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What is the ARRL's thought on having good amateurs?
Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Slow Code wrote: Larry, Dee and Me are the only pro 'Keep the code test' people in the group anymore. SC Then the presentation of sound reasoning has been successful. No most of them have left due to the spam created by Mark Morgan, I see Mark Morgan as the necessary balance in the vicious postings by Robesin. He doesn't need to create dozens of posts to refute each one. You don't get to decide that. Has Robesin accused you of lesbian encounters or pedophilia? When he does, I'll be sure to keep track of the ratio of Robesin postings to Dee postings. Well if such an odd thing should ever happen, I'll killfile him. I refuse to get sucked into such stupidity. And one day when your job depends on a security background investigation and accusations of homosexuality, pedophilia, and rape... Many of Mark's posts are and were quite vicious. Um, yeh. It's really awful, isn't it? Almost as bad as accusing people of rape. I killfiled Morgan the day he made unacceptable comments about Steve's deceased daughter. Did you know that his daughter was severly retarded, and he makes jokes about "the short bus" on RRAP? I doubt that his daughter was well off enough to ride the short bus that Robesin pokes fun at.. I don't particularly care for either one's tactics and stay out of that mess. Fair enough. We actually have very little in common. We both claim to be amateur radio operator and military veterans. I got chopped to the US Army twice, so I know a little bit about the Army. I also got chopped to the US Navy once, and there and at service schools, and in Somalia, was fairly close to the USMC. As far as amateur radio goes, the only one of these bozos I've ever QSO'd was Heil when I was DX on Guam. the interminable pontification of Len Anderson, Yeh, well, we have Jim who served in other ways. I'm sure he has something to be proud of, too, but so far he hasn't mentioned it in other ways. I happen to remember the post. He said that one can serve in other ways. He did not say whether he himself served in the military or in other ways. Even worse. Yet based on that comment, Len Anderson and others have made ASSumptions. Jim's had YEARS to clarify, and he's been questioned SPECIFICALLY about that comment. the compulsive responses that some seem to feel that they must post to the spam, the vulgarity of people like Opus, I guess you conveniently forgot Dan and Bruce's postings to Kim.... Long time ago, but I think I mentioned it was stupid of them. Stupid? It was sexual harassment. That's illegal isn't it? Hard to say. One would have to weigh it against the specific wording of the law and adjudicated cases to determine if it was or was not illegal. Good side-step. Are Bruce and Dan in your killfile? Are "thier" anonymous characters in your killfile? However, she's an adult and is capable of dealing with these people on her own. Yeh, right. You didn't like her politics, so she's on her own. How do you come to that conclusion? I know very little about her politics and it wouldn't matter if I did. As I recall, she defended her choice far better than I or anyone else could have done it for her. I supported her right to choose a legally available call sign even though I thought her choice a little strange. It's not within my power to make others accept it. Talk about not just sexist, but bonifide sexual harassment (and Jim never once chimed in to say boo).... As tasteless and tacky as it was, it may not have actually meet the legal definition of sexual harassment. She was not threatened with a job loss or with an overall loss in her quality of life. Discussion groups are not for the faint of heart, especially ones like these newsgroups. Participation in these news groups does not contribute to quality of life in any significant way. It is an idle and insignificant form of recreation. She chose the call sign. I believe she did. Yup. A simple check of the call sign database shows that it is a vanity call. So it was hers by choice. I don't recall for sure but didn't she say she did it on a dare? Never filled out a Form 610 while drunk? Me either. It's not up to him or me or any one else to defend her other than to say it was her right. I believe that I commented that I thought it was a poor choice but it was up to her. I believe you did just that. So when a YL wearing a slit skirt and a push-up bra gets raped...? Not the same thing at all and you very well know it. True, by magnitudes. But it's still abuse. Her overall quality of life is seriously affected and her life could even be in danger. Besides rapists don't care what the victim is wearing. They are looking for some one they can successfully dominate and terrorize. The shy school girl in the dowdy clothes hurrying home with her books clutched to her chest is just as likely or even more likely to be raped than the brazen hookers down on Eight Mile (that's a Detroit reference). Dee from Deetroit? I like Michigan but Detroit isn't my favorite place. Was she asking for it and is she on her own? See my comment above. If I saw some one being threatened with violence and it were within my power to do something about it, I would. It wouldn't matter if it were that shy school girl or that brazen hooker. Today, I'd have to limit myself to calling for help but in my younger, more fit days, I'd also have taken an active (i.e. physical) part in her defense. Fair enough. the slamming that people like Slow Code do to those who licensed or will license under the current system and so on. He's only saying what the PCTA Extras would like to say without their callsigns attached to it. I'm a pro code test advocate and an Extra. I would never have guessed. I would never hide behind anonymity. Jim does. And I do not hold the candidates responsible for the quality or extent of the tests. They have no choice in the matter. What the new ham does have a choice in is to either stagnate or progress. He can gain the experience to then join in discussions and contribute or he can put his foot in his mouth with such inexperienced statements as "you need an amplifier to work DX" or "you can't work Texas from Michigan on VHF". However even then, I try to avoid anything that could be taken as a put down because I want them to stay in ham radio and grow and develop. I'll invite them over to work a contest with my measly 100 watts or I'll introduce them to one of the QRP enthusiasts. I'll invite them to work the VHF station at Field Day and pair them up with one of our VHF experts. It's called being a good ham and an Elmer. No "shack on a belt" quips? Nope. Why should I? It accomplishes nothing. I want people to enjoy ham radio. I want their motivation to develop to be based on the joy they get out of it and the joy they see others get out of it. Sarcasm does not serve that objective. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE I think amateur radio is one of the best hobbies ever, and it can also serve in an emergency communications roll. |
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