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-- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... This seems to be the best info on the eBay rules for posting on Usenet newsgroups: "eBay users may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to eBay, we may among other remedies remove the listing, issue a warning, or suspend the user's eBay account. Please note that eBay can only take action in cases where it's clear it was an eBay member who posted to the Usenet group inappropriately." As you can see.. It is permitted by eBay to post a link to your eBay auction listing IF and only IF it is appropriate for that newsgroup. If the newsgroup permits it, then go for it if you want... If it is against the policy of that newsgroup, then it can be reported to eBay and your ISP who each may take actions. Who determines what can be posted on WHAT newsgroup? Where can these rules be found? Who decides what is appropriate? My rantings aside, this entire episode will be a good learning experience for us all. Apparently, if I go to eBay with a FA posting and tell them it's against the newsgroup rules, that person is in violation and subject to all kinds of actions... Dan |
Dan here is what you do....
Grab some Ebay logo, and take a picture of it, Post it in the auction like you would any item with photos not forgetting to put the Registered sign next to the Ebay logo. Just entitle it " EBAY ARE TYRANTS " and explain your case in the description and put a 0.01 cent value on the ad. I'll bet you it wont take a minute before they get back to you. Furthermore, any emaikl you send to Ebay should be accompanied with a CC: to your local consumer advocacy group, any Newsnet service you like and even the newspapers if you have too. It's by rattling the cage that you awake the animal. Let us know how you make out. -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Sorry for budding in Dan, But what you say is very true about Ebay. I recently posted a switch key for sale and the bids were going great until Ebay pulled the rug from under me removing the add saying that the key I was selling received complaints from "certain " people and that it was still in use today...blah blah blah. Who the hell does Ebay think they are ? The authorities watch dog ? Sorry to hear about it. Isn't it a sick, sinking feeling when an auction you are running is suddenly yanked? At least you were given a reason. I have now sent in THREE inquiries asking why the listing was removed, with NO response from eBay. Apparently they are arrogant now that they remove your auction and don't even tell you why. Christ I pay at least 200$ a month in advertising not to mention the substantial "cuts" Paypal takes off MY earnings. Needless to say that I for one am very ****ed also and especially sickened by the abusive Capitalistic Tyrant ways Ebay demonstrates. TOO BAD we dont have other options as popular as FleaBay. Someone else will invent a better mousetrap, make a billion bucks and get as big and arrogant as ePAY. It's a vicious cycle. Dan |
Dan , Forgot to mention, I had a BOSS once who ****ed me off so bad I wanted
to Kill him. Instead, what I did was PURCHASE a YEARS SUBSCRIPTION to some hardcore GAY S&M MAGAZINE ( paid cash off course ). And what I did was On the APPLICATION, I WROTE HIS NAME, BUT his 3 rd door NEIGHBOR'S ADDRESS...... So guess what, the guy who received it made it a point to deliver it to MY BOSS in person. I would have loved to be there when he handed the S&M Gay magazine to him. Sometimes it costs very little to get even with people and all along giving you the satisfaction of a job well done.....( I still rejoice today just thinking about it )....ha ha ha -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Sorry for budding in Dan, But what you say is very true about Ebay. I recently posted a switch key for sale and the bids were going great until Ebay pulled the rug from under me removing the add saying that the key I was selling received complaints from "certain " people and that it was still in use today...blah blah blah. Who the hell does Ebay think they are ? The authorities watch dog ? Sorry to hear about it. Isn't it a sick, sinking feeling when an auction you are running is suddenly yanked? At least you were given a reason. I have now sent in THREE inquiries asking why the listing was removed, with NO response from eBay. Apparently they are arrogant now that they remove your auction and don't even tell you why. Christ I pay at least 200$ a month in advertising not to mention the substantial "cuts" Paypal takes off MY earnings. Needless to say that I for one am very ****ed also and especially sickened by the abusive Capitalistic Tyrant ways Ebay demonstrates. TOO BAD we dont have other options as popular as FleaBay. Someone else will invent a better mousetrap, make a billion bucks and get as big and arrogant as ePAY. It's a vicious cycle. Dan |
Dan here is what you do.... Grab some Ebay logo, and take a picture of it, Post it in the auction like you would any item with photos not forgetting to put the Registered sign next to the Ebay logo. Just entitle it " EBAY ARE TYRANTS " and explain your case in the description and put a 0.01 cent value on the ad. I'll bet you it wont take a minute before they get back to you. Furthermore, any emaikl you send to Ebay should be accompanied with a CC: to your local consumer advocacy group, any Newsnet service you like and even the newspapers if you have too. It's by rattling the cage that you awake the animal. Let us know how you make out. I was very upset at first, as these threads indicate. I have cooled off now, and learned a bit along the way as well. Much of this problem I brought upon myself. I can learn from it and move on. I may NEVER get an answer from eBay. So be it. I've been on these groups for years, and should have known the the type of folks who lurk here. I didn't do anything underhanded or deceitful in my initial actions, and I don't plan on starting now. Dan |
Dan , Forgot to mention, I had a BOSS once who ****ed me off so bad I wanted to Kill him. Instead, what I did was PURCHASE a YEARS SUBSCRIPTION to some hardcore GAY S&M MAGAZINE ( paid cash off course ). And what I did was On the APPLICATION, I WROTE HIS NAME, BUT his 3 rd door NEIGHBOR'S ADDRESS...... So guess what, the guy who received it made it a point to deliver it to MY BOSS in person. I would have loved to be there when he handed the S&M Gay magazine to him. Sometimes it costs very little to get even with people and all along giving you the satisfaction of a job well done.....( I still rejoice today just thinking about it )....ha ha ha Very funny stuff indeed, but despite what most think of me here, I am not that type of person. Once again... I didn't do anything underhanded or deceitful in my initial actions, and I don't plan on starting now. Dan |
