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ARRL members, I need your help.
Please email mail this to your Division Directors and Section managers. With a loud voice, maybe we can get the ARRL to work for us instead of against us: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. sc |
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Slow Code wrote:
No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. This sounds like a great way to kill off amateur radio. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. Um, haven't you been following what is going on in the rest of the modern world? Code is dead in most first world countries, and in a few months it will be gone in the U.S. too. |
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This personifies why the Amateur Radio Service has lost an entire generation
of new members as well as why the average Ham is aged 62.5 years old. It also goes far in explaining why fewer Emergency Operations Centers managers look upon Amateur Radio as a viable means of support during an emergency. This thinking truly puts the "amateur" back into the Amateur Radio Service. This is a perfect example of viewing the future through your rear-view mirror. All in favor of that should respond to the relay league with their vote for the continuance of CW as a "filter" ; in spite of the decisions already made during the WRC03. It has already "filtered" out the expertise of those receiving the most up to date training in digital communications. Show your level of understanding of the current situation; vote for the continuance of CW as a requirement for the death of the Amateur Radio Service. You better do it quickly; the ARRL has already announced new testing material being released for exams administered after July 1st, 2006. Wink, Wink - Nudge, Nudge The Code is dead; long live the code.... "Slow Code" wrote in message k.net... Please email mail this to your Division Directors and Section managers. With a loud voice, maybe we can get the ARRL to work for us instead of against us: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. sc |
here's a thought.. don't feed this troll and we won't have to plonk another thread. ARRL members, I need your help.
here's a thought.. don't feed this troll and we won't have to plonk another
50-message thread. .. .. .. "Slow Code" wrote in message k.net... Please email mail this to your Division Directors and Section managers. With a loud voice, maybe we can get the ARRL to work for us instead of against us: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. sc |
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"Slow Code" wrote in message k.net... Please email mail this to your Division Directors and Section managers. With a loud voice, maybe we can get the ARRL to work for us instead of against us: No way. Your proposals are, in general, not reasonable. No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. Actually there are NO automatic renewals now. You must apply for the renewal. There's really no need to retest. The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. Why? It's been 74% as far back as I can remember. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. The original code test back in the earliest days of licensing was only 5wpm. It would be nice to have the 13wpm as a requirement since that's the speed at which most people can't count the dits and dahs but those who use it will get past that anyway. The 20wpm was only icing on the cake so don't see a real need for it. Those who get to the 13wpm will get to the 20wpm if they use it much. Although I advocate keeping code testing, we need not reinstate the 20wpm in my opinion. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. Pointless change. Many people don't gain enough experience or get together enough of a station in a year to know if they want to continue. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote: "Slow Code" wrote in message k.net... Please email mail this to your Division Directors and Section managers. With a loud voice, maybe we can get the ARRL to work for us instead of against us: No way. Your proposals are, in general, not reasonable. a reasonble if foolish post (it is foolish in that you arguing with a nut job) |
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Why??? Morse Code does not make you a better radio operator, On air
experiance does. This idea that morse code makes you a better operatror is nothing more then a myth. Todd N9OGL General Class Operator |
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N9OGL wrote: Why??? Morse Code does not make you a better radio operator, On air experiance does. This idea that morse code makes you a better operatror is nothing more then a myth. Todd N9OGL General Class Operator be afir it once meant something becuase morse wsas all there was but it has meant little in my lifetime or your Todd meant fairly little even in the lifetimes of the ham that scream for it |
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Woody wrote:
here's a thought.. don't feed this troll and we won't have to plonk another 50-message thread. . . . Second that! |
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N9OGL wrote: Why??? Morse Code does not make you a better radio operator, On air experiance does. This idea that morse code makes you a better operatror is nothing more then a myth. Todd N9OGL General Class Operator You only say that because you had to struggle to get the 5 wpm code required now, Toad. |
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Bert Hyman wrote in
: (Travis Jordan) wrote in : Slow Code wrote: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. This sounds like a great way to kill off amateur radio. Sounds more like a proposal from somebody who runs a VE service. I just knew none of you rotton scum would help. You Gotta have your free handouts don't you. ARRL pampered you well. I'll bet you all pay for your food with food stamps and talk on CB all day long from government assisted project housing. Assholes. |
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In article t,
Slow Code wrote: Please email mail this to your Division Directors and Section managers. With a loud voice, maybe we can get the ARRL to work for us instead of against us: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. sc The real demise of ham radio is not from dropping the code, but from making it such a elitist group that nobody wants to join. There is safety in numbers. We need to make the numbers bigger not smaller. |
ARRL members, I need your help. Friggen low-life scum.
