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December 23rd 03, 04:15 PM
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Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Brian) Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "But, but, but.... I snipped the rant. Caps and all. Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya? Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles "knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite" excuses. Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to have that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then. Steve, K4YZ |
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#3
December 23rd 03, 10:55 PM
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change. From: (Brian) Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "But, but, but.... I snipped the rant. Caps and all. Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya? Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles "knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite" excuses. Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to have that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then. Steve, K4YZ So how many members does the ARRL have? |
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#4
December 23rd 03, 11:22 PM
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Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (Brian) Date: 12/23/03 4:55 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change. From: (Brian) Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "But, but, but.... I snipped the rant. Caps and all. Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya? Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles "knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite" excuses. Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to have that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then. Steve, K4YZ So how many members does the ARRL have? Enough, I am sure. I showed you how to find out. You do the math. You CAN "do the math", can't you, "BRAIN"...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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#5
December 24th 03, 04:01 AM
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Brian wrote:
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change. From: (Brian) Date: 12/23/03 6:01 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "But, but, but.... I snipped the rant. Caps and all. Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya? Neither you nor Lennie have expressed ANYthing here that resembles "knowldege" or "facts", Brain. Lennie's manipulating of ARRL membership numbers is interesting, but just as much "theory" as his "Extra Lite" excuses. Try again, Brain...It's almost Christmas and I am sure you'd like to have that warm, fuzzy feeling again before then. Steve, K4YZ So how many members does the ARRL have? At least 2, you and me. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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#6
December 23rd 03, 08:49 PM
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In article ,
(Brian) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (Brian) writes: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... Subject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL From: (Brian) Date: 12/20/03 9:09 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ... ubject: Why You Don't Like The ARRL From: (Len Over 21) Date: 12/20/03 2:50 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: So, give us an EXACT number of ARRL members. Check their annual postal statement. It's a violation for them to purjure that, and it delineates the number of "paid subscriptions" (ie: paid-up members) Steve, K4YZ I was a member of the ARRL prior to earning my Novice ticket. What was my call sign then? I am sure there was a point ot your asking this question, Brain, even though it was not part-and-parcel of the quoted item above. Regardless of your licensure status when you joined the ARRL, the only 'relevence' would have been your voting staus. You were STILL a member. Now...the point? Steve, K4YZ Let me think it through for you. A non-member, me, receives QST. I am included in the annual postal statement. Every library is included in the postal statement. Every club that subscribes is included in the postal statement. Every foreign subscriber non-member is included in the postal statement. Now would you mind answereing the question: "So, give us an EXACT number of ARRL members." He cannot, so, as his "representative" in here, I will. :-) According to the ARRL's own information, their last Publisher's Sworn Circulation Statement was end of June, 2003. At that time ARRL membership was 155,132. Of those, 19,180 were Life Members. All of the information is from ARRL's own website under QST Circulation. There are some apparent discrepancies on that, probably due to "creative rearrangement" of the data. For example, the "average monthly paid circulaion" (six months, ending at end of June) was only 142,992. Between that and the indicated membership is 12,140 unaccounted for and not explained by any sales to library/institution subscriptions (only 891) or net single copy sales (only 1,784). In the "average monthly paid circulation by type," the number of issues to associations and members (including Life Members) was 140,317 and, with libraries and single copy sales, adds up to 142,311. That's off of Cathy's statement of 142,992 by 681. ? If there were 682 thousand total U.S. amateur radio licensees at the end of June, 2003, then ARRL membership is only 22.79% and LESS than a quarter. LHA "But, but, but.... YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE! YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO READ THOSE FIGURES ON THE ARRL WEB SITE. YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO MATH AND CREATE A RATIO OF MEMBEERS TO NON-MEMBERS. YOUR RESEARCH DOESN'T COUNT. YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OPINION. ...blah, blah, blah." Welp, Len, see where knowledge and facts will get ya? Merry Christmas. I know. Isn't it awful? :-) It's so comforting to know that one can read and repeat Cathy's Circulation page on ARRL's website as a "LIE!" :-) There are other little gems from da Wundermarine in here, such as its impossible for a First Phone to be used in U.S. civil aviation band radio communications since a Restricted 3rd Class "must" be used...which was nonsense in 1962...and later when the Commercial licenses got converted to the General Radiotelephone. He could not give exact figures on QST circulation for any issue (despite being only a few key- presses away from the main web page) but he "Knows" the exact costs in certain years for student flying lessons. The circulation for QST is very much amateur radio related but the student pilot costs are not. [he might have been hit by a couple of close isobars once and had an adiabatic lapse rate decrease...:-) ] Stebe thinks that the "majority" of U.S. amateur radio activity is above HF. That must mean that he never listens below 30 MHz. Probably true since all he can do is transmit over- modulated shouting and hollering about close-order drill below 30 MHz. Hup too tree foah, ya lie, ya lie, ya lie! :-) The ONLY way one can be "interested in radio" is to get a ham license and be proficient in morse code...with extra gold stars if one was once a member of da murine corpse. Doesn't hurt if one was a purchasing agent for a small modem and set-top box company in the "south" for a few months...that counts as "being in radio engineering!" :-) Amateur radio FUN is only "ancilliary" to the U.S. amateur radio SERVICE. Ham radio is all about wearing a Lifestyle mental uniform, marching in ranks to the morse drumbeat of the 1930s, and being ready, willing, able to "take over communications" when all the commercial/professional infrastructure FAILS in an emergency? That's the thoughts I see expressed in here. There can be no fun in the ham SERVICE. It is all about duty, dedication, close-order drill on the proper and correct jargon and prosigns. [why the name "prosigns" when there is so much hatred of the pros?] Hupp, too, tree, foah! Beep, beep, beep! It's a wonderful life. [but all the cast players are mentally SK] Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, Brian, all the best to you and your family. Len Anderson |
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#7
December 24th 03, 03:21 PM
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#8
December 25th 03, 11:02 PM
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Subject: Why You Don't Like Ham's Who Can't Accept Change.
From: (N2EY) Date: 12/24/03 9:21 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Amateur radio FUN is only "ancilliary" to the U.S. amateur radio SERVICE. Ham radio is all about wearing a Lifestyle mental uniform, marching in ranks to the morse drumbeat of the 1930s, and being ready, willing, able to "take over communications" when all the commercial/professional infrastructure FAILS in an emergency? That's the thoughts I see expressed in here. By whom? There can be no fun in the ham SERVICE. Says who? Say Sir Putzii the First. He's said it over and over so it HAS to be true, Jim. =) Thank God yet another "holiday" is only 7 hours from being over. Maybe we can get back to some semplence of sanity...But not until the "Day After" sakes are over, I guess..... 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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#9
January 2nd 04, 10:51 PM
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In article , (N2EY)
writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: There can be no fun in the ham SERVICE. Says who? The Field First Sergeant of your SERVICE company when you fall out for roll call at 0530. Answer "here" as your name is called...sound off like you got a pair... Hup, too, tree, foah... LHA |
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#10
January 3rd 04, 04:54 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (N2EY) writes: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: There can be no fun in the ham SERVICE. Says who? The Field First Sergeant of your SERVICE company when you fall out for roll call at 0530. Answer "here" as your name is called...sound off like you got a pair... Hup, too, tree, foah... LHA He's still out there, somewhere, marching and calling cadence all by hisself. |
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