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I currently have a Sony ICF-7600GR, and was wondering, how you try to
hear activity on nets that are huge. I know on a shortwave radio that
you can basically only really hear one channel at a time and can't
scan like VHF/UHF but when I look at networks like the Mystic Star and
some other huge ones, it's like how do you see if any channel has
activity easily, when you have to basically type in each and every
frequency to the radio.

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On May 18, 3:23 am, RedPenguin wrote:
I currently have a Sony ICF-7600GR, and was wondering, how you try to
hear activity on nets that are huge. I know on a shortwave radio that
you can basically only really hear one channel at a time and can't
scan like VHF/UHF but when I look at networks like the Mystic Star and
some other huge ones, it's like how do you see if any channel has
activity easily, when you have to basically type in each and every
frequency to the radio.


The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is not a scanner. It is a radio designed for
listening to world band broadcasts and ham transmissions. If you try
to listen to nets with this radio, you will be frustrated. That said,
the best way to check is to tune to the bottom of the frequency band
you wish to monitor and, while in the AM Mode "Norm," hold in the
inner tuning button [ + - ] and manually scan that band. There will
be no "chugging" or "muting" when scanning this way. You will then
hear any transmissions available at your location and you can then
stop and listen - only to one frequency at a time, however.

You asked how to check easily: there is no way with this radio. It is
not designed for that. For what you wish to do, you need a scanner. I
hope this is not the main reason you bought this one!

Best,

Joe

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On May 18, 11:47 am, Joe Analssandrini
wrote:
On May 18, 3:23 am, RedPenguin wrote:

I currently have a Sony ICF-7600GR, and was wondering, how you try to
hear activity on nets that are huge. I know on a shortwave radio that
you can basically only really hear one channel at a time and can't
scan like VHF/UHF but when I look at networks like the Mystic Star and
some other huge ones, it's like how do you see if any channel has
activity easily, when you have to basically type in each and every
frequency to the radio.


The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is not a scanner. It is a radio designed for
listening to world band broadcasts and ham transmissions. If you try
to listen to nets with this radio, you will be frustrated. That said,
the best way to check is to tune to the bottom of the frequency band
you wish to monitor and, while in the AM Mode "Norm," hold in the
inner tuning button [ + - ] and manually scan that band. There will
be no "chugging" or "muting" when scanning this way. You will then
hear any transmissions available at your location and you can then
stop and listen - only to one frequency at a time, however.

You asked how to check easily: there is no way with this radio. It is
not designed for that. For what you wish to do, you need a scanner. I
hope this is not the main reason you bought this one!

Best,

Joe


Well, I like broadcasts also, but what would you use for nets because
I heard there really are no HF scanners due to the fact of how much
noise affects it.

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On May 18, 9:38 pm, RedPenguin wrote:
On May 18, 11:47 am, Joe Analssandrini
wrote:



On May 18, 3:23 am, RedPenguin wrote:


I currently have a Sony ICF-7600GR, and was wondering, how you try to
hear activity on nets that are huge. I know on a shortwave radio that
you can basically only really hear one channel at a time and can't
scan like VHF/UHF but when I look at networks like the Mystic Star and
some other huge ones, it's like how do you see if any channel has
activity easily, when you have to basically type in each and every
frequency to the radio.


The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is not a scanner. It is a radio designed for
listening to world band broadcasts and ham transmissions. If you try
to listen to nets with this radio, you will be frustrated. That said,
the best way to check is to tune to the bottom of the frequency band
you wish to monitor and, while in the AM Mode "Norm," hold in the
inner tuning button [ + - ] and manually scan that band. There will
be no "chugging" or "muting" when scanning this way. You will then
hear any transmissions available at your location and you can then
stop and listen - only to one frequency at a time, however.


You asked how to check easily: there is no way with this radio. It is
not designed for that. For what you wish to do, you need a scanner. I
hope this is not the main reason you bought this one!


Best,


Joe


Well, I like broadcasts also, but what would you use for nets because
I heard there really are no HF scanners due to the fact of how much
noise affects it.