Evan Platt wrote in
: http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay/usenet-policy.html Thanks, Evan, but that only points to a violation of a newsgroup policy. According to the policy you cited above, EBay itself does not have a problem with newsgroup postings unless the policy of the newgroup itself is violated.... which leads to... is there an "official" policy of rec.radio.swap prohibiting the posting of auction items.... and more particularly, those EBay items available for sale as a "Buy it Now" item? Ed |
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:13:23 GMT, Dan Conti wrote:
This seems to be the best info on the eBay rules for posting on Usenet newsgroups: "eBay users may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to eBay, we may among other remedies remove the listing, issue a warning, or suspend the user's eBay account. Please note that eBay can only take action in cases where it's clear it was an eBay member who posted to the Usenet group inappropriately." As you can see.. It is permitted by eBay to post a link to your eBay auction listing IF and only IF it is appropriate for that newsgroup. If the newsgroup permits it, then go for it if you want... If it is against the policy of that newsgroup, then it can be reported to eBay and your ISP who each may take actions. Who determines what can be posted on WHAT newsgroup? The answer to this kind of depends on the newsgroup hierarchy. For an alt.* group (such as alt.radio.scanner), practically anyone with sufficient knowledge of usenet to send out a control message to newgroup the group can create a new alt.* group - the trick is convincing news admin on various servers to carry the group on their servers. The alt.* hierarchy is an ALTernative to the mainstream (comp.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, soc.*, sci.*, etc.) hierarchy. It's basically a refuge from the mainstream newsgroup guidelines. The catch here is that sometimes alt.* groups are eventually moved to the mainstream hierarchy. This is exactly what happened to alt.radio.scanner which was moved to the rec.* hierarchy - and was replaced by rec.radio.scanner. Now, the alt.radio.scanner group was never removed from the alt.* hierarchy (primarily because news server software is usually set up to ignore "remove group" messages - once an alt.* group is successfully created and carried on mainstream Usenet servers it pretty much exists forever)...but it was indeed replaced by rec.radio.scanner, and you (and everyone else on Usenet) technically are supposed to use rec.radio.scanner instead. As for who determines what can be posted to rec.radio.scanner, that's what the newsgroup's charter and FAQ is for. Which brings us to your next question: Where can these rules be found? The charter and FAQs for most newsgroups in the mainstream hierarchy can be found on the World Wide Web by searching for them using a search engine. The one for rec.radio.scanner reads as follows: "rec.radio.scanner is a newsgroup for discussion about "utility" traffic above 30 MHz. FM & TV-broadcasting, shortwave, amateur radio and broadcast satellite-related material doesn't belong to rec.radio.scanner because they have their own newsgroups. This newsgroup replaces alt.radio.scanner. In addition, the rec.radio.scanner will be gatewayed to a mailing list which will be created as soon as possible after newsgroup creation, as there are many who do not have access to USENET news." http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/....radio.scanner has the complete archive of the entire process of rec.radio.scanner's creation from the first proposal through the voting process. Including the charter quoted above. Who decides what is appropriate? If the group is moderated, as many are, this decision is made by the group's moderator(s). As an unmoderated newsgroup, rec.radio.scanner (like any other unmoderated group) depends on users and news administrators whose servers carry the group to voluntarily comply with the written charter as well as written and unwritten rules (netiquette). These are generally established over time, and is a big reason why most Usenet FAQs advise newcomers to "lurk" for awhile and observe how things are done in a group before they begin posting to the group - in unmoderated groups, the question of what is and is not appropriate for posting to a particular group is largely decided by convention among the users who read and post to the group. Judging from the responses you've gotten thus far in this and the two other threads spawned on this subject, I'd say it would appear the majority of users in alt.radio.scanner and rec.radio.scanner, at least, who've expressed an opinion on the matter would seem to consider your FA: postings inappropriate. Remember that in the beginning, Usenet was largely confined to educational institutions, governmental agencies, research companies and other commercial enterprises with UNIX machines on site. It has now grown to include millions of users at commercial sites such as AOL and at companies around the world involved in every sort of business imaginable. Nevertheless, many of the customs found on Usenet today have their origins in the days when Usenet was very small and most Usenet sites were universities. That these customs and traditions began when Usenet was much smaller and quite different in nature in no way lessens the anger many users feel when these customs and traditions are violated. One such custom is the tradition and belief that it is rude to advertise for profit in Usenet newsgroups. Advertising is widely seen as an "off-topic" intrusion into the discussions of any particular newsgroup. Due to the decentralized nature of Usenet, there is no one person or body which can "enforce" the custom of staying on-topic. It falls on each user to help preserve the culture of open discussion and free speech that Usenet has come to embody by not posting off-topic material. This, of course, includes advertising. Advertising is by far the most pervasive form of off-topic posting, and therefore, gets most of the heat. My rantings aside, this entire episode will be a good learning experience for us all. Apparently, if I go to eBay with a FA posting and tell them it's against the newsgroup rules, that person is in violation and subject to all kinds of actions... This applies