro areas will render digital
unlistenable in many areas while driving.



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