Please.... oh, please... just don't feed the trolls...
"Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... Bert Hyman wrote in : (Travis Jordan) wrote in : Slow Code wrote: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. This sounds like a great way to kill off amateur radio. Sounds more like a proposal from somebody who runs a VE service. I just knew none of you rotton scum would help. You Gotta have your free handouts don't you. ARRL pampered you well. I'll bet you all pay for your food with food stamps and talk on CB all day long from government assisted project housing. Assholes. |
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The Wasp wrote: In article t, Slow Code wrote: Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. sc The real demise of ham radio is not from dropping the code, but from making it such a elitist group that nobody wants to join. There is safety in numbers. We need to make the numbers bigger not smaller. well said |
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umm, moron I took my 5 WPM back in 1991 and my 13 WPM in 1993...you
don't what the **** your talking about Todd N9OGL |
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umm, moron I took my 5 WPM back in 1991 and my 13 WPM in 1993...you
don't what the **** your talking about Todd N9OGL |
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The Wasp wrote in
: In article t, Slow Code wrote: Please email mail this to your Division Directors and Section managers. With a loud voice, maybe we can get the ARRL to work for us instead of against us: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. sc The real demise of ham radio is not from dropping the code, but from making it such a elitist group that nobody wants to join. There is safety in numbers. We need to make the numbers bigger not smaller. Yes. One big happy CB like family with a few Homo's thrown in to make it more perverted. sc |
ARRL members, I need your help. Friggen low-life scum.
jawod wrote: Woody wrote: Please.... oh, please... just don't feed the trolls... I completely agree In case there is ANYBODY out there not realizing this yet: Here's how it works: A post will go as follows: "The ARRL is a Nazi (or insert Liberal or Gay, or whatever) and all Techs (or Extras or...)should be shot. AND I SUPPORT IT!!!" on the other hand it is at least more on topic that the filth posted by wisemen and robeson |
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You are the one posting filth, beer enema boy!
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Not Cocksucker Lloyd wrote: You are the one posting filth, beer enema boy! nope get help wismen |
ARRL members, I need your help.
Why would anyone want to belong to the ARRL. All they care about is your
doe. Save the doe for dinner... "N9OGL" wrote in message ups.com... Why??? Morse Code does not make you a better radio operator, On air experiance does. This idea that morse code makes you a better operatror is nothing more then a myth. Todd N9OGL General Class Operator |
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assraped by an old freind wrote: Not Cocksucker Lloyd wrote: You are the one posting filth, beer enema boy! nope Yep. |
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"Steve N." wrote in
: Slow, It's is a shame you have to: 1- talk like this and 2- have so little respect for others and 3- have no ability to rationally discuss prows and cons complex issues and 4- have a poor understanding of what makes a good ham and 5- have so little understanding some real-world practical aspects of this issue and most importantly... 6- show such poor ham characteristics. 7- and probably have so little real knowledge of ham radio, is my guess. and 8- be a troll If you're also a 20 WPM extra, then we can easily do without your immature attitudes and behaviors here and on the bands. Hey guys! it is also a shame you get drawn into these types and feed their small minds. 73, Steve, K9DCI Yes, Yes, yes, but what are your thoughts on the following: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. sc |
ARRL members, I need your help. Friggen low-life scum.
