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EBAY SQUASHED MY LISTING
eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the
internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least). eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they, they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more about THAT later... I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding an item TOO HIGH. The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened, never used scanner. But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice...... ***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled*** I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION. eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far no response. This is NO WAY to do business. I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason.... Other then what I THINK happened. Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself. Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT ******* Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm. Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it. Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading. Dan |
Hi Dan,
I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups? Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of it. So WTB and FS are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right? Thanks Mike Burch K8MB |
"Dan Conti" wrote in message
... eBay, an idea that started Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading. snip Dan I have bought and sold much on Ebay. I have had them cancel an auction for violation of some rule of theirs, but they always e-mailed me with the reason. It was always something I did because I did not read the entire rules. They also always refunded my "insertion fee". They are certainly a big company, and you can "take them or leave them" I'm sure they would not care. How do you pay them? If you do as everyone should, pay with a credit card you can challenge the charge. Over the years I have had EXCELLENT service from both Master Card and Discover when someone tried to burn me both on line and in person. If, and it's a BIG if, this really happened like you "claim", it sounds like it was some kind of mistake. Does anyone here know if Ebay has some rule about posting a link to their auctions in Usenet? If people really did bid on your scanner you can just e-mail them and make a deal to sell them the scanner. -- Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. |
About time ebay did something to stop these spam postings.
Good for Ebay! |
Dan Conti wrote: eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least). eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they, they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more about THAT later... I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding an item TOO HIGH. The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened, never used scanner. But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice...... ***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled*** I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION. eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far no response. This is NO WAY to do business. I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason.... Other then what I THINK happened. Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself. Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT ******* Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm. Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it. Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading. Dan Just because you assume that somebody was an asshole to you, you yourself will be an asshole to everybody else and SNITCH? |
About time ebay did something to stop these spam postings. Good for Ebay! Brilliant Mace, just brilliant. Now the newsgroups will be free of SPAM, there will be no war, we will all win the lottery, and radio hobbyists will stop being weasels and rats, all thanks to eBay... Well, I certainly will be doing my part to clear the groups of spammers. Dan |
Hi Dan, I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups? They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They are GOD, Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of it. It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone reports it? Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT. Not at al something to be proud of. So WTB and FS are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right? I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts in a shortwave group OK? and on and on? I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP. Amazing. Thanks Mike Burch K8MB |
I have bought and sold much on Ebay. I have had them cancel an auction for violation of some rule of theirs, but they always e-mailed me with the reason. Still no e-mail or response to my inquiry from eBay. It was always something I did because I did not read the entire rules. They also always refunded my "insertion fee". They are certainly a big company, and you can "take them or leave them" I'm sure they would not care. How do you pay them? If you do as everyone should, pay with a credit card you can challenge the charge. Over the years I have had EXCELLENT service from both Master Card and Discover when someone tried to burn me both on line and in person. If, and it's a BIG if, this really happened like you "claim", it sounds like it was some kind of mistake. Click this link and you will see that my auction was in fact dumped. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:LC:US:1 Does anyone here know if Ebay has some rule about posting a link to their auctions in Usenet? Yes, you are not suppsed to post anything related to an eBay auction ANYWHERE outside of eBay in any form or advertisement. This may be to protect them from charges of SPAM from their company, and also for them to maintain an absolute monopoly and control over any content or ads from their service. If people really did bid on your scanner you can just e-mail them and make a deal to sell them the scanner. Yes, they REALLY did. And guess what? I can't e-mail them because the auction is GONE and I dont' have the information. And you know what? Doing so would violate YET ANOTHER eBay rule. If you click the link above and read, you will see what it is. Dan |
I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. I'd be interested in seeing that particular rule.... if you would please provide a link. It doesn't seem logical to me that EBay would prohibit the advertising of their own auction on other sites, when such advertising can only further EBay's chance of increased profits through the EBay sale going as high as possible. Ed |