I do not own or use any scanning radios.However, I believe you are
incorrect when you state there are no HF scanners, but you'd have to
double-check me. There are a number out there that would seem to be
suitable for your desires. Unfortunately, of course, they are somewhat
expensive. There are several models, made by AOR, Alinco, ICOM, or
Yaesu that might be suitable. If you are seriously looking to scan the
high frequencies, I suggest telephoning AES and/or Universal Radio and
talking with someone there. (AES would probably be more helpful; they
have been so, at least in my experience.)

If you wanted a non-scanning radio suitable for utilities, there are
two ways to go: the Sangean ATS 909 with an outdoor antenna and an AC
power supply is a good one for utilities and hams because it has two
bandwidths and good dynamic range. (It is not as good for broadcast
reception as the Sony ICF-SW7600GR.) I am hesitant, however, to
recommend ANY Sangean product as I have owned/still own four of their
products, none of which is truly a good performer or constructed very
well. Thus I have a sour taste in my mouth regarding Sangean. Others,
of course, will have differing experiences. Note that I have never
owned an ATS 909 so you'd want to inquire of people who do own this
model for their opinions. The other, and better, way to go, in my
opinion, would be the ICOM IC-R75 tabletop receiver, again with a
suitable (and significant) antenna. With appropriate (optional)
filtration, this radio should almost totally satisfy your needs. It is
the least costly tabletop radio suitable for utility/ham reception
that is currently being manufactured.

The above is, of course, my opinion only, and you should get other
opinions, especially from those who do actively monitor utility
broadcasts.

I do wish you the very best of luck. Radio is indeed a great deal of
fun, isn't it?

Joe

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On 18 May 2007 00:23:26 -0700, RedPenguin
wrote:

I currently have a Sony ICF-7600GR, and was wondering, how you try to
hear activity on nets that are huge. I know on a shortwave radio that
you can basically only really hear one channel at a time and can't
scan like VHF/UHF but when I look at networks like the Mystic Star and
some other huge ones, it's like how do you see if any channel has
activity easily, when you have to basically type in each and every
frequency to the radio.


You can practicefine tuning with these. They are pretty active. Find
the ones near you.

(NAT - A) North Atlantic Family A
3016.0 5598.0 8906.0 13306.0 17946.0

Canarias, Gander, New York, Paramaribo, Piarco, Santa Maria, Shanwick

(NAT - B) North Atlantic Family B
2899.0 5616.0 8864.0 13291.0 17946.0

Gander, Iceland, New York, Santa Maria, Shanwick

(NAT - C) North Atlantic Family C
2872.0 5649.0 8879.0 13306.0 17946.0

Gander, Iceland, Shanwick

(NAT - D) North Atlantic Family D
2971.0 4675.0 8891.0 11279.0 13291.0 17946.0

Arctic Radio (Baffin), Bodo, Churchill (Emerg's Only), Gander,
Iceland, Shanwick

(NAT - E) North Atlantic Family E
2962.0 6628.0 8825.0 11309.0 13354.0

New York, Santa Maria

(NAT - F) North Atlantic Family F
3476.0 6622.0 8831.0 11336.0 13291.0

Gander, Shanwick


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(CAR - A) Caribbean Area A
2887.0 5550.0 6577.0 8918.0 11396.0 13297.0 17907.0

Barranquilla, Boyeros, Merida, New York, Panama, Piarco

(CAR - B) Caribbean Area B
3455.0 5520.0 6586.0 8846.0 11330.0 17907.0

Barranquilla, Boyeros, Cayenne, Georgetown, Maiquetia, New York,
Panama, Paramaribo, Piarco


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(SAM - C) South American Central Area
3479.0 5526.0 8855.0 10096.0 13297.0 17907.0

Belem, Bogota, Brasilia, Iquitos, Leticia, Manaus, Maiquetia, Porto
Velho, Rio de Janeiro

(SAM - NE) South American North Eastern Area
3479.0 5526.0 8855.0 10096.0 13297.0 17907.0

Belem, Cayenne, Georgetown, Maiquetia, Paramaribo, Piarco, Recife

(SAM - NW) South American North Western Area
2944.0 4669.0 6649.0 10024.0 11360.0 17907.0

Barranquilla, Bogota, Maiquetia, Lima, Quito

(SAM - SE) South American South Eastern Area
3479.0 5526.0 8855.0 10096.0 13297.0 17907.0