not only to E-Bay, but also to Internet Service Providers. In my opinion, a responsible response to a complaint would be to examine the material that was posted and is the subject of complaint, compare to the group's charter and FAQ (if available) to see if the complaint is well-founded or not, and go from there. Unfortunately, most network administrators simply don't have time to do all that, especially with a large outfit like AOL or E-Bay or Google, etc. - and in cases where the matter of whether a post is appropriate or not depends more on user convention in the group, it may be almost impossible for a net admin to determine unless he/she happens to read the group regularly - so either they ignore complaints until they get served with legal papers, OR they take action on complaints that are not well-founded, allowing an innocent victim to maybe get his/her account yanked based on a complaint someone else filed purely as a form of harassment. Which of these is the worst extreme depends, I suppose, on one's point of view. Suffice to say, though, that anyone who continues to post material that he *knows* is considered inappropriate by most of the users in a newsgroup, should not be angry at anyone but himself if the consequences turn out to be rather unpleasant. Again, all of this applies mainly to the two scanner newsgroups. The rec.radio.swap newsgroup was *created* for the purpose of advertising radio equipment for sale, auction, or trade. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/radio/swap-guide/ ....has the FAQ for this newsgroup, which happens to contain the following paragraph: "It has become common practice to append "FS" ("For Sale"), "WTB" ("Want To Buy"), or "WTT" ("Want To Trade") to the subject line of an ad. With the new online auction service, eBay, we ask that you include "FA" ("For Auction") and also "eBay" to your subject line if you choose to place an auction notice. (Note that a recent straw poll revealed that many readers are not happy seeing auction notices on r.r.swap - post such notices at your own risk! If you fail to append "FA" and "eBay" in your subject line, you will surely be flamed.)" Nose around on the faqs.org site and you can find FAQs for other newsgroups as well. One of the things you'll notice is that most groups are intended for discussion, not for advertising - rec.radio.swap being the notable exception in this family of groups. In other words, those who insist on posting advertisements to these groups do so at their own risk. It matters little that a hundred other people may be doing it too - that does not reduce (and in fact probably increases) the anger felt by users when they see such advertising where it rightfully does not belong. For what it's worth, Dan, as I see it you have two separate issues here, one with E-Bay and one with the users in these newsgroups. So far as E-Bay is concerned, I do not do business with E-Bay either as a seller or as a buyer. I do not buy items sight unseen, period. So, I've no axe to grind with respect to E-Bay - though it occurs to me that your relationship with E-Bay is a voluntary one, and you're of course always free to stop doing business with E-Bay. But insofar as the folks on the newsgroups are concerned? Yes, you're right, more than half the stuff that comes through some of these newsgroups is off topic BS. You think it's bad in the scanner groups? Check out rec.radio.shortwave where half the morons in the group seem to think it's some kind of political discussion group where it's open season on whoever happens to be the current POTUS! But Dan, that doesn't make it okay for you or anyone else to add to it. Two wrongs don't make a right; two thousand wrongs don't make a right. If you think back to how angry you felt when your auction was cancelled by E-Bay...you have some idea of how many people feel every time they download their usenet mail and find it full of stuff that shouldn't be there. Personally, I use a real newsreader that can, indeed, filter out things based on keywords in the subject, by sender, and by several other criteria as well - as you suggested upthread. The thing is, the newsreader still has to download the headers and then apply the filters to get rid of it - which means I not only have to waste *my* time to create the filters, I also have to waste more of *my* time and *my* bandwidth downloading the headers from all this off-topic and unwanted stuff that shouldn't be there before my newsreader can get rid of it all. Since I pay for my access to the Internet, this means that in effect, everyone who refuses to voluntarily abide by Netiquette force me (and who knows how many others who read these groups as well) to pay for the time and bandwidth expended to download stuff that I shouldn't have to deal with in the first place. Again, it matters not whether there's one person doing it or a thousand, all who do are equally guilty, and this is truly a case where if you're not part of the solution by voluntarily adhering to netiquette, then you're part of the problem. John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) zIRC #monitor Admin |
John,
Thank you for a most educational and informed response. Once again, I learned much from you, and agree 100%. I've said it before, I take full responsibility for the FA postings, and have paid the price. Your also correct that justifying it with the fact that others do it as well is wrong. Dan |
Charging $20 for using pay pal in underhanded. No it isn't. First, it wasn't $20.00, it was $10.00. In your rush to blast me, you should get your facts straight first. Second, the eBay auction that was pulled made NO mention of ANYONE paying ANY Paypal fees. Third, I put that is a FOR SALE post on the radio groups in error. I did not know it was against the rules. When someone told me it was, I retracted the statement in the same post. Now, I've seen others charge buyers the PAYPAL fee and get away with it, that's why I thought it OK. DOes that make it right, NO, and as I said, I immediately corrected my error. However, it may be against eBay and PAYPAL rules to ask for the PAYPAL fee, but how is it underhanded? Keep trying, I can keep this thread going forever.... Dan |
Charging $20 for using pay pal in underhanded. What IS underhanded are the TONS of eBay seller who auction items at what appears to be a reasonable price, then tack on shipping costs 2 or 3 times the cost of the item. It's hidden profit, and THAT my friend is underhanded, yet it is done all the time on eBay. Go after the REAL villains out there pal, and let this one go..OK? Dan |
Good luck anyway Dan.
-- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Dan , Forgot to mention, I had a BOSS once who ****ed me off so bad I wanted to Kill him. Instead, what I did was PURCHASE a YEARS SUBSCRIPTION to some hardcore GAY S&M MAGAZINE ( paid cash off course ). And what I did was On the APPLICATION, I WROTE HIS NAME, BUT his 3 rd door NEIGHBOR'S ADDRESS...... So guess what, the guy who received it made it a point to deliver it to MY BOSS in person. I would have loved to be there when he handed the S&M Gay magazine to him. Sometimes it costs very little to get even with people and all along giving you the satisfaction of a job well done.....( I still rejoice today just thinking about it )....ha ha ha Very funny stuff indeed, but despite what most think of me here, I am not that type of person. Once again... I didn't do anything underhanded or deceitful in my initial actions, and I don't plan on starting now. Dan |
That boss story was pretty good.
My first boss way back when was a scum bag. I sent him a xmas card to the shop. He opened it while talking to the owner of the place. As he opened the card they both saw a un-rolled condom that had Ivory liquid all over it. And I wrote "to Bob, A real prick". It took everything I had not to burst out laughing. Needless to say, I sent him a card for many years. Childish, yes, but the payback in front of the owner... priceless!! Ad Hoc Guy wrote: Good luck anyway Dan. -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Dan , Forgot to mention, I had a BOSS once who ****ed me off so bad I wanted to Kill him. Instead, what I did was PURCHASE a YEARS SUBSCRIPTION to some hardcore GAY S&M MAGAZINE ( paid cash off course ). And what I did was On the APPLICATION, I WROTE HIS NAME, BUT his 3 rd door NEIGHBOR'S ADDRESS...... So guess what, the guy who received it made it a point to deliver it to MY BOSS in person. I would have loved to be there when he handed the S&M Gay magazine to him. Sometimes it costs very little to get even with people and all along giving you the satisfaction of a job well done.....( I still rejoice today just thinking about it )....ha ha ha Very funny stuff indeed, but despite what most think of me here, I am not that type of person. Once again... I didn't do anything underhanded or deceitful in my initial actions, and I don't plan on starting now. Dan |
Ok you think EBay cancelled your auction cause you had placed it FA in
newsgroups? If that's so you should be talking to an attorney instead of spending time here! |
So organize and influence Ebay to change their policy against outside
marketing of auctions. |
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:22:02 GMT, Dan Conti wrote:
Yes, they REALLY did. And guess what? I can't e-mail them because the auction is GONE and I dont' have the information. Poor account management. So you learned a valuable lesson. List if for a $600 buy it now price, and I bet you will have some INBOUND e-mails from people wanting to do a deal for a lower price off of Ebay. And you know what? Doing so would violate YET ANOTHER eBay rule. If you click the link above and read, you will see what it is. If they cancelled the auction, you have no relationship to do the "deal" on Ebay. If they canceled the auction, there is nothing stopping you from doing a private party deal. |
"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in
: Right before 911, I had bought a new Savage Stevens single shot .22 caliber rifle, a model designed similar to the original model of the early 1900s (late 1800s?). Anyway, the rifle had a head spacing problem, and the shells would split and powder would be ejected towards my face, and an unusually load report was hear when this happened. I contacted Savage, they said to return the rifle to them for repair, which I did. Problem is that it was sent to Canada for repair. 911 occurred, and it was the last I saw of the rifle. Savage acknowledged that heightened border security flummoxed the shipment of the rifle, I guess customs got hold of it, and Savage willingly replaced the rifle with no problems. Though I can understand that 911 was a horrible time, I always wondered how many other items disappeared in shipment during those times and continue to disappear even now. And the international situation is becoming farcical in terms of who is allowed to own what, nation to nation. Of course Canada and England permitted the ownership of unblocked scanners, and kudos for them for it. But it is my understanding that at least Canada doesn't allow digital scanners, perhaps someone on this group can set the record straight for me if they can, with the irony being that the U.S. permits it. I listen everyday to the police scanner, still largely analog in my area, and I can see that even though there are occasional problems with someone using a scanner to further illicit activity, the number of occasions when someone provides tips because they were listening to the scanner and have some insight into a particular crime or know the location of someone being chased by the police, easily offsets, I believe, the illicit use. I asked the Mayor of a borough near Pittsburgh about scanners. He was a lifetime cop in the same borough, and he felt that the contribution that law abiding citizens (listening to scanners) make to police work is very valuable. With the borders to Canada and Mexico largely unguarded, it's a farce to pretend that the U.S. is actually doing anything about so called "Homeland Security". Neurotically opening small packages (yet inspecting only 2% of the train rail car size shipping containers coming into the U.S. West Coast from China) and confiscating single shot rifles and unblocked scanners is probably not having any effect, save for the enrichment of those that invariably come into the ownership of items that they didn't pay for. Dr. Artaud Speaking of Ebay and shipping, It is terrible the number of complaints I get from customers regarding the way their shipment arrive at destination in the USA. the envelopes are opened,the boxes ripped open , the contents damaged or missing. US Customs really do a great job on even small 6 X 6 bubble shipping envelopes. They are ****ing Paranoid scumbags if you ask me. I receive shipments from the states that are literally intact yet inspected by Canada customs agents. Years ago I use to sent clothing and food items in Russia to friends we knew. Even they received those packages intact and they lived in a communist block country. So I dont think that Ebay are the only ones that think they are GOD. The lunatics at the US border have a serious ego problem also if you ask me. |