"Ed" wrote in message . 93.175... I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. I'd be interested in seeing that particular rule.... if you would please provide a link. It doesn't seem logical to me that EBay would prohibit the advertising of their own auction on other sites, when such advertising can only further EBay's chance of increased profits through the EBay sale going as high as possible. Ed I've advertised FAs here just recently, my auctions weren't cancelled. I'm wondering if somehow, "maybe" someone sent E-Bay - the non tech wizards they are, a notice that perhaps your scanner was modified or whatever, to make them think it was illegal????? Just a thought. I've seen other FAs in here as well, none of them complained of having their auctions cut short. The ONLY auction "I" had cut short, was a "linear" I was auctioning off - listed as NOT working, the finals pulled, for parts. I listed it I believe for 10 meters, yet they pulled it. No big deal... But they've never pulled my auctions for posting FA. IF you have suspects in mind, I suggest you take it up with them. Why turn vigilante against the whole group? cl |
It is spam becuase you posted it in places like alt.marketing.online.ebay and alt.radio.scanner I NEVER posted it on alt.marketing.online.ebay I did on the latter, and yes it is considered SPAM there, just like 99% of the daily postings are.... |
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I've advertised FAs here just recently, my auctions weren't cancelled. I'm wondering if somehow, "maybe" someone sent E-Bay - the non tech wizards they are, a notice that perhaps your scanner was modified or whatever, to make them think it was illegal????? Just a thought. I've seen other FAs in here as well, none of them complained of having their auctions cut short. Good thought. I was thinking the same thing. We all know it is impossible for the 796D to be continuous coverage or modded, but eBay will go by whatever someone tells them. This is why I can't wait to see their response. The ONLY auction "I" had cut short, was a "linear" I was auctioning off - listed as NOT working, the finals pulled, for parts. I listed it I believe for 10 meters, yet they pulled it. No big deal... But they've never pulled my auctions for posting FA. If NO NE dropped a dime to them about you posting FA, they will never bother you. DO you really think eBay scours the newsgroups for violations? They turn a blind eye until someone makes a complaint, then they have to act. IF you have suspects in mind, I suggest you take it up with them. Why turn vigilante against the whole group? I have A suspect in mind, but can never prove it. eBay will not turn over the info on the complainant. No vigilante, just making sure that what was good for Goose Dan, is good for the gander. You can thank the no-life asshole among you for it... Dan cl |
I think lots of people are sick of sicko Dan's Spams. Interesting comment from someone hidden in anonymity. I NEVER post anything to these groups except for an occasional FS or FA posting, YES, just like EVERYONE ELSE peeing in this cesspool, yet I am a sicko, and a spammer. You're just an asshole. Dan - real name |
Just because you assume that somebody was an asshole to you, you yourself will be an asshole to everybody else and SNITCH? Nope. Since the consensus seems to be that everyone wants all this SPAM stuff removed, especially the eBay related FA stuff, I will do my part to help. It's NOT snithcing because I am being up front, telling you I'm gonna do it. It's my civic newsgroup duty. And I don't hide behind anonymity either. If YOUR private business was damaged like mine was in this case, you'd be on the same torrent as I am now, or worse. Dan |
I'd be interested in seeing that particular rule.... if you would please provide a link. It doesn't seem logical to me that EBay would prohibit the advertising of their own auction on other sites, when such advertising can only further EBay's chance of increased profits through the EBay sale going as high as possible. Ed, I am sure eBay will answer my inquiry in due time. I am confident the remoavl was as a result of what I've stated. I will post their response here, and hopefully the rules as well. Once I do that, there will be NO MORE FA psoting anywhere on the radio newsgroups. Dan |
Spam eBay policy prohibits members from sending spam. Spam is defined as email that is both unsolicited and is commercial in nature. * Unsolicited - The email must have been sent without the permission of the person who received it. * Commercial - The email must discuss buying, selling or trading of goods or services. Some examples of spam include: * Unsolicited email offers for items that are the same or similar to items you are bidding on or have bid on in the past. * Email sent to you from a mailing list without your permission. * Direct or stand-alone invitations to join a mailing list. * Email sent using the "Contact eBay Member" link on the eBay Web site to send unsolicited commercial offers. Some members have also reporting receiving requests for personal information in email messages that are made to appear that they were sent from eBay. More information on these messages, as well as how they can be reported, can be found on the Email and Websites Impersonating eBay page. Please be aware that eBay's spam policy applies only to unsolicited commercial messages sent by eBay members. If you are receiving surveys, promotional messages or other email from eBay that you feel you should not be receiving, please refer to the Notification Preferences Overview for information on how to change the types of email you receive from eBay. Email messages that are not commercial in nature, including offensive or unwelcome email, do not fall under the eBay spam policy. Sellers are permitted to invite other users to join a mailing list as long as the email is related to the transaction and the mailing list invitation is not the primary purpose of the email. Instant messages and other forms of communication conducted outside of eBay are not within our jurisdiction. Although posts on the eBay Discussion Boards are not reviewed as spam, eBay does have a policy related to appropriate board usage. If you have received spam from another eBay member, please report it. In order to investigate a spam report, we must have a complete copy of the email you received with the full header included. If you received a warning for violating our spam policy and you believe that it was sent in error, please contact us . If you were suspended for violating our Spam policy and would like to contact us, please send us an email. |
Seems pretty clear.