Asuncion, Belem, Brasilia, Buenos Aires, Campo Grande, La Paz,
Montevideo, Lima, Porto Alegre, Port Velho, Recife, Salvador, Santa
Cruz

(SAM - SW) South American South Western Area
2944.0 4669.0 6549.0 10024.0 11360.0 17907.0

Antofagasta, Asuncion, Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Easter Is, La Paz, Lima,
Puerto Montt, Punta Arenas, Santa Cruz, Santiago, Talara, Ushuaia


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(SAT - 1) South Atlantic Area 1
3452.0 6535.0 8861.0 13357.0 17955.0

Brasilia, Canarias, Cayenne, Dakar, Manaus, Paramaribo, Recife, Rio de
Janerio, Sal Island

(SAT 2) South Atlantic Area 2
2854.0 5565.0 11291.0 13315.0 17955.0

Canarias, Cayenne, Dakar, Manaus, Johannesburg, Paramaribo, Recife,
Rio de Janerio, Sal Island


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(AFI - 1) Africa Area 1
3452.0 6535.0 8861.0 13357.0 17955.0

Abidjan, Bamako, Bangui, Bissau, Bouake, Casablanca, Conakry,
Canarias, Dakar, Freetown, Johannesburg, Kano, Niamey, Nouadhibou,
Nouakchott, Ouagadougou, Roberts

(AFI - 2) Africa Area 2
3419.0 5652.0 8894.0 13273.0 17961.0

Algiers, Kano, Gao, Niamey, N'djamena, Tamanrasset, Timimoun, Tripoli,
Tunis

(AFI - 3) Africa Area 3
3467.0 5517.0 10018.0 11300.0 13288.0 17961.0

Addis Ababa, Aden, Asmara, Bahrain, Benghazi, Bombay, Bujumbura,
Cairo, Comoros, Dar es Salaam, Entebbe, Hargeisa, Djibouti, Jeddah,
Khartoum, Kigali, Kisimayu, Male, Mogadishu, Nairobi, Port Sudan,
Sana'a, Seychelles, Tripoli.

(AFI - 4) Africa Area 4
2878.0 5493.0 8903.0 13294.0 17961.0

Accra, Bangui, Douala, Entebbe, Franceville, Garoua, Goma, Harare,
Kano, Kinshasa, Kisangani, Lagos, Libreville, Luanda, Lubumbashi,
Lusaka, Maiduguri, Maroua, N'djamena, Niamey, Niamtougou, Pointe
Noire, Port Gentil, Roberts, Sao Tome, Windhoek, Yaounde


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(INO - 1) Indian Ocean Area 1
3476.0 5634.0 8879.0 13306.0 17961.0

Antananarivo, Beira, Bombay, Brisbane, Cocos Islands, Colombo, Dar es
Salaam, Harare, Jeddah, Kigali, Lilongwe, Lusaka, Madras, Mahajanga,
Male, Mauritius, Moroni, Nairobi, Perth, Seychelles, St.Denis,
Toamasina


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(MID - 1) Middle East Area 1
2992.0 4669.0 5667.0 6631.0 8951.0 11375.0 17961.0

Aden, Amman, Ankara, Beirut, Cairo, Damascus, Jeddah, Kuwait, Manama,
Odessa, Sana'a, Simferopol, Tehran, Tbilisi, Yerevan

(MID - 2) Middle East Area 2
3467.0 5658.0 10018.0 11300.0 13288.0 17961.0

Abadan, Almaty, Ashkabad, Bishkek, Bombay, Delhi, Dushanbe, Kabul,
Karachi, Kathmandu, Kuwait, Lahore, Male, Muscat, Odessa, Samarkhand,
Seychelles, Tashkent, Tehran, Tbilisi, Urumqi, Yerevan

(MID - 3) Middle East Area 3
2944.0 4669.0 6631.0 8951.0 11375.0 17961.0

Aktyubinsk, Almaty, Bishkek, Dushanbe, Kuybyshev, Kzyl-Orda, Moscow,
Samarkhand, Tashkent, Uralsk, Yerevan


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(EUR - A) Europe Area A
3479.0 5661.0 6598.0 10084.0 13288.0 17961.0

