Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
determined to be as snarly as possible scribbles in crayon:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You are an amateur extra, a shining role model for the amateur
community.

And you are not. You're not a Novice. Your'e not a Tech. You're not a
General. You're not an Advanced. You aren't a participant.

I am an electronics engineer, working for pecuniary interest, but no
longer at regular hours. I am also a hobbyist without pecuniary
compensation.

Right. There you go back into your professional background.

I've been working on that professional background for 51 years. :-)

....and sitting on it for just as long :-)

That isn't amateur radio.

That isn't HAM radio, sweetums. "Amateur" is defined as "without
pecuniary interest." Even the FCC defines amateur radio that way.

Looks like you're tangled in another Andersonian misdefinition.

Lots of us are hobbyists in any number of fields.

You are out standing in your field now.

You're some kind of hobbyist. You aren't a radio amateur.

Poor baby. Still so confused, scrunching up his fat little fingers,
bound and determined to Have His Way! :-)

It isn't my way. You are not a radio amateur under anyone's defintion
of the term.

Hobbyists in radio are defineable as amateurs in radio if they do not
make any income from it.

Only some SWL with delusions of grandeur would tell his friends that he
is a radio amateur. The terms "amateurs in radio" are not synonymous
with "amateur radio" or "radio amateur".

LICENSES in amateur radio are required to transmit RF on allocated
amateur radio bands in order to be legal with the federal government.

Really? You constantly amaze those of us who hold such licenses. We
had NO IDEA that such was the reason for those licenses. You're a
fountain of readily obtainable and commonly known information.

Poor baby, doesn't understand that amateur radio licenses are NO
GOOD outside of allocated amateur bands. That's true. Anyone can
verify that with Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, especially in
Parts 1 and 2..

Well, poor Leonard, I think those of us holding such licenses are well
aware of just where in the RF sprectrum we may use them. That's another
great piece of commonly known information you've provided. I'm ever so
grateful.

Did you know that the federal government can operate all kinds of RF
emitters without having ANY operators licensed? True. A ham license
there isn't worth the price of a ham sandwich. No criminal liability!

Super "news", Len, though I don't have the slightest idea of why I'm
supposed to care.

Don't you just HATE it when your rant gets destroyed?

I dunno about anything being destroyed. It seems you've decided on a
detour.

I've been involved with radio and electronics, both with and without
pecuniary interest since 1947.

Bully for you. You haven't been involved in amateur radio at all.

:-) I haven't been involved in LICENSED amateur radio.

Just a bootlegger, huh?

Too bad I can't bring up Jim Fisk as a reference (he is SK). I don't
know about Alf Wilson, W6NIF, or Rich Rosen.

Yep, "Ham Radio" magazine and Jim Fisk are both defunct.

They were rather
involved with HAM RADIO. :-)

Yep. They were also involved in ham radio. You aren't.

I guess you really showed us, huh?

That's not difficult. :-)

You'll have to do a lot better than you've been doing.

I returned your snipped line to its rightful place. We wouldn't want
you to mislead others now, would we?

Anyone can read these public postings without your selective
editing. :-)

You did the selective edit. I replaced what you cut.

You don't seem to comprehend half of it, but that's quite another
problem and all yours.

I don't think so. If you were better able to express your thoughts and
if they reflected facts, there might not be a problem.

Right. U.S. amateur radio is a SECRET, classified service which NO
outsider can possibly know about, therefore no one can comment
unless they have an amateur license.

You can read up on it in "Now You're Talking".

Morsemanship isn't "talking." It's beeping.

You'll have to start somewhere, Len. Since the 5 wpm "Extra right out
of the box" was too high a hurdle, you might want to start with no code
test.


Right. NOBODY can become involved unless they are already involved.

Wrong. NOBODY can become unvolved until they take steps to do so.
You can read up on astronomy. That alone does not make you an
astronomer.

Oh? Astronomers need to be "licensed" and take a morse test?

Is that what you think I wrote? I'm beginning to see that you and Brian
share more than a few traits.

You can peruse magazines and books on auto repair. Those things alone
do not make you a car mechanic.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Riiiiight. I guess Kragen and all those auto parts stores are doomed
for lack of sales, right? :-)

I didn't bring up auto parts stores. I wrote that simply reading a book
or magazine doesn't make you a car mechanic.

Right. In order to "show interest in radio," everyone has to learn morse
code and get a ham license.

Wrong. You've been corrected on this same mis-statement of yours on a
number of occasions. It is "interest in AMATEUR radio", Leonard.

Noooo, noooo. You are desperately trying to hang on but are
inexorably drawn over the edge. It's a very long drop below you...

You can type "Noooo, noooo" until your fingers bleed. That won't change
things. Every time I've written "interest in amateur radio" or
"interested in amateur radio", you've responded with this "interest in
radio" thing. Your "interest in radio" can be satisfied by tuning in
Sean Hannity.

LICENSED amateur radio is what you are trying (vainly) to say and then
only to be legal with the federal government on transmitting RF energy
WITHIN allocated amateur radio bands. As the FCC explains, an
amateur radio license is NOT required for transmitting RF energy outside
of amateur radio bands. That sort of thing is quite illegal. :-).

Where've you been? Have a nice nap, did you?

That's only for CIVILIAN radio services and the FCC has NO jurisdiction
over government users of radio.

Great. Become a government user of radio.

But, did you know that UNLICENSED civilians can use certain allocated
radio bands and transmit RF energy without taking a single test? True!
Been several of those since 1958! Ask the FCC about non-amateur
radio services if you are too "involved" in amateur radio activity to go
look it up. :-)

Super. Enjoy your channelized slices of post-1958 spectrum. You still
aren't a radio amateur.

Neither your decades-long "interest" nor your "Extra right out of the
box" boast of several years ago have resulted in your having taken a
single step toward obtaining even the most basic level of amateur radio
license.

Poor baby. Still angry over the past?

Why would I be angry that you haven't lived up to your boast?

You STILL can't understand why I am here. I've explained it enough
times, but your have this set-in-concrete mind that can't get flexible
enough to understand. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Nobody seems to understand why you're here. You aren't a regulator.
You aren't a radio amateur. You've commented to your government.

Right. The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states
that no citizen can comment about any amateur radio regulations unless
they already possess an amateur radio license. Right.

You've