Dr.Artaud, Thanks for the insight, It confirms what I always suspected about
those military rejects working at the US borders ( because they wont hire you unless you been in the service ). They wear a freakin gun (* .45-Glucks,38,.357 and 9mm Beretta's) both US imig and Customs do. You go to Canada and those guys take time to say " HI , Welcome to Canada " versus the US welcome of " Wo are YOU..Where do you come from and what is the purpose of your visit !!!bluntly speaking ). Then they ask you if you have a Police record...The last time I crossed the border at Champlain NY I was detained for 3 hours because when the woman agent asked me if I had a Police record I answered " YES, Synchronicity"......They have NO ****ing sense of Humor those Lunatics. I tried to tell her it was a joke.." Synchronicity " ..? You know the POLICE ? ha ha ha....................Ha ha ha was right. The emptied my two bags, I missed my bus and ended up sleeping in a flea bag motel until the next morning. Now I know not to make jokes with Brainless killing machines( rejects from USMC ). -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "§ Dr. Artaud §" wrote in message ... "Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in : Right before 911, I had bought a new Savage Stevens single shot .22 caliber rifle, a model designed similar to the original model of the early 1900s (late 1800s?). Anyway, the rifle had a head spacing problem, and the shells would split and powder would be ejected towards my face, and an unusually load report was hear when this happened. I contacted Savage, they said to return the rifle to them for repair, which I did. Problem is that it was sent to Canada for repair. 911 occurred, and it was the last I saw of the rifle. Savage acknowledged that heightened border security flummoxed the shipment of the rifle, I guess customs got hold of it, and Savage willingly replaced the rifle with no problems. Though I can understand that 911 was a horrible time, I always wondered how many other items disappeared in shipment during those times and continue to disappear even now. And the international situation is becoming farcical in terms of who is allowed to own what, nation to nation. Of course Canada and England permitted the ownership of unblocked scanners, and kudos for them for it. But it is my understanding that at least Canada doesn't allow digital scanners, perhaps someone on this group can set the record straight for me if they can, with the irony being that the U.S. permits it. I listen everyday to the police scanner, still largely analog in my area, and I can see that even though there are occasional problems with someone using a scanner to further illicit activity, the number of occasions when someone provides tips because they were listening to the scanner and have some insight into a particular crime or know the location of someone being chased by the police, easily offsets, I believe, the illicit use. I asked the Mayor of a borough near Pittsburgh about scanners. He was a lifetime cop in the same borough, and he felt that the contribution that law abiding citizens (listening to scanners) make to police work is very valuable. With the borders to Canada and Mexico largely unguarded, it's a farce to pretend that the U.S. is actually doing anything about so called "Homeland Security". Neurotically opening small packages (yet inspecting only 2% of the train rail car size shipping containers coming into the U.S. West Coast from China) and confiscating single shot rifles and unblocked scanners is probably not having any effect, save for the enrichment of those that invariably come into the ownership of items that they didn't pay for. Dr. Artaud Speaking of Ebay and shipping, It is terrible the number of complaints I get from customers regarding the way their shipment arrive at destination in the USA. the envelopes are opened,the boxes ripped open , the contents damaged or missing. US Customs really do a great job on even small 6 X 6 bubble shipping envelopes. They are ****ing Paranoid scumbags if you ask me. I receive shipments from the states that are literally intact yet inspected by Canada customs agents. Years ago I use to sent clothing and food items in Russia to friends we knew. Even they received those packages intact and they lived in a communist block country. So I dont think that Ebay are the only ones that think they are GOD. The lunatics at the US border have a serious ego problem also if you ask me. |
Sky King... That was a good one. I like it. Next time try to leave a gift
wrapped box under his desk with a large brand new alarm clock inside that goes TIC TOC TIC TOC. dont forget to put a nice note inside which says in Latin " Tempus Fugit " ( Time flye's ) . But make sure you handle everything with surgical gloves. he he he he . I'd like to see his face when he finds it. The same goes for Doberman ****. -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Sky King" wrote in message ... That boss story was pretty good. My first boss way back when was a scum bag. I sent him a xmas card to the shop. He opened it while talking to the owner of the place. As he opened the card they both saw a un-rolled condom that had Ivory liquid all over it. And I wrote "to Bob, A real prick". It took everything I had not to burst out laughing. Needless to say, I sent him a card for many years. Childish, yes, but the payback in front of the owner... priceless!! Ad Hoc Guy wrote: Good luck anyway Dan. -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Dan , Forgot to mention, I had a BOSS once who ****ed me off so bad I wanted to Kill him. Instead, what I did was PURCHASE a YEARS SUBSCRIPTION to some hardcore GAY S&M MAGAZINE ( paid cash off course ). And what I did was On the APPLICATION, I WROTE HIS NAME, BUT his 3 rd door NEIGHBOR'S ADDRESS...... So guess what, the guy who received it made it a point to deliver it to MY BOSS in person. I would have loved to be there when he handed the S&M Gay magazine to him. Sometimes it costs very little to get even with people and all along giving you the satisfaction of a job well done.....( I still rejoice today just thinking about it )....ha ha ha Very funny stuff indeed, but despite what most think of me here, I am not that type of person. Once again... I didn't do anything underhanded or deceitful in my initial actions, and I don't plan on starting now. Dan |
"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in