Slow Code wrote: "Steve N." wrote in : Slow, It's is a shame you have to: 1- talk like this and 2- have so little respect for others and 3- have no ability to rationally discuss prows and cons complex issues and 4- have a poor understanding of what makes a good ham and 5- have so little understanding some real-world practical aspects of this issue and most importantly... 6- show such poor ham characteristics. 7- and probably have so little real knowledge of ham radio, is my guess. and 8- be a troll If you're also a 20 WPM extra, then we can easily do without your immature attitudes and behaviors here and on the bands. Hey guys! it is also a shame you get drawn into these types and feed their small minds. 73, Steve, K9DCI Yes, Yes, yes, but what are your thoughts on the following: but he aswer that in in 3 and 4 and 5 |
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In article . net,
Slow Code wrote: Yes, Yes, yes, but what are your thoughts on the following: Meta-comment: I think that if all of the ideas you propose were actually enacted into regulation, and then ten years were go by, the United States Amateur Radio Service would be unlikely to have more than 1/4 of the number of licencees that it has today. That's great if you want to create a "private club" for a few years after that. However, it's lousy if you want there to actually *be* an Amateur Radio Service twenty or thirty years from now. With so few licensees and as little activity as I think there'd be after such a decimation, the odds are good that a lot of the U.S. amateur radio bands would be "re-purposed" for other spectrum users. No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. Unlikely to pass, due to the cost and bureaucratic overhead. I'd guess that at least a third of current licensees coming up for renewal would decide not to bother, and let their licenses lapse (and that's in addition to the rate of non-renewal which takes place today). The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. I'd have no real objection to this. Dunno if it's a good idea or a bad idea. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. This will never happen, for two major reasons: [1] CW is no longer an international treaty requirement AT ALL. The results of the WARC conferences made it clear that the international community considers CW a useful mode, and a big part of amateur tradition, but that it's no longer in sufficient use in military/commercial applications to justify making it a legal requirement for amateur HF licensing. [2] The FCC has made it quite clear (in their responses to the numerous petitions filed about [1]) that they no longer consider it in the public interest to require CW proficiency for an HF license. They are proposing to remove the CW requirement entirely. In its filings, the ARRL has proposed retaining the existing 5 WPM requirement for Amateur Extra. The FCC's response adds up to "No. Not justified. No CW requirement at all." My understanding is that the ARRL's comments received from their membership, and the comments received directly by the FCC in response to the various petitions, are pretty consistent. Only a small percentage of the people who have commented, feel as you do. Most commenters either want to eliminate the CW requirement entirely (as many other countries have done), or eliminate it for General and retain it for Extra. What you propose is also unlikely to happen because the FCC and ARRL both remember what happened the last time they tried tightening the rules and raising the requirements and trying to force people to upgrade. My understanding (from reading - I wasn't licensed back then) is that the Powers That Be concluded that this sort of incentive licensing pressure created more resentment, and did more damage to the health of the amateur radio community, than whatever benefits came from it justified. I've read statements from the FCC, over the past few years, to the effect that they're just not interested in taking operating privileges away from anyone. Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. Once again, I think that the number of licensees that the Amateur Radio Service would lose (or would never get in the first place, once people learned of the non-renewable status) would outweigh the possible advantage of this approach (giving licensees more of an inducement to increase their level of knowledge, and upgrade). -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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OK, OK, OK I'll bite just a bit...
"Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... "Steve N." wrote in : Slow, It's is a shame you have to: 1- talk like this and 2- have so little respect for others and 3- have no ability to rationally discuss prows and cons complex issues and 4- have a poor understanding of what makes a good ham and 5- have so little understanding some real-world practical aspects of this issue and most importantly... 6- show such poor ham characteristics. 7- and probably have so little real knowledge of ham radio, is my guess. and 8- be a troll If you're also a 20 WPM extra, then we can easily do without your immature attitudes and behaviors here and on the bands. Hey guys! it is also a shame you get drawn into these types and feed their small minds. 