"Rick Frazier" wrote in message
news:zMKdnUjw4qFg1GzZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now. Why
don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under?

At this point, even a relative moron should get the point that there are
a bunch of people that really don't give a damn about CW. That you do is
not the point, but your continual posts about it are the point.
Therefore, your continual posts lead me to believe you should be seeking
mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about you get a
life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands right now?

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change and
new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be ****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish to
push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic is
spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for arguments.

Now, to provide a response to your query: It is extremely unlikely that
with all the means we have for contact in the case of an emergency, that
CW would be the only way to make contact, particularly if you live in
anything near an urban evironment in mainland US. First and foremost,
there has to be someone else that will respond to you, and given the
things going on with the hobby lately, I doubt that CW will be the
safety net you'd like to believe it is.

For myself, I have HF and VHF in both the house and vehicle, and have
the VHF radios all programmed with all of the local police and fire
frequencies. In a true emergency, I wouldn't lose a moment's time
worrying about whether it was legal or not before I keyed up on a public
service/fire/police frequency if it meant saving somebody. Would CW
help? Not very damn likely, as first I'd have to key up the HF rig, get
to someone that could relay, pass a message, hope like hell that they
actually did call the proper authority, (and were believed), and so on.
You can bet I'll get attention right away if I key up on any of the
public service frequencies, and they damn well will respond, if for no
other reason than to find me. If that's what it takes, so be it, they
can fight it out in court later, and I'd get so much media attention
they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

--Rick AH7H

Rick...point well made, tho a bit wordy.
I happen to be in a position whereby I work in law enforcement and have more
that one HT in the home charger, said HTs being on the local PD freqs.
Save a life? CW? Not hardly! That is a moot argument, one with no merit save
for the spammers who wish to continue the thread for their own, selfish
entertainment.
In an emergency I use one of the HTs. They work even when the cell phone
service is out.
In a true emergency, CW is not fast enough. It is archaic. It simply doesn't
cut the proverbial mustard.
Keep a Marine battery on hand and keep it charged. One can work any number
of radios from that.

'Nuff said.

Rick Frazier wrote:
You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now. Why
don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under?

At this point, even a relative moron should get the point that there are
a bunch of people that really don't give a damn about CW. That you do is
not the point, but your continual posts about it are the point.
Therefore, your continual posts lead me to believe you should be seeking
mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about you get a
life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands right now?

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change and
new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be ****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish to
push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic is
spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for arguments.

Now, to provide a response to your query: It is extremely unlikely that
with all the means we have for contact in the case of an emergency, that
CW would be the only way to make contact, particularly if you live in
anything near an urban evironment in mainland US. First and foremost,
there has to be someone else that will respond to you, and given the
things going on with the hobby lately, I doubt that CW will be the
safety net you'd like to believe it is.

For myself, I have HF and VHF in both the house and vehicle, and have
the VHF radios all programmed with all of the local police and fire
frequencies. In a true emergency, I wouldn't lose a moment's time
worrying about whether it was legal or not before I keyed up on a public
service/fire/police frequency if it meant saving somebody. Would CW
help? Not very damn likely, as first I'd have to key up the HF rig, get
to someone that could relay, pass a message, hope like hell that they
actually did call the proper authority, (and were believed), and so on.
You can bet I'll get attention right away if I key up on any of the
public service frequencies, and they damn well will respond, if for no
other reason than to find me. If that's what it takes, so be it, they
can fight it out in court later, and I'd get so much media attention
they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

--Rick AH7H

Slow Code wrote:

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life, but you should learn
it anyway just in case. Ham radio is like a spare tire, when you need it
you hope it's not flat. CW is like the air in the tire. I know I don't
ever want to hear someone say: "Why couldn't you get help, I though hams
were supposed to know morse code."

Sc

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

"Slow Code" is a relic of the 1930s, mentally over 70 years in the
past.

wrote:
Rick Frazier wrote:
You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now. Why
don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under?