: Actually, it took a second or two for me to get the police record joke, but I had a good laugh. Fortunately, (or perhaps unfortunately) I have not had the occasion to cross into Canada since before 911. Oddly enough, even before 911, I witnessed a car attempting to enter the Canadian side that was refused entry. A caucasian driver and 4 or so oriental looking passengers. I have no insight into why they were refused entry. They were turned around and sent back towards the U.S. I became intrigued by the concept of them being refused entry back into the U.S.? Would they have to live on the bridge for the rest of their lives? Regards. Dr. Artaud Dr.Artaud, Thanks for the insight, It confirms what I always suspected about those military rejects working at the US borders ( because they wont hire you unless you been in the service ). |
Well actually NO. The originating ( outbound ) country being the US, they
would have to return from where they came.If for instance they would not have had the necessary paperwork to re-enter the US, then they would be detained and the legal procedures for deportation to their last known country of origin would prevail. This is why many immigrants will destroy all their paperwork and try to enter Canada. In Canada the Federal ruling says that any person requesting political asylum will be granted that wish but under certain conditions and for the time it takes to verify their credentials.( a way for them to buy time ). In the meantime they are fed,lodged and free to go but a resident must post a bond for them. Otherwise they are under preventive detention in specially located Motels under guard Not in detention camps like in some areas in the US. I guess we are a bit more humanitarian in that field of expertise, although a few bad ones will slip through our fingers once in a while. That's why Canada is so uptight on making sure that any arriving visitor have the proper papers to enter or visit Canada. It costs taxpayers a lot. Dont forget that the government once they accept the refugee must supply him with lodging,food and a welfare check until he can live on his own. The exception to this is when family or friends will take them in under bond. -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "§ Dr. Artaud §" wrote in message ... "Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in : Actually, it took a second or two for me to get the police record joke, but I had a good laugh. Fortunately, (or perhaps unfortunately) I have not had the occasion to cross into Canada since before 911. Oddly enough, even before 911, I witnessed a car attempting to enter the Canadian side that was refused entry. A caucasian driver and 4 or so oriental looking passengers. I have no insight into why they were refused entry. They were turned around and sent back towards the U.S. I became intrigued by the concept of them being refused entry back into the U.S.? Would they have to live on the bridge for the rest of their lives? Regards. Dr. Artaud Dr.Artaud, Thanks for the insight, It confirms what I always suspected about those military rejects working at the US borders ( because they wont hire you unless you been in the service ). |
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Dan Conti wrote: eBay policy prohibits members from sending spam. Spam is defined as email that is both unsolicited and is commercial in nature. USENET is not email. As eBay define spam in this way, news postings are irrelevant to the rules as listed in your posting. This is to stop direct-mailing of people off an address list etc. Furthermore, eBay say "Now go and promote your auction" in their "How To" guides. If they ban you from promoting your auction, why ask you to promote it? If you received a warning for violating our spam policy and you believe that it was sent in error, please contact us . If your auction got yanked for posting to a NEWSGROUP on the basis of the above rules, complain to eBay and ask why. -- --------------------------------------+------------------------------------ Mike Brown: mjb[at]pootle.demon.co.uk | http://www.pootle.demon.co.uk/ |
I was traveling with my 80year old dad and two fly rods, they guy spent 15
minutes checking out the rods, during this time my dad leaned over to me and whispered, or what he thought was a whisper, what's he's looking for a ****ing fly rod bomb,. the **** hit the fan then, this was before 9-11 and I wanted to kick the guy's ass. "Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message ... Dr.Artaud, Thanks for the insight, It confirms what I always suspected about those military rejects working at the US borders ( because they wont hire you unless you been in the service ). They wear a freakin gun (* .45-Glucks,38,.357 and 9mm Beretta's) both US imig and Customs do. You go to Canada and those guys take time to say " HI , Welcome to Canada " versus the US welcome of " Wo are YOU..Where do you come from and what is the purpose of your visit !!!bluntly speaking ). Then they ask you if you have a Police record...The last time I crossed the border at Champlain NY I was detained for 3 hours because when the woman agent asked me if I had a Police record I answered " YES, Synchronicity"......They have NO ****ing sense of Humor those Lunatics. I tried to tell her it was a joke.." Synchronicity " ..? You know the POLICE ? ha ha ha....................Ha ha ha was right. The emptied my two bags, I missed my bus and ended up sleeping in a flea bag motel until the next morning. Now I know not to make jokes with Brainless killing machines( rejects from USMC ). -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "§ Dr. Artaud §" wrote in message ... "Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in : Right before 911, I had bought a new Savage Stevens single shot .22 caliber rifle, a model designed similar to the original model of the early 1900s (late 1800s?). Anyway, the rifle had a head spacing problem, and the shells would split and powder would be ejected towards my face, and an unusually load report was hear when this happened. I contacted Savage, they said to return the rifle to them for repair, which I did. Problem is that it was sent to Canada for repair. 