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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:34:32 -0500, Dee Flint
wrote: I've never operated satellite and never intend to and have no interest in ever doing so. Yet I had to answer questions on it. Do I think it should be taken out of the test? No, because it is something allowed by my privileges. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Please demonstrate your knowledge of Sat - data - sctv abilities. For your license that is. not just a passing knowledge in the topic but send and receive a 1 minute transmission of each. CW has its place in amateur radio... in history. When code was the primary means of transmitting a message, demonstrating your skill prior to getting your lic. was a great idea. That time has passed. As far as I know, no bandwidth has been off-limits to CW. Makes me wonder at what your rail about. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
STEVE TROOK wrote:
: wish the U.S. would too. do you have some sort of physical/health problem that stops you from passing a simple 5wpm morse test ? |
Jim - NN7K wrote:
: Hey, lets get rid of the WRITTEN test, too- too much work! : and just WHY should an obsolete agency of the Federal Government : have all the fun assigning callsigns ?? 10-4 good buddy ?? : NN7K exactly! i have no interest in doing the pilots test..but all i want is a liitle piece of the airspace at 5000ft to do some simple flying with radio beside me!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..why wont they give me my pilots licence waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... they say i have to do an exam or two.... waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
Sarco wrote:
: It always amazes me that when ever "change" is proposed in any : organization, there are many people who quiver at the thought, and also : boast the downfall of the establishment that will come with the proposed : change. if you evidence of what has happened to amateur bands following the lowering of entry requirements just get some REAL OFF-AIR RECORDINGS OF EUROPEAN HAM RADIO. there are times when 7mhz and 144 sounds more like 27mhz !! |
"Dee Flint" wrote:
: Having no interest in the mode is not a valid reason for dropping it from : testing. There are rational reasons for dropping it (just as there are lets face it. the morse test has kept thpusands of cb'ers off our amateur bans for years. as soon as you mention a morse test,,they run away. anyone who REALLY WANTS HF will do a SIMPLE 5WPM MORSE TEST. |
"DougSlug" wrote:
: All of the emotional arguments about "tradition" and "keeping the riff-raff : out of the hobby" are irrelevant. Anyone who wants to use code will still and when it goes, you will turn amateur radio into multi-band cb radio. standards will fall. respect for the license will fall. problems of deliberate qrm will rise. |
"James King" wrote:
: Please demonstrate your knowledge of Sat - data - sctv abilities. For your : license that is. not just a passing knowledge in the topic but send and : receive a 1 minute transmission of each. : : CW has its place in amateur radio... in history. even though morse is the original DIGITAL MODE ! |
bob wrote:
: Not this Canadian. : : : (Heck, I passed 10 and 15, and people complain about 5?? You can look : the darn letters up on a chart at that that speed.) EXACTLY! |
"Adair Winter" wrote:
: Exactly, people are just lazy, EXACTLY! |
"Caveat Lector" wrote:
: : Should they be tested on SSB, FM, RTTY, ATV, SSTV, and PSK31 also ?? you cant SEND SSB BY ANY HUMAN BODY PART ... DOH! if rtty was 1baud or maybe even 2baud then it would be possible to send the baudot code by hand. YOU CANT SEND ATV BY ANY HUMAN BODY PART unless you have a BIONIC EYE !! etc etc etc : Does not compute your attitude to a simple morse test of only 5wpm does not compute. even a director of no-code-international sat a morse assessment which says a lot about attitudes to getting on hf. |
"jakdedert" wrote:
: IMHO, requiring a code test is like requiring someone to know how to : reupholster their car in order to get a drivers license. It's unlikely that : they will ever use the knowledge. please state if you have tried to learn/pass the morse test. : : OTOH, I've seen a number of very simplistic technical questions posted : lately in this and in other forums, by 'hams' who should know better.... and i've seen plenty of no-coders howl and cry out loud for not being allowed on hf , all because they were being *forced* to learn morse code... and at the same time kept very quiet about being *forced* to learn ohm's law, the series resitor sum, the parallel capacitor formula, the parallel resistor formula, and above all, the relationship between the speed of light,frequency and wavelength and kept very quiet about being *forced* to learn regulations about various regulations governing what callsign letters to use when operating on a boat in a river,,,when some of them will never ever be on a boat in a river in their lives !!! |
Jim - NN7K wrote:
: wants to avoid pedestrians, and other traffic! Lets get rid of ALL : testing materials, and abolish the FCC -- then ANYONE can transmit : ANYWHERE, from DC to LIGHT! No callsign required, nor power limits! : Free speech at last ! Makes as much sense! Jim NN7K TEN FOUR GUD BUDDY. |
"Matt" wrote:
: Ahhhhhh, yes of course and the retention of CW will keep the riff raff out : won't it!! yes it has ..and WILL continue to do so.. it requires effort to pass. and once you put the effort in,, you will value the licence more. those who lose hf access have further to fall (more to lose) |