--Rick AH7H

Slow Code wrote:

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life, but you should learn
it anyway just in case. Ham radio is like a spare tire, when you need it
you hope it's not flat. CW is like the air in the tire. I know I don't
ever want to hear someone say: "Why couldn't you get help, I though hams
were supposed to know morse code."

Sc

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

"Slow Code" is a relic of the 1930s, mentally over 70 years in the
past.
indeed it is interesting that Slow code seems stuck in era before he
was born do I have to apologize to Sceintology nuts

an old friend wrote:
wrote:
Rick Frazier wrote:
You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now. Why
don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under?

--Rick AH7H

Slow Code wrote:

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life, but you should learn
it anyway just in case. Ham radio is like a spare tire, when you need it
you hope it's not flat. CW is like the air in the tire. I know I don't
ever want to hear someone say: "Why couldn't you get help, I though hams
were supposed to know morse code."

Sc

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

"Slow Code" is a relic of the 1930s, mentally over 70 years in the
past.
indeed it is interesting that Slow code seems stuck in era before he
was born do I have to apologize to Sceintology nuts

Mark, you don't have to apologize to anyone.

If Slow Code isn't a throwback to 7 decades ago, he is one example
of a thoroughly brainwashed morseman imprinted with the Beliefs
of 70 years ago...and all the mythos of "code saves lives" that
spread like kudzu after the Titanic disaster of 1912.

" wrote in
oups.com:


Rick Frazier wrote:
You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now.
Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from
under?

At this point, even a relative moron should get the point that there
are a bunch of people that really don't give a damn about CW. That you
do is not the point, but your continual posts about it are the point.
Therefore, your continual posts lead me to believe you should be
seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change
and new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be
****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish
to push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic
is spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for
arguments.

Now, to provide a response to your query: It is extremely unlikely
that with all the means we have for contact in the case of an
emergency, that CW would be the only way to make contact, particularly
if you live in anything near an urban evironment in mainland US.
First and foremost, there has to be someone else that will respond to
you, and given the things going on with the hobby lately, I doubt that
CW will be the safety net you'd like to believe it is.

For myself, I have HF and VHF in both the house and vehicle, and have
the VHF radios all programmed with all of the local police and fire
frequencies. In a true emergency, I wouldn't lose a moment's time
worrying about whether it was legal or not before I keyed up on a
public service/fire/police frequency if it meant saving somebody.
Would CW help? Not very damn likely, as first I'd have to key up the
HF rig, get to someone that could relay, pass a message, hope like hell
that they actually did call the proper authority, (and were believed),
and so on.
You can bet I'll get attention right away if I key up on any of the
public service frequencies, and they damn well will respond, if for no
other reason than to find me. If that's what it takes, so be it, they
can fight it out in court later, and I'd get so much media attention
they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

--Rick AH7H

Slow Code wrote:

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life, but you should
learn it anyway just in case. Ham radio is like a spare tire, when
you need it you hope it's not flat. CW is like the air in the tire.
I know I don't ever want to hear someone say: "Why couldn't you get
help, I though hams were supposed to know morse code."

Sc

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.



And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

Sc

Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.



And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

trolling right along

"an old friend" wrote in
oups.com:


Slow Code wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.



And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

trolling right along


Are you puting any effort into learning CW Mark or are you just being lazy
waiting for things to get dumbed down some more?

SC

From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm


" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:

You've insisted on posting this crap so many times just about anyone
with more than two or three brain cells would be sick of it by now.
Why don't you just crawl back under the rock you crawled out from
under?

At this point, even a relative moron should get the point that there
are a bunch of people that really don't give a damn about CW. That you
do is not the point, but your continual posts about it are the point.
Therefore, your continual posts lead me to believe you should be
seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change
and new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be
****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish
to push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic
is spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for
arguments.

Nobody responding to your CQs, "Slow?" Is that why you are so
up-tight and angry in this forum?

Now, to provide a response to your query: It is extremely unlikely
that with all the means we have for contact in the case of an
emergency, that CW would be the only way to make contact, particularly
if you live in anything near an urban evironment in mainland US.
First and foremost, there has to be someone else that will respond to
you, and given the things going on with the hobby lately, I doubt that
CW will be the safety net you'd like to believe it is.