911 occurred, and it was the last I saw of the rifle. Savage acknowledged that heightened border security flummoxed the shipment of the rifle, I guess customs got hold of it, and Savage willingly replaced the rifle with no problems. Though I can understand that 911 was a horrible time, I always wondered how many other items disappeared in shipment during those times and continue to disappear even now. And the international situation is becoming farcical in terms of who is allowed to own what, nation to nation. Of course Canada and England permitted the ownership of unblocked scanners, and kudos for them for it. But it is my understanding that at least Canada doesn't allow digital scanners, perhaps someone on this group can set the record straight for me if they can, with the irony being that the U.S. permits it. I listen everyday to the police scanner, still largely analog in my area, and I can see that even though there are occasional problems with someone using a scanner to further illicit activity, the number of occasions when someone provides tips because they were listening to the scanner and have some insight into a particular crime or know the location of someone being chased by the police, easily offsets, I believe, the illicit use. I asked the Mayor of a borough near Pittsburgh about scanners. He was a lifetime cop in the same borough, and he felt that the contribution that law abiding citizens (listening to scanners) make to police work is very valuable. With the borders to Canada and Mexico largely unguarded, it's a farce to pretend that the U.S. is actually doing anything about so called "Homeland Security". Neurotically opening small packages (yet inspecting only 2% of the train rail car size shipping containers coming into the U.S. West Coast from China) and confiscating single shot rifles and unblocked scanners is probably not having any effect, save for the enrichment of those that invariably come into the ownership of items that they didn't pay for. Dr. Artaud Speaking of Ebay and shipping, It is terrible the number of complaints I get from customers regarding the way their shipment arrive at destination in the USA. the envelopes are opened,the boxes ripped open , the contents damaged or missing. US Customs really do a great job on even small 6 X 6 bubble shipping envelopes. They are ****ing Paranoid scumbags if you ask me. I receive shipments from the states that are literally intact yet inspected by Canada customs agents. Years ago I use to sent clothing and food items in Russia to friends we knew. Even they received those packages intact and they lived in a communist block country. So I dont think that Ebay are the only ones that think they are GOD. The lunatics at the US border have a serious ego problem also if you ask me. |
"Jim Douglas" wrote in
: I got a laugh about your father's comments. Touché. Incredible that the "authorities" can be so insensitive and totalitarian. Dr. Artaud I was traveling with my 80year old dad and two fly rods, they guy spent 15 minutes checking out the rods, during this time my dad leaned over to me and whispered, or what he thought was a whisper, what's he's looking for a ****ing fly rod bomb,. the **** hit the fan then, this was before 9-11 and I wanted to kick the guy's ass. |
Jim, the customs agent probably thought those were spy antennas aimed at
destroying the US satellite system. LMAO -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Jim Douglas" wrote in message ... I was traveling with my 80year old dad and two fly rods, they guy spent 15 minutes checking out the rods, during this time my dad leaned over to me and whispered, or what he thought was a whisper, what's he's looking for a ****ing fly rod bomb,. the **** hit the fan then, this was before 9-11 and I wanted to kick the guy's ass. "Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message ... Dr.Artaud, Thanks for the insight, It confirms what I always suspected about those military rejects working at the US borders ( because they wont hire you unless you been in the service ). They wear a freakin gun (* .45-Glucks,38,.357 and 9mm Beretta's) both US imig and Customs do. You go to Canada and those guys take time to say " HI , Welcome to Canada " versus the US welcome of " Wo are YOU..Where do you come from and what is the purpose of your visit !!!bluntly speaking ). Then they ask you if you have a Police record...The last time I crossed the border at Champlain NY I was detained for 3 hours because when the woman agent asked me if I had a Police record I answered " YES, Synchronicity"......They have NO ****ing sense of Humor those Lunatics. I tried to tell her it was a joke.." Synchronicity " ..? You know the POLICE ? ha ha ha....................Ha ha ha was right. The emptied my two bags, I missed my bus and ended up sleeping in a flea bag motel until the next morning. Now I know not to make jokes with Brainless killing machines( rejects from USMC ). -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "§ Dr. Artaud §" wrote in message ... "Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in : Right before 911, I had bought a new Savage Stevens single shot .22 caliber rifle, a model designed similar to the original model of the early 1900s (late 1800s?). Anyway, the rifle had a head spacing problem, and the shells would split and powder would be ejected towards my face, and an unusually load report was hear when this happened. I contacted Savage, they said to return the rifle to them for repair, which I did. Problem is that it was sent to Canada for repair. 911 occurred, and it was the last I saw of the rifle. Savage acknowledged that heightened border security flummoxed the shipment of the rifle, I guess customs got hold of it, and Savage willingly replaced the rifle with no problems. Though I can understand that 911 was a horrible time, I always wondered how many other items disappeared in shipment during those times and continue to disappear even now. And the international situation is becoming farcical in terms of who is allowed to own what, nation to nation. Of course Canada and England permitted the ownership of unblocked scanners, and kudos for them for it. But it is my understanding that at least Canada doesn't allow digital scanners, perhaps someone on this group can set the record straight for me if they can, with the irony being that the U.S. permits it. I listen everyday to the police scanner, still largely analog in my area, and I can see that even though there are occasional problems with someone using a scanner to further illicit activity, the number of occasions when someone provides tips because they were listening to the scanner and have some insight into a particular crime or know the location of someone being chased by the police, easily offsets, I believe, the illicit use. I asked the Mayor of a borough near Pittsburgh about scanners. He was a lifetime cop in the same borough, and he felt that the contribution that law abiding citizens (listening to scanners) make to police work is very valuable. With the borders to Canada and Mexico largely unguarded, it's a farce to pretend that the