Arkhangelsk, Beirut, Berlin, Kiev, Lvov, Minsk, Moscow, Murmansk,
Odessa, Riga, Simferopol, Sofia, St. Petersburg, Syktyvkar, Tunis,
Velikiye, Vilnius, Vologda


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(NCA - 1) North Central Asia Area 1
3019.0 5646.0 13315.0 17958.0

Ivdel, Khanty-Mansiysk, Moscow, Syktyvkar, Vologda

(NCA - 2) North Central Asia Area 2
2851.0 4678.0 6592.0 10096.0 17958.0

Barnaul, Irkutsk, Khanty-Mansiysk, Kirensk, Kolpashevo, Krasnoyarsk,
Novosibirsk, Podkamennaya, Surgut, Yeniseysk

(NCA - 3) North Central Asia Area 3
3004.0 5664.0 10039.0 13303.0 17958.0

Chita, Chulman, Ekimchan, Irkutsk, Kirensk, Khabarovsk, Pyongyang,
Ulaanbaatar, Ulan Ude


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(EA - 1) East Asia Area 1
3016.0 6571.0 8897.0 10042.0 17958.0

Beijing, Guangzhou, Hailar, Irkutsk, Jinan, Kunming, Lanzhou,
Pyongyang, Shanghai, Shenyang, Taegu, Ulaanbaatar, Urumqi, Wuhan,
Zhengzhou

(EA - 2) East Asia Area 2
3485.0 5649.0 5655.0 8942.0 11396.0 13309.0 17907.0

Guangzhou, Irkutsk, Pyongyang, Ulaanbaatar


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(SEA - 1) South East Asia Area 1
3470.0 5670.0 6556.0 10066.0 13318.0 17907.0

Bali, Bangkok, Colombo, Calcutta, Dhaka, Guangzhou, Jakarta,
Kathmandu, Kuala Lumpur, Kunming, Madras, Male, Singapore, Yangon

(SEA - 2) South East Asia Area 2
3485.0 5649.0 5655.0 8942.0 11396.0 13309.0 17907.0

Bali, Bangkok, Guangzhou, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh, Hong Kong, Jakarta,
Kuala Lumpur, Kota Kinabalu, Manila, Seoul, Singapore, Tokyo,
Vientianne

(SEA - 3) South East Asia Area 3
3470.0 5733.0 6556.0 10066.0 11396.0 13318.0 17907.0

Bali, Brisbane, Jakarta, Male, Singapore, Ujung Pandang


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(CEP - 1/2) Central East Pacific Areas 1/2
2869.0 3413.0 5547.0 5574.0 6673.0 8843.0 10057.0 11282.0 13261.0
13354.0 17904.0

San Francisco

(CWP - 1/2) Central West Pacific Area 1/2
2998.0 4666.0 6532.0 6562.0 8903.0 11384.0 13300.0 17904.0

Hong Kong, Manila, Naha, Port Moseby, San Francisco, Seoul, Taipei,
Tokyo


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(NP - 3/4) North Pacific Area 3/4
2932.0 5628.0 5677.0 6655.0 8915.0 10048.0 13294.0 13339.0 17904.0
17946.0 21925.0

San Francisco, Tokyo

(SP - 6/7) South Pacific Area 6/7
3467.0 5643.0 8867.0 13261.0 17904.0

Auckland, Brisbane, Nadi, Pascua (Easter Island), Port Vila,
Rarotonga, San Francisco, Tahiti, Wallis


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On May 18, 3:23 am, RedPenguin wrote:
I currently have a Sony ICF-7600GR, and was wondering, how you try to
hear activity on nets that are huge. I know on a shortwave radio that
you can basically only really hear one channel at a time and can't
scan like VHF/UHF but when I look at networks like the Mystic Star and
some other huge ones, it's like how do you see if any channel has
activity easily, when you have to basically type in each and every
frequency to the radio.


Really not that difficult with a HF receiver having a decent number of
memories than can be tuned through quickly using a tuning knob. Just
enter the frequencies of interest one time and tune back and forth
tilll you get a hit.

Push button tuning through memories on the 7600 would not in my
opinion be a very effective way of tuning back and forth rapidly
across many stored frequencies.

The only way you will truly be able to "see" whether adjacent
frequencies are in use is with an expensive receiver having a spectrum
display.

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