For myself, I have HF and VHF in both the house and vehicle, and have
the VHF radios all programmed with all of the local police and fire
frequencies. In a true emergency, I wouldn't lose a moment's time
worrying about whether it was legal or not before I keyed up on a
public service/fire/police frequency if it meant saving somebody.
Would CW help? Not very damn likely, as first I'd have to key up the
HF rig, get to someone that could relay, pass a message, hope like hell
that they actually did call the proper authority, (and were believed),
and so on.
You can bet I'll get attention right away if I key up on any of the
public service frequencies, and they damn well will respond, if for no
other reason than to find me. If that's what it takes, so be it, they
can fight it out in court later, and I'd get so much media attention
they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

You haven't answered that from a licensed amateur Extra, "Slow."
Why haven't you? Is it possible you don't know of anything in
radio except what the ARRL has spoon-fed you?


I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

"Slow," you've earned that "plonk" many times over.

--Rick AH7H

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here. You can't discuss anything
reasonable-like, only cuss at those who disagree with you. :-)

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

I don't know any "Dr Death," "Slow," nor do I operate on
"11 meters."

Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Beep, beep

wrote:
From: Slow Code on Fri, Sep 1 2006 5:36 pm


" wrote in
Rick Frazier wrote:

seeking mental help. If you don't think you need therapy, how about
you get a life and if you are so Pro-CW, why aren't you on the bands
right now?

Excellent question, "Slow." Why didn't you answer it?
becuase the answer is that there is nobody on we wants to "talk' to

Though I'm an Extra and passed the CW requirements shouldn't make a
difference if I choose to operate phone. If the requirements change
and new Hams aren't required to take the code test, am I going to be
****ed?
Hell no, because I took the tests when I did because I wanted to be a
productive part of this hobby, not wait for an easier ticket in. I
learned it, just as a huge number of others have, but none of us wish
to push it like you seem to want to. Even the most die-hard CW fanatic
is spending his time on the bands, not on the internet trolling for
arguments.

Nobody responding to your CQs, "Slow?" Is that why you are so
up-tight and angry in this forum?

and still holding forlorn hope the FCC will somehow make people see the
light and use CW

the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by listening
to the ARRL what 50 years ago

they wouldn't dare push it very far. On the other hand, the likelihood
of actually being believed using standard, HF and CW procedures, or
getting help in a timely manner to actually save a life is an extremely
remote chance...

You haven't answered that from a licensed amateur Extra, "Slow."
Why haven't you? Is it possible you don't know of anything in
radio except what the ARRL has spoon-fed you?
perhaps not even that


I rarely filter anyone, but you've definitely earned the "plonk" of
being filtered. Say Bye-Bye ! ! !

"Slow," you've earned that "plonk" many times over.

--Rick AH7H

Thank you, Rick! You spoke volumes of reality in this new
millennium.

And you're still just as stupid as you were before you read it.

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here. You can't discuss anything
reasonable-like, only cuss at those who disagree with you. :-)

yet I do wonder if he isn't Robeson somedays but I am pretty sure he is
just another bitter old that bought into "incetive Licesning) the brain
child of the ARRL

Now go bull**** with Dr Death on 11 meters, and don't come back until you
pull your head out of your ass.

I don't know any "Dr Death," "Slow," nor do I operate on
"11 meters."

Further, you are ten kinds of short on ability to threaten.
Your threats and "orders" become recycled electrons doing
nothing but dissipating a tiny bit of heat. yawn

amasing how they keep resorting to threats and orders

Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Beep, beep

wrote:

Now, now, "Slow," you are starting to sound like one of those
inbred bigoted morsemen in here.


Take YOUR beloved morse code test and shove it up YOUR ass.
Push real hard...there seems to be an obstruction there.
Must be your own four neurons in the way.

Beep, beep

Gee, Len....do you think posting that way will cause people to change
their minds and agree with you?

Do you think FCC would be convinced by such arguments?

Is that sort of posting your idea of how a "professional" behaves?