ANYTHING related to eBay posted on USENET is a No No. I'll be watching... Dan Spam eBay policy prohibits members from sending spam. Spam is defined as email that is both unsolicited and is commercial in nature. * Unsolicited - The email must have been sent without the permission of the person who received it. * Commercial - The email must discuss buying, selling or trading of goods or services. Some examples of spam include: * Unsolicited email offers for items that are the same or similar to items you are bidding on or have bid on in the past. * Email sent to you from a mailing list without your permission. * Direct or stand-alone invitations to join a mailing list. * Email sent using the "Contact eBay Member" link on the eBay Web site to send unsolicited commercial offers. Some members have also reporting receiving requests for personal information in email messages that are made to appear that they were sent from eBay. More information on these messages, as well as how they can be reported, can be found on the Email and Websites Impersonating eBay page. Please be aware that eBay's spam policy applies only to unsolicited commercial messages sent by eBay members. If you are receiving surveys, promotional messages or other email from eBay that you feel you should not be receiving, please refer to the Notification Preferences Overview for information on how to change the types of email you receive from eBay. Email messages that are not commercial in nature, including offensive or unwelcome email, do not fall under the eBay spam policy. Sellers are permitted to invite other users to join a mailing list as long as the email is related to the transaction and the mailing list invitation is not the primary purpose of the email. Instant messages and other forms of communication conducted outside of eBay are not within our jurisdiction. Although posts on the eBay Discussion Boards are not reviewed as spam, eBay does have a policy related to appropriate board usage. If you have received spam from another eBay member, please report it. In order to investigate a spam report, we must have a complete copy of the email you received with the full header included. If you received a warning for violating our spam policy and you believe that it was sent in error, please contact us . If you were suspended for violating our Spam policy and would like to contact us, please send us an email. |
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Dan Conti wrote: It's NOT snithcing because I am being up front, telling you I'm gonna do it. Dan Dan I understand your being mad, as I would be also. This I don't understand, It's NOT snitching because you are being up front, telling people you're gonna do it? That would be like me saying "It's not theft if I tell you that I'm going to steal it!" A rats a rat and a thief is a thief! Do like most and post anonymously and say " Hey look what I just found on EBAY, what a great deal" |
"Dan Conti" wrote in message ... think they're GOD, As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they? |
GOD = "We don't need to provide no stinkin' customer service"
"DeWayne" wrote in message ... "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... think they're GOD, As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they? |
Actually, it says NOTHING of the sort. It NEVER mentioned Usenet at all, and since your post wasn't commercial (you're not a dealer), I can't see where your post violated THAT 'rule'. It talks about SPAM with regard to e-mail. eBay also considers posting their auctions to Usenet SPAM, which it is, and as suck violates the rule. I can see NO OTHER logical reason why the auction was cancelled. If and when I receive a response from them, I will post it here. Personally, I'd call your post 'newsgroup abuse', which eBay CLEARLY doesn't care about. Well, one's newsgroup abuse is another's useful post. Most of what is on the newsgroups is abuse, and you know it Bud. And I ALREADY posted directly to you how I felt about your post. You're just too much of a jerk to accept that and LEAVE it at that. Coming from an asshole, Jerk is a welcome moniker. |
DeWayne wrote:
"Dan Conti" wrote in message ... think they're GOD, As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they? Yep |
Hey Dan, if you post to newsgroups, do one at a time, that is not
considered spamming. Also, If you read the ebay rules on newsgroups they don't want you to advertise ebay on the groups. You are just using FA for your own personal auction and not promoting ebay. Also, it says ebay will not take any action if somebody else posted your auction, or if they can't confirm an e-mail address that is not registered with ebay. Many people do look at the auctions listed FA: on the groups. Some people are cry babies, some with potty mouths who bitch about it. These people should use their filters so they won't see anything with FA:. A friend of mine that uses ebay posted his auction on the groups a few months ago. Now, he ran into a cry baby and said he complained to ebay. Well that auction went on. This jerk used a false e-mail address to post thinking he was safe. As my buddy said to him on the newsgroups (which the baby spammed) YOU has been reported to to your provider. He told them this guy is causing trouble on the groups and is spamming and using a made up address. The