73, Steve, K9DCI Yes, Yes, yes, but what are your thoughts on the following: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. sc, Lesee... Well, I believe you have some discussable concepts here. In other areas there are currency requirements. Flying, for example. If you haven't kept up, you need refresher flights with an instructor. We first try to outline what is gained / lost over time and whether re-testing can address these issues. Old timers will be required to learn about QPSK and all the modern concepts. Then we go from here. One general area you seem to fail to address is some of the practical aspects regarding number of licensees and the viability of retaining the Amateur Service all together. If the number of Hams keeps declining, will there be ANY licenses...and do you (in general) want to preserve something, or kill it all if numbers fall, manufacturers stop producing products, etc... This can not be ignored in the rest of the discussions. I know Extras who couldn't build a thing, yet are active, intelligent and law abiding. They have interest I can discuss with them. I also know no-code'ers that are the most serious hams around...not to mention several that came from CB and are now died-in-the-wool-hams. I also hear Extras on the air that should aim for a tree the next time they drive a car. Is learning CW a "right of passage" and an effort that helps to strengthen the Ham...yes...for some. Does it guarantee an excellent, expert Ham? Not by a long shot. That comes from elsewhere. However, based on the post of yours that I responded to, I choose not to go further since you have demonstrated such a poor attitude, I feel it is not worth the time exploring with you. Ill pick more important battles. Enjoy your Hamm activities (if you have any) and be content. you brand or devisiveness accompliches nothing except, perhaps allowing a few of the responders to vent and possibly hear (though by accident) some reasonable points. Do you have a call, name? With a pseudonym like yours, I'd think you'dbe on the other side. What are you affraid of? 73, Steve K9DCI The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. How about the licence grade depending on the score? How about much more strict requirements for on-air procedure. I hear many who have licenses and still don't know how to communicate efficiently in emergency drills or ID properly. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. CW only was a requirement due to international treaty in the first place. That is no longer the case. You are clrarly hung up on CW. WHY? What does it bring / guarantee? Why is CW so much more important that all other aspects of on-air operation? Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. This still comes directly from the "CW or nothing" concept. 73 (in the truest sense) |
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ARRL members, I need your help...[snip]
"Steve N." wrote in
: OK, OK, OK I'll bite just a bit... "Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... "Steve N." wrote in : Slow, It's is a shame you have to: 1- talk like this and 2- have so little respect for others and 3- have no ability to rationally discuss prows and cons complex issues and 4- have a poor understanding of what makes a good ham and 5- have so little understanding some real-world practical aspects of this issue and most importantly... 6- show such poor ham characteristics. 7- and probably have so little real knowledge of ham radio, is my guess. and 8- be a troll If you're also a 20 WPM extra, then we can easily do without your immature attitudes and behaviors here and on the bands. Hey guys! it is also a shame you get drawn into these types and feed their small minds. 73, Steve, K9DCI Yes, Yes, yes, but what are your thoughts on the following: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and pass all elements required for their license class. sc, Lesee... Well, I believe you have some discussable concepts here. In other areas there are currency requirements. Flying, for example. If you haven't kept up, you need refresher flights with an instructor. We first try to outline what is gained / lost over time and whether re-testing can address these issues. Old timers will be required to learn about QPSK and all the modern concepts. Then we go from here. One general area you seem to fail to address is some of the practical aspects regarding number of licensees and the viability of retaining the Amateur Service all together. If the number of Hams keeps declining, will there be ANY licenses...and do you (in general) want to preserve something, or kill it all if numbers fall, manufacturers stop producing products, etc... This can not be ignored in the rest of the discussions. I know Extras who couldn't build a thing, yet are active, intelligent and law abiding. They have interest I can discuss with them. I also know no-code'ers that are the most serious hams around...not to mention several that came from CB and are now died-in-the-wool-hams. I also hear Extras on the air that should aim for a tree the next time they drive a car. Is learning CW a "right of passage" and an effort that helps to strengthen the Ham...yes...for some. Does it guarantee an excellent, expert Ham? Not by a long shot. That comes from elsewhere. However, based on the post of yours that I responded to, I choose not to go further since you have demonstrated such a poor attitude, I feel it is not worth the time exploring with you. Ill pick more important battles. Enjoy your Hamm activities (if you have any) and be content. you brand or devisiveness accompliches nothing except, perhaps allowing a few of the responders to vent and possibly hear (though by accident) some reasonable points. Do you have a call, name? With a pseudonym like yours, I'd think you'dbe on the other side. What are you affraid of? 73, Steve K9DCI The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%. How about the licence grade depending on the score? How about much more strict requirements for on-air procedure. I hear many who have licenses and still don't know how to communicate efficiently in emergency drills or ID properly. Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra. CW only was a requirement due to international treaty in the first place. That is no longer the case. You are clrarly hung up on CW. WHY? What does it bring / guarantee? Why is CW so much more important that all other aspects of on-air operation? Make the no-code Tech license one year non-renewable. This still comes directly from the "CW or nothing" concept. 73 (in the truest sense) My arguement has always been for the quality of the hams. You appreciate something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect the rewards it gives. Cheapening something makes it disposable. Ham numbers are declining. sc |