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"James King" wrote in message news:opsl8nwpaa2sj4v0@dad... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:34:32 -0500, Dee Flint wrote: I've never operated satellite and never intend to and have no interest in ever doing so. Yet I had to answer questions on it. Do I think it should be taken out of the test? No, because it is something allowed by my privileges. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Please demonstrate your knowledge of Sat - data - sctv abilities. For your license that is. not just a passing knowledge in the topic but send and receive a 1 minute transmission of each. CW has its place in amateur radio... in history. When code was the primary means of transmitting a message, demonstrating your skill prior to getting your lic. was a great idea. That time has passed. As far as I know, no bandwidth has been off-limits to CW. Makes me wonder at what your rail about. I wasn't railing at anything. I was merely commenting that not wanting to take a test element is not a justification for eliminating it. The argument that you won't use it is also invalid as one cannot predict the future or changes in interest. There are far better reasons to eliminate it than those two arguments. Though I readily admit that I am a proponent of keeping the test there are reasons that should at least be evaluated and those that are pure hogwash (i.e. not wanting to or not thinking they will use it). Demonstrating satellite, data, or sctv abilities is not practical in a testing environment. The test teams can't afford to have those facilities and even in the days of the FCC testing, they did not have such facilities. By the way, I've already operated data modes and found them utterly boring and gave them up. Satellite and SCTV are not attractive enough to me to invest money in them. The question should be: is CW one of the fundamentals of amateur radio? If so, it should be a requirement somewhere along the line. Age of the mode is irrelevant. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "James King" wrote in message news:opsl8nwpaa2sj4v0@dad... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:34:32 -0500, Dee Flint wrote: I've never operated satellite and never intend to and have no interest in ever doing so. Yet I had to answer questions on it. Do I think it should be taken out of the test? No, because it is something allowed by my privileges. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Please demonstrate your knowledge of Sat - data - sctv abilities. For your license that is. not just a passing knowledge in the topic but send and receive a 1 minute transmission of each. CW has its place in amateur radio... in history. When code was the primary means of transmitting a message, demonstrating your skill prior to getting your lic. was a great idea. That time has passed. As far as I know, no bandwidth has been off-limits to CW. Makes me wonder at what your rail about. I wasn't railing at anything. I was merely commenting that not wanting to take a test element is not a justification for eliminating it. The argument that you won't use it is also invalid as one cannot predict the future or changes in interest. There are far better reasons to eliminate it than those two arguments. Though I readily admit that I am a proponent of keeping the test there are reasons that should at least be evaluated and those that are pure hogwash (i.e. not wanting to or not thinking they will use it). Demonstrating satellite, data, or sctv abilities is not practical in a testing environment. The test teams can't afford to have those facilities and even in the days of the FCC testing, they did not have such facilities. By the way, I've already operated data modes and found them utterly boring and gave them up. Satellite and SCTV are not attractive enough to me to invest money in them. The question should be: is CW one of the fundamentals of amateur radio? If so, it should be a requirement somewhere along the line. Age of the mode is irrelevant. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE My humble opinion is "It would be better to drop code and up the technical". There are more than enough amateurs who know little about radio as it is... |
ZZZPK wrote:
Jim - NN7K wrote: Hey, lets get rid of the WRITTEN test, too- too much work! and just WHY should an obsolete agency of the Federal Government have all the fun assigning callsigns ?? 10-4 good buddy ?? NN7K exactly! i have no interest in doing the pilots test..but all i want is a liitle piece of the airspace at 5000ft to do some simple flying with radio beside me!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..why wont they give me my pilots licence Buy an ultralight. You won't need a license.... jak waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... they say i have to do an exam or two.... waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
"jakdedert" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: snip My humble opinion is "It would be better to drop code and up the technical". There are more than enough amateurs who know little about radio as it is... ...or electronics in general. The other day there was a 'ham' (posting on sci.electronics.repair) who was confused as to how much current a 12v p.s. had to source in order to run his mobile rig at home. They don't test on Ohm's Law....?!! jak Apparently he couldn't read either! RTFM and I'll bet it gives the supply needs... |
Jim wrote:
snip My humble opinion is "It would be better to drop code and up the technical". There are more than enough amateurs who know little about radio as it is... ....or electronics in general. The other day there was a 'ham' (posting on sci.electronics.repair) who was confused as to how much current a 12v p.s. had to source in order to run his mobile rig at home. They don't test on Ohm's Law....?!! jak |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:00:59 -0600, "jakdedert"
wrote: ...or electronics in general. The other day there was a 'ham' (posting on sci.electronics.repair) who was confused as to how much current a 12v p.s. had to source in order to run his mobile rig at home. They don't test on Ohm's Law....?!! Watt's that? ;-) Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