newsgroup moderators don't take kind to that. Guess what? My buddy posted more auctions and the "baby rat" was never heard from again. My buddy assumed that his own provider banned him since he never posted again. Seems it does not pay to be a schmuck! Dan Conti wrote: eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least). eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they, they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more about THAT later... I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding an item TOO HIGH. The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened, never used scanner. But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice...... ***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled*** I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION. eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far no response. This is NO WAY to do business. I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason.... Other then what I THINK happened. Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself. Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT ******* Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm. Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it. Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading. Dan |
You have every right to advertise your ebay auctions on Usenet. Who ever tells you not to is a no life loser! Apparently you have NO right to do this, my friend as I found out the hard way. The no-life losers will drop a dime to eBAy on you, and whatever the rule is they use, they are the auction GODS and don't like getting complaints. Rather then giving the poster the benefit of responding to the complaint, they just DUMP your auction. Funny thing is, looks like I'll eventually be back on eBay if I want to sell this scanner. Dan |
This seems to be the best info on the eBay rules for posting on Usenet newsgroups: "eBay users may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to eBay, we may among other remedies remove the listing, issue a warning, or suspend the user's eBay account. Please note that eBay can only take action in cases where it's clear it was an eBay member who posted to the Usenet group inappropriately." As you can see.. It is permitted by eBay to post a link to your eBay auction listing IF and only IF it is appropriate for that newsgroup. If the newsgroup permits it, then go for it if you want... If it is against the policy of that newsgroup, then it can be reported to eBay and your ISP who each may take actions. Who determines what can be posted on WHAT newsgroup? Where can these rules be found? Who decides what is appropriate? My rantings aside, this entire episode will be a good learning experience for us all. Apparently, if I go to eBay with a FA posting and tell them it's against the newsgroup rules, that person is in violation and subject to all kinds of actions... Dan |
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:31:08 GMT, Ed
wrote: I'd be interested in seeing that particular rule.... if you would please provide a link. It doesn't seem logical to me that EBay would prohibit the advertising of their own auction on other sites, when such advertising can only further EBay's chance of increased profits through the EBay sale going as high as possible. http://pages.ebay.com/help/newtoebay/usenet-policy.html -- To reply, remove TheObvious from my e-mail address. |
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:35:02 -0500, Sky King
wrote: Hey Dan, if you post to newsgroups, do one at a time, that is not considered spamming. Incorrect. Spamming is considered anything off topic for the newsgroup. If I post that I'm selling my ham radio to a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of basketball, it's spamming. The newsgroup moderators don't take kind to that. What newsgroup moderators? -- To reply, remove TheObvious from my e-mail address. |
Sorry for budding in Dan, But what you say is very true about Ebay. I
recently posted a switch key for sale and the bids were going great until Ebay pulled the rug from under me removing the add saying that the key I was selling received complaints from "certain " people and that it was still in use today...blah blah blah. Who the hell does Ebay think they are ? The authorities watch dog ? Christ I pay at least 200$ a month in advertising not to mention the substantial "cuts" Paypal takes off MY earnings. Needless to say that I for one am very ****ed also and especially sickened by the abusive Capitalistic Tyrant ways Ebay demonstrates. TOO BAD we dont have other options as popular as FleaBay. -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least). eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they, they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more about THAT later... I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding an item TOO HIGH. The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened, never used scanner. But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice...... ***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled*** I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION. eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far no response. This is NO WAY to do business. I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason.... Other then what I THINK happened. Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself. Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT ******* Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm. Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it. Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading. Dan |