U.S. is actually doing anything about so called "Homeland Security". Neurotically opening small packages (yet inspecting only 2% of the train rail car size shipping containers coming into the U.S. West Coast from China) and confiscating single shot rifles and unblocked scanners is probably not having any effect, save for the enrichment of those that invariably come into the ownership of items that they didn't pay for. Dr. Artaud Speaking of Ebay and shipping, It is terrible the number of complaints I get from customers regarding the way their shipment arrive at destination in the USA. the envelopes are opened,the boxes ripped open , the contents damaged or missing. US Customs really do a great job on even small 6 X 6 bubble shipping envelopes. They are ****ing Paranoid scumbags if you ask me. I receive shipments from the states that are literally intact yet inspected by Canada customs agents. Years ago I use to sent clothing and food items in Russia to friends we knew. Even they received those packages intact and they lived in a communist block country. So I dont think that Ebay are the only ones that think they are GOD. The lunatics at the US border have a serious ego problem also if you ask me. |
I just like it when they ask me " anything to declared " I usually answer
"YES" "Dont eat yellow snow"...!! Some smile some dont ... -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "§ Dr. Artaud §" wrote in message ... "Jim Douglas" wrote in : I got a laugh about your father's comments. Touché. Incredible that the "authorities" can be so insensitive and totalitarian. Dr. Artaud I was traveling with my 80year old dad and two fly rods, they guy spent 15 minutes checking out the rods, during this time my dad leaned over to me and whispered, or what he thought was a whisper, what's he's looking for a ****ing fly rod bomb,. the **** hit the fan then, this was before 9-11 and I wanted to kick the guy's ass. |
Dan Conti wrote: Who decides what is appropriate? Apparently the self appointed newsgroup police. A few years ago I offered a scanner for sale on rec.radio.scanner, and one of the NG cops turned me in to Earthlink for inappropriate posts. I was suspended for a month. I had no recourse except to apologize and promise not to do it again. No clue as to who it was, or why. Easthlink would not listen to me or the NG moderator, I found the moderator for rec.radio.scanner and he wrote Earthlink on my behalf. In the end, the first person who reports to your ISP or ebay is believed to be correct and no amount of evidence on your part will change their mind. I disagree with your new course of action to turn it all FA posts on rec.radio.swap. The guys who post FA on the newsgroups did not turn you in, reporting them to ebay will only make bad matters worse. You won't be hurting the person who turned you in. If I were you I'd go back to your bidders list and offer it for sale off ebay, and they do owe you a refund for a discontinued listing. Good Luck Nick WB4SQI |
John Kasupski wrote: Again, all of this applies mainly to the two scanner newsgroups. The rec.radio.swap newsgroup was *created* for the purpose of advertising radio equipment for sale, auction, or trade. John, Very informative post..... Looks to me like a good solution would be to form a new newgroup: Rec.Radio.ebay or Rec.radio.auction for those who need a safe haven to post their auction items. Personally,I enjoy ebay buying and selling. For my purposes, it's not a profit machine, just a means of furthering enjoyment of my hobbies by using new or different equipment. Nick WB4SQI |
Boy, I felt your anguish and I completely empathize, but it confirms
the contentions I've had all along about this money-less electronic fallacy. It's a capitalists dream state made possible by technology, and the proof is in stories like yours ... one account after another, from one courtroom to another. Therefore, anybody who relies on eBay, or any such on-line service (for ANY reason) WILL GET BURNED. I've never once used them and even I know. As far as my common senses are concerned, those willing to transact business with entities that can't be held accountable for its actions, deserves every pain a one-way risk is guaranteed to deliver. This isn't commerce folks, it's high-tech thievery, and it's high-time you realized it. Passing gold over a local counter, or trading your labors for goods and services ... THAT is commerce. After all, our comforts don't come from overseas ... they come from local people and businesses. |
Consider yourself lucky. 3 years ago I had my credit card
information hacked from EBay. Like you said calling them is impossible and emails are a waste of time. If my credit card information was stolen imagine the hundreds of thousands of other credit card information that was hacked. You didn't hear about this on the tv news or in the newspaper. I discovered it when I received a letter from a co. in Nebraska that monitors VISA and MASTER CARD profile purchases. I used an "emegency" credit card that I had not used previously in 2 years expressly for Ebay. At the time I did not want to enter my credit card but had to. I called the company and was asked if I had purchased $1,800 of computers from ABC Co., in Chicago, $425 from Sears in Ann Arbor, Michigan, etc. I knew immediately what had happened. I was not responsible for the illegal purchases. The greedy vendors who sold by telephone suffered the lost. I was sent another credit card with a different account number. Dan Conti wrote: eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least). eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they, they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more about THAT later... I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding an item TOO HIGH. The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened, never used scanner. But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice...... ***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled*** I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION. eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far no response. This is NO WAY to do business. I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason.... Other then what I THINK happened. Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself. Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT ******* Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm. Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it. Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading. Dan |
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