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Slow Code wrote: "Steve N." wrote in : OK, OK, OK I'll bite just a bit... This still comes directly from the "CW or nothing" concept. 73 (in the truest sense) My arguement has always been for the quality of the hams. You appreciate something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect the rewards it gives. you arguement is false I value things based on their proifit to me My tech license is higher profitable becuase it took little to get and get me a lot Cheapening something makes it disposable. how is making testing reflect reality cheapening? Ham numbers are declining. becuase of age mostly hams are litterly dying off sc |
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On 2006-05-25, Slow Code wrote:
to be a ham now days, so licensing requirements have to be low in order to help keep our numbers up. They won't work for a license. I don't think that's entirely true. I'm working for my license. Learning code, radio and antenna theory, SMT, and every other thing I can think of. Got an ARRL Handbook ('91), a cheapo hand key, and a G. West test book. Do I think code should be required? Yes. IMO, knowing what I'm doing is what being a ham is all about. Knowing code is part of that. In fact, with the possible spread of BPL, CW may again become the only way to punch through. If I just wanted to press a button and yap, I'd buy a CB or a cellphone. nb |
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Slow Code wrote: (Dave Platt) wrote in : Reading all you wrote, what you are basically saying is that no one wants to be a ham now days, so licensing requirements have to be low in order to help keep our numbers up. They won't work for a license. well your posts do tend to show you can't read what anyone write sc |
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assraped by an_old_friend wrote: Slow Code wrote: (Dave Platt) wrote in : Reading all you wrote, what you are basically saying is that no one wants to be a ham now days, so licensing requirements have to be low in order to help keep our numbers up. They won't work for a license. well your posts do tend to show you can't read what anyone write Oh, the irony! Markie Morgan, kb9rqz, proves his illiteracy when he slobbered in Message-ID: .com: "Icertainly can so I am not ileiterate" |
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Slow, Can you address any of my comments in my previous, or here ? My arguement has always been for the quality of the hams. OK. Given this, is it true that everything else is unimportant to you - only the quality? [there always have been jerks around.] You appreciate something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect the rewards it gives. I think I can agree with this. Give a kid a car or whatever, and he's more likely to treat it badly. Make him work for it and he appreciates the value and shows the appropriate care with it.. Cheapening something makes it disposable. Yea.... I understand that having to do the CW thing is more work and more likely that the licence will be valued, but what about putting the prospective ham through other, more rigorous hoops, like electronic theory, emcom, etc. Why won't more modern "hoops" work the same way to bolster the individual's respect for the service? Ham numbers are declining. I believe this is true, but what is you reason for stating this? Are you glad this is happening or sad or indifferent? 73, Steve, K9DCI |
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"Steve N." wrote in
: Slow, Can you address any of my comments in my previous, or here ? My arguement has always been for the quality of the hams. OK. Given this, is it true that everything else is unimportant to you - only the quality? [there always have been jerks around.] So let's have more? You appreciate something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect the rewards it gives. I think I can agree with this. Give a kid a car or whatever, and he's more likely to treat it badly. Make him work for it and he appreciates the value and shows the appropriate care with it.. Cheapening something makes it disposable. Yea.... I understand that having to do the CW thing is more work and more likely that the licence will be valued, but what about putting the prospective ham through other, more rigorous hoops, like electronic theory, emcom, etc. Why won't more modern "hoops" work the same way to bolster the individual's respect for the service? Yes, 85% passing score for writtens. Ham numbers are declining. I believe this is true, but what is you reason for stating this? Are you glad this is happening or sad or indifferent? The numbers don't matter, quality does. Reasoning a service is good because it has lots of members, CB should be great then, but it's like a kindergarten. sc |
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Slow Code wrote: "Steve N." wrote in : Ham numbers are declining. I believe this is true, but what is you reason for stating this? Are you glad this is happening or sad or indifferent? The numbers don't matter, quality does. number do Matter this line show you as a complete fool Reasoning a service is good because it has lots of members, CB should be great then, but it's like a kindergarten. it also suffering from ZERO danger of losing it freqs either still nothing in your materail even suggests that CW testing is good for the ARS besudes you and your freinds have failed to convine the FCC of ithat read the NPRM if you can't sell even if it were the truth it would not matter sc |
