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December 23rd 03, 12:01 PM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
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(Brian) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Brian)
Date: 12/20/03 9:09 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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ubject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 12/20/03 2:50 PM Central Standard Time
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So, give us an EXACT number of ARRL members.

Check their annual postal statement. It's a violation for them to
purjure
that, and it delineates the number of "paid subscriptions" (ie: paid-up
members)

Steve, K4YZ

I was a member of the ARRL prior to earning my Novice ticket.

What was my call sign then?

I am sure there was a point ot your asking this question, Brain, even
though it was not part-and-parcel of the quoted item above.

Regardless of your licensure status when you joined the ARRL, the only
'relevence' would have been your voting staus. You were STILL a member.

Now...the point?

Steve, K4YZ

Let me think it through for you.

A non-member, me, receives QST. I am included in the annual postal
statement.

Every library is included in the postal statement.

Every club that subscribes is included in the postal statement.

Every foreign subscriber non-member is included in the postal
statement.

Now would you mind answereing the question: "So, give us an EXACT
number of ARRL members."

He cannot, so, as his "representative" in here, I will. :-)

According to the ARRL's own information, their last Publisher's
Sworn Circulation Statement was end of June, 2003.

At that time ARRL membership was 155,132.

Of those, 19,180 were Life Members.

All of the information is from ARRL's own website under QST
Circulation. There are some apparent discrepancies on that,
probably due to "creative rearrangement" of the data. For example,
the "average monthly paid circulaion" (six months, ending at end
of June) was only 142,992. Between that and the indicated
membership is 12,140 unaccounted for and not explained by any
sales to library/institution subscriptions (only 891) or net single
copy sales (only 1,784).

In the "average monthly paid circulation by type," the number of
issues to associations and members (including Life Members) was
140,317 and, with libraries and single copy sales, adds up to
142,311. That's off of Cathy's statement of 142,992 by 681. ?

If there were 682 thousand total U.S. amateur radio licensees at
the end of June, 2003, then ARRL membership is only 22.79%
and LESS than a quarter.

LHA

"But, but, but....

YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE! YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO READ THOSE FIGURES
ON THE ARRL WEB SITE. YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO MATH AND CREATE A
RATIO OF MEMBEERS TO NON-MEMBERS. YOUR RESEARCH DOESN'T COUNT. YOU
CAN'T HAVE AN OPINION.

....blah, blah, blah."

Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya?

Merry Christmas.