"James King" wrote in message news:opsl8nwpaa2sj4v0@dad... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:34:32 -0500, Dee Flint wrote: I've never operated satellite and never intend to and have no interest in ever doing so. Yet I had to answer questions on it. Do I think it should be taken out of the test? No, because it is something allowed by my privileges. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Please demonstrate your knowledge of Sat - data - sctv abilities. For your license that is. not just a passing knowledge in the topic but send and receive a 1 minute transmission of each. CW has its place in amateur radio... in history. When code was the primary means of transmitting a message, demonstrating your skill prior to getting your lic. was a great idea. That time has passed. As far as I know, no bandwidth has been off-limits to CW. Makes me wonder at what your rail about. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ I use only morse on H.F.Because that is my preference , but that does not mean I insist on everyone using it. If you don't like it, or cannot achieve the necessary standard then please let us who want to, use it in peace. Have you any idea how many stations using morse can get in the same space as one voice tx ? It saves a lot of space that would not be available if we all used voice. Thanks for listening. TED |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 00:57:36 +0000, ZZZPK wrote:
"Matt" wrote: : Ahhhhhh, yes of course and the retention of CW will keep the riff raff out : won't it!! yes it has ..and WILL continue to do so.. it requires effort to pass. Hmmm. Australia dropped the morse requirement on Jan 1 2004 and the hordes of "riff raff" never arrived! On-air behaviour is as always, with good or bad not being tied to whether someone "did the test". and once you put the effort in,, you will value the licence more. Agree completely. those who lose hf access have further to fall (more to lose) Not sure where this is comming from. However my take on the whole issue is that testing should be relevant to operator privilege. So, and this is by way of EXAMPLE ONLY.... A basic test for all amateurs that gives basic privileges on some bands, with limited power and type approved equipment. Then you go for extra things, like Higher power. More bands. Certification to use homebuilt/modified transmitters etc, etc. This would mean 1. Attaining "full" privilages would actually be HARDER than now. 2. Testing is RELEVANT to what the operator wants to do and is demonstrably technically able to do. ....AND.... in the spirit of the above, you COULD have a morse test to use certain parts of the spectrum for morse (and would of course be expected to operate there according to an agreed minimum standard). Mind you, I think this would be opening Pandora's Box whereby there might be a stampede to grab slices of spectrum exclusively for EVERY MODE POSSIBLE!!!! Bottom line. There's enough room for everyone to do their thing. Testing should demonstrate that they are capable of doing it competently. -- Stephen Quigg VK2TUM |
"ZZZPK" .es.it.net wrote in message ... Jim - NN7K wrote: : Hey, lets get rid of the WRITTEN test, too- too much work! : and just WHY should an obsolete agency of the Federal Government : have all the fun assigning callsigns ?? 10-4 good buddy ?? : NN7K exactly! i have no interest in doing the pilots test..but all i want is a liitle piece of the airspace at 5000ft to do some simple flying with radio beside me!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..why wont they give me my pilots licence waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... they say i have to do an exam or two.... waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh If all you want do do is Fly Experimental- No license required- have a Ball :-) Where did you come up with an exam for that? |
I used musicstacker to automatically play and record music that I got from
Napstar and iTune. You can get a copy from www.musicstacker.com These are the steps. (1) Install and run musicstacker (2) Select the source directory; this is where you have your, music files, iTune, or Napster downloaded files. (3) Select the destination directory. (4) Select the music that you want to record. Click "Play and Record". (5) When the music finish playing then you can use the file in the destination directory with any iPud, MP3 player, or Burn It to Disk. Or go to www.musicstacker.com for more info and a copy "Paw-Paw" wrote in message ... "ZZZPK" .es.it.net wrote in message ... Jim - NN7K wrote: : Hey, lets get rid of the WRITTEN test, too- too much work! : and just WHY should an obsolete agency of the Federal Government : have all the fun assigning callsigns ?? 10-4 good buddy ?? : NN7K exactly! i have no interest in doing the pilots test..but all i want is a liitle piece of the airspace at 5000ft to do some simple flying with radio beside me!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..why wont they give me my pilots licence waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... they say i have to do an exam or two.... waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh If all you want do do is Fly Experimental- No license required- have a Ball :-) Where did you come up with an exam for that? |
Does this work on the HF bands or just on VHF/UHF?
sbcmynews wrote: I used musicstacker to automatically play and record music that I got from Napstar and iTune. You can get a copy from www.musicstacker.com These are the steps. (1) Install and run musicstacker (2) Select the source directory; this is where you have your, music files, iTune, or Napster downloaded files. (3) Select the destination directory. (4) Select the music that you want to record. Click "Play and Record". (5) When the music finish playing then you can use the file in the destination directory with any iPud, MP3 player, or Burn It to Disk. Or go to www.musicstacker.com for more info and a copy |
I think it is a EF Johnson Bumbnet platform.
"LAFAYETTE RADIO ELECTRONICS" wrote in message ... Does this work on the HF bands or just on VHF/UHF? sbcmynews wrote: I used musicstacker to automatically play and record music that I got from Napstar and iTune. You can get a copy from www.musicstacker.com These are the steps. (1) Install and run musicstacker (2) Select the source directory; this is where you have your, music files, iTune, or Napster downloaded files. (3) Select the destination directory. (4) Select the music that you want to record. Click "Play and Record". (5) When the music finish playing then you can use the file in the destination directory with any iPud, MP3 player, or Burn It to Disk. Or go to www.musicstacker.com for more info and a copy |
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