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"Slow Code" wrote in message t... "Steve N." wrote in : Slow, Can you address any of my comments in my previous, or here ? Unfortunately, it appears not too well.. is it true that everything else is unimportant to you - only the quality? [there always have been jerks around.] So let's have more? ...is not an answer to my question and this question provides no clue. It implies I said that more jerks will result from those that will always be there...I think. or that I want more... You appreciate something more that you had to work to achieve, and respect the rewards it gives. ...snip... Yea.... I understand ... but what about putting the prospective ham through other, more rigorous hoops, like electronic theory, emcom, etc. Why won't more modern "hoops" work the same way to bolster the individual's respect for the service? Yes, 85% passing score for writtens. OK, 85% is another kind of hoop. but Please answer my "Why" question. Ham numbers are declining. I believe this is true, but what is you reason for stating this? Are you glad this is happening or sad or indifferent? The numbers don't matter, quality does. OK, so this seems to answer my other question. While I agree, that in a perfect world I would also restrict licences to only those who have a decent head on their shoulders...however, do _you_ trust _me_ to decide whose head is good? These are my last questions: Do you believe: 1- CW and 85% on exams will prevent or seriously limit the number of knuckleheads who sneek through? 2- That I am lying when I tell of some no-code techs that I personally know are the most serious, level headed and law abiding hams I know? 3- That I am lying when I tell you that I also know some very good hams who came up through CB and are just as law abiding when on the ham bands as anyone, just as serious about being good citizens, do emergency prep work and help others? Reasoning a service is good because it has lots of members, [ is incorrent reasoning] is what the implied completion of that sentence is. I agree. There have been and are some pretty wacko organizations. ....but... CB should be great then, but it's like a kindergarten. Is a gross generalization. How often do you listen? How many "CB'ers" have you recently talked to? I listen once in a while just to see what's going on and be able to speak with first hand knowledge, and do hear some garbage, but I also hear of how it has helped in aread and ther ewere no hams around to help. Also, some areas have been worse than others, 1- I believe you have a limited view of CB [and no, I haven't been a "CB'er" but I have carried a radio on a few, I think two long trips where I would have trouble getting into repeaters for long periods.]. I have been helped by "CBers". 2- what percentage of CB users are jerks? 3- What percentage of hams are jerks? then... 4- What percentage of jerks makes the service bad? My suggestions CW optional as it is now for *ALL* modes, but remove from the tests...except possibly for Extra - my jury's still out on this. 85-87% on tests, but Much more on propagation, antenna systems and emergency station operations and emergency communications and laws. Then some others in the "if I were Amateur Radio Service God" department... Currency requiremets like pilots that include familiarity recent developments. Proof of license, and that you can understand, explain and operate at least 90% of the functions on a radio in order to buy. If I wanted to be an old timer, I'd also require construction of something...knowledge of the history of ham Radio. Then being more modern, something like proficiency in software, digital modes and satellite ops. Gee, I should spend more time on these.... not. More important fish to fry. Sorry, guys, I just couldn't resist a little chain jerking here. 73, Steve, K9DCI At lease I got sc to answer a few questions ... sort of. |
ARRL members, I need your help.
Back in the day when I got my Advanced, my Tech class Elmer pointed out that
if you don't know the code, how do you know what repeater you're on? Most automated identifications are still Morse code and it is still legal. It is sad that Morse code is so under utilized. It is a testimony to the lack of interest in the greatest tool for weak signal work. If you have no interest in learning Morse code, than you affirm that your communications capabilities should be limited to voice capabilities. Who in emergency communications believes that their capabilities should be limited by a lack of expertise? Perhaps they believe that emergency commumications should be restricted to FRS? Rediculous! Still, we see even avid DXers throw in the towel on a weak one when Morse code would have cut through the pile-up in a heart beat. A friend in High School made DXCC in 2 years on CW only, with a 100 watt radio and dipoles! The fact remains that those who hate the code are clueless to its effectiveness. Their only defense is ignorance. Sad! AC6TK wrote in message oups.com... N9OGL wrote: Why??? Morse Code does not make you a better radio operator, On air experiance does. This idea that morse code makes you a better operatror is nothing more then a myth. Todd N9OGL General Class Operator You only say that because you had to struggle to get the 5 wpm code required now, Toad. |
ARRL members, I need your help.
JB wrote: Back in the day when I got my Advanced, my Tech class Elmer pointed out that if you don't know the code, how do you know what repeater you're on? you know byt eh freq and pl tone you have set It is sad that Morse code is so under utilized. It is a testimony to the lack of interest in the greatest tool for weak signal work. If you have no interest in learning Morse code, than you affirm that your communications capabilities should be limited to voice capabilities. Who in emergency communications believes that their capabilities should be limited by a lack of expertise? Perhaps they believe that emergency commumications should be restricted to FRS? Rediculous! Still, we see even avid DXers throw in the towel on a weak one when Morse code would have cut through the pile-up in a heart beat. A friend in High School made DXCC in 2 years on CW only, with a 100 watt radio and dipoles! The fact remains that those who hate the code are clueless to its effectiveness. Their only defense is ignorance. Sad! AC6TK butyou need to face facts it aint happening |
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