The newsgroup moderators don't take kind to that. What newsgroup moderators? Thank you. They are the self-appointed asshles who decide what they like and don't like, and take action as cowards accordingly. Dan |
Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar
with the language) Thanks -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Hi Dan, I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups? They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They are GOD, Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of it. It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone reports it? Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT. Not at al something to be proud of. So WTB and FS are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right? I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts in a shortwave group OK? and on and on? I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP. Amazing. Thanks Mike Burch K8MB |
FA = FOR AUCTION
"Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message .. . Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar with the language) Thanks -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Hi Dan, I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups? They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They are GOD, Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of it. It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone reports it? Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT. Not at al something to be proud of. So WTB and FS are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right? I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts in a shortwave group OK? and on and on? I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP. Amazing. Thanks Mike Burch K8MB |
Speaking of Ebay and shipping, It is terrible the number of complaints I get
from customers regarding the way their shipment arrive at destination in the USA. the envelopes are opened,the boxes ripped open , the contents damaged or missing. US Customs really do a great job on even small 6 X 6 bubble shipping envelopes. They are ****ing Paranoid scumbags if you ask me. I receive shipments from the states that are literally intact yet inspected by Canada customs agents. Years ago I use to sent clothing and food items in Russia to friends we knew. Even they received those packages intact and they lived in a communist block country. So I dont think that Ebay are the only ones that think they are GOD. The lunatics at the US border have a serious ego problem also if you ask me. -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... d I've advertised FAs here just recently, my auctions weren't cancelled. I'm wondering if somehow, "maybe" someone sent E-Bay - the non tech wizards they are, a notice that perhaps your scanner was modified or whatever, to make them think it was illegal????? Just a thought. I've seen other FAs in here as well, none of them complained of having their auctions cut short. Good thought. I was thinking the same thing. We all know it is impossible for the 796D to be continuous coverage or modded, but eBay will go by whatever someone tells them. This is why I can't wait to see their response. The ONLY auction "I" had cut short, was a "linear" I was auctioning off - listed as NOT working, the finals pulled, for parts. I listed it I believe for 10 meters, yet they pulled it. No big deal... But they've never pulled my auctions for posting FA. If NO NE dropped a dime to them about you posting FA, they will never bother you. DO you really think eBay scours the newsgroups for violations? They turn a blind eye until someone makes a complaint, then they have to act. IF you have suspects in mind, I suggest you take it up with them. Why turn vigilante against the whole group? I have A suspect in mind, but can never prove it. eBay will not turn over the info on the complainant. No vigilante, just making sure that what was good for Goose Dan, is good for the gander. You can thank the no-life asshole among you for it... Dan cl |
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-- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "cl" wrote in message .verio.net... FA = FOR AUCTION "Ad Hoc Guy" wrote in message .. . Just Curious here guys, but what is an FA ? ( sorry I,m not too familiar with the language) Thanks -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... Hi Dan, I am sorry to hear about your mishap with Ebay. What is Ebays reasoning for not allowing FA's to be posted in newsgroups? They don't give reasons for the "reasoning" , they don't have to. They are GOD, Is it because its considered spam? This is the first I have heard of it. It's the first you've heard of it beacuse it's been going on since eBay was formed here on the newsgroups and no one cared or made a stink about it. Go to rec.radio.swap right now and you will see at least 6 FA postings. Are those auctions being yanked? Are they being reported to eBay? DO you really thinks eBay gives a Rat's Ass about it until someone reports it? Someone dimed me out, plain and simple, and where I'm from, that's a RAT. Not at al something to be proud of. So WTB and FS are ok? But not FA? Am I copying that right? I honestly don't know. This has been going around and around on the newsgroups for years. Are Viagra ads OK? Are off topic political posts in a shortwave group OK? and on and on? I guess they are until Dan Conti posts a few FA posts during the year and I am being reported to eBay, and now threatened to be reported to my ISP. Amazing. Thanks Mike Burch K8MB |
I'll tell you guys, that really tickles my funny bone. First off a
"contract" can be formed between two individuals without even signing a written paper.The basic act of demand and offer constitutes a "contract". Ebay, although an American based company, operates in Canada, thus being under the common law ruling and consumer laws. If it can be reached from Quebec , it also falls under the Civil Code which is very clear on the matter of cancellation of contracts. What Ebay has basically done is breach a legally formed contract between two individuals , regardless of the items or nature of the contract, and has literaly stepped in acting as third party and cancelled the contract without the consentment of the parties. That is a NO NO in any court of law. I think it's about time that people begin voicing out the abuse from this company who freely enfringe on foreign laws, use and culture. I am convinced that a simple complaint to your local Consumer advocate requesting an investigation will force Ebay to justify their act. Since 1994, Cyberspace and cybermarketing and exchanges are now integral to all Laws in Canada and Quebec. Ebay is no exception. I'm not trying to show off here mind you, I studied law a few years ago. Thanks -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "cl" wrote in message o.verio.net... "Ed" wrote in message . 93.175... I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. I'd be interested in seeing that particular rule.... if you would please provide a link. It doesn't seem logical to me that EBay would prohibit the advertising of their own auction on other sites, when such advertising can only further EBay's chance of increased profits through the EBay sale going as high as possible. Ed I've advertised FAs here just recently, my auctions weren't cancelled. I'm wondering if somehow, "maybe" someone sent E-Bay - the non tech wizards they are, a notice that perhaps your scanner was modified or whatever, to make them think it was illegal????? Just a thought. I've seen other FAs in here as well, none of them complained of having their auctions cut short. The ONLY auction "I" had cut short, was a "linear" I was auctioning off - listed as NOT working, the finals pulled, for parts. I listed it I believe for 10 meters, yet they pulled it. No big deal... But they've never pulled my auctions for posting FA. IF you have suspects in mind, I suggest you take it up with them. Why turn vigilante against the whole group? cl |
"Dan Conti" wrote in message ... DeWayne wrote: think they're GOD, As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they? Yep Ebay kind of reminds me of Microsoft. Hopefully MS will have some hot competition one of these days! |
Sorry for budding in Dan, But what you say is very true about Ebay. I recently posted a switch key for sale and the bids were going great until Ebay pulled the rug from under me removing the add saying that the key I was selling received complaints from "certain " people and that it was still in use today...blah blah blah. Who the hell does Ebay think they are ? The authorities watch dog ? Sorry to hear about it. Isn't it a sick, sinking feeling when an auction you are running is suddenly yanked? At least you were given a reason. I have now sent in THREE inquiries asking why the listing was removed, with NO response from eBay. Apparently they are arrogant now that they remove your auction and don't even tell you why. Christ I pay at least 200$ a month in advertising not to mention the substantial "cuts" Paypal takes off MY earnings. Needless to say that I for one am very ****ed also and especially sickened by the abusive Capitalistic Tyrant ways Ebay demonstrates. TOO BAD we dont have other options as popular as FleaBay. Someone else will invent a better mousetrap, make a billion bucks and get as big and arrogant as ePAY. It's a vicious cycle. Dan |
"Ad Hoc Guy" sputtered incoherently in
: I'll tell you guys, that really tickles my funny bone. First off a "contract" can be formed between two individuals without even signing a written paper.The basic act of demand and offer constitutes a "contract". Demand and offer don't make a contract in any sense of the word. contract: An agreement between persons which obliges each party to do or not to do a certain thing. Technically, a valid contract requires an offer and an acceptance of that offer, and, in common law countries, consideration. www.duhaime.org/dictionary/dict-c.htm -- You are a fluke of the Universe You have no right to be here And whether you can hear it or not, the Universe is laughing behind your back "Five-eleven's your height, one-ninety your weight You cash in your chips around page ninety-eight." |
Isnt Amazon.com a competitor to Ebay ? or is it a flop ?
-- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "DeWayne" wrote in message ... "Dan Conti" wrote in message ... DeWayne wrote: think they're GOD, As far as internet auctions go, Aren't they? Yep Ebay kind of reminds me of Microsoft. Hopefully MS will have some hot competition one of these days! |
Sky,
We had a case recently where a girl and a guy were transfering funds back and forth to earn air mile points with their credit card. Ebay spied on her and cut off her ACCOUNT. Yet there is a serious LOOPHOLE in this consumer point earnings on Ebay and Paypal.. She had her boyfriend open an account and they are at it again, transfering $500 back and forth and earning points....makes me smile, "laws are made to be broken,contoured and ridiculed" That's what it's all about.... -- " Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. " "Sky King" wrote in message ... Hey Dan, if you post to newsgroups, do one at a time, that is not considered spamming. Also, If you read the ebay rules on newsgroups they don't want you to advertise ebay on the groups. You are just using FA for your own personal auction and not promoting ebay. Also, it says ebay will not take any action if somebody else posted your auction, or if they can't confirm an e-mail address that is not registered with ebay. Many people do look at the auctions listed FA: on the groups. Some people are cry babies, some with potty mouths who bitch about it. These people should use their filters so they won't see anything with FA:. A friend of mine that uses ebay posted his auction on the groups a few months ago. Now, he ran into a cry baby and said he complained to ebay. Well that auction went on. This jerk used a false e-mail address to post thinking he was safe. As my buddy said to him on the newsgroups (which the baby spammed) YOU has been reported to to your provider. He told them this guy is causing trouble on the groups and is spamming and using a made up address. The newsgroup moderators don't take kind to that. Guess what? My buddy posted more auctions and the "baby rat" was never heard from again. My buddy assumed that his own provider banned him since he never posted again. Seems it does not pay to be a schmuck! Dan Conti wrote: eBay, an idea that started out with good intentions, to serve the internet community has gone the way of so many other internet services of it's type. They think they're GOD, (along with many on these groups who think they are almost God, or NEWGROUP POLICE at the very least). eBay is now only concerned with MILKING the very MOST money they can from it's customers. Try to call them on the phone? Are you kidding? Send them an e-mail? Good luck. They don't care, and why should they, they're the only game in town. U.S. Capitalism at it's best, but more about THAT later... I recently put a UNIDEN 296D and 796D scanners on eBay for sale, and also made FA posts on these groups. Luckily, the 296D sold early with BUY IT NOW, and for some strange reason, the 796D was bid to a price past what the original BUY IT NOW pricing was. Yep, there's that good ole US capitalsim at work again. No one twists arms to bid that high, and as far as I know, ther is NO mechanism on eBay to STOP a bidder from bidding an item TOO HIGH. The auction was to end today. I would have had a decent return for my scanner, and the buyer would have a brand new, in box, never opened, never used scanner. But yesterday eBay replaced my auction with this notice...... ***This listing (5759983900) has been removed by eBay or is no longer available. Please make sure that you've entered the item number correctly. If the item was removed by eBay, please consider this transaction canceled*** I DID NOT CANCEL THE AUCTION. eBay offered NO explanation as to why they removed this auction. As far as I know, the 796D is NOT banned for sale on eBay. They cancel your auction, but they DO NOT refund your listing fee. They send you NO e-mail explaining the removal. NONE. I sent them an inquiry, but so far no response. This is NO WAY to do business. I am now out the listing fees, and the financial reward of the winning bid. eBay, or SOMEONE hurt me bad in this, for no legitimate reason.... Other then what I THINK happened. Some NO LIFE, MISERABLE lurker in these groups, basically a RAT , SCUMBAG dropped a dime on my newsgroup listings to eBay, and they removed my auction. If you check my newsgroup post, and it's responses, you can formulate some potential suspects for yourself. Day in and day out these newsgroups are LOADED with nonsensical SPAM, and hore**** to beat the band, and nothing is ever done about it. Because someone was basically JEALOUS that my auction would bring a few bucks more then THEY thought it was worth, they act like a RAT ******* Newsgroup Cops and cause me harm. Well folks, the gloves are off. I will offer the scanner on a straight FOR SALE basis 80 ZILLION times on these groups. Since it is unfortunately the only game in town, if I have to, I will re-post it on eBay, but will follow eBay's rules and NOT post any FA on the newsgroups, not even rec.radio.swap. However, rest assured, that I will make a second vocation of reporting ANY and ALL FA eBay posts I find to eBay ad nauseum. Even those on the rec.swap group. eBay rules DO NOT allow posts even on a swap or for sale newsgroup. So, all you fellow hobbyists who get censored or DUMPED by eBay like I did, thank your fellow ASSHOLE lurker for it. Yes, this was LONG and I am ****ED. Thanks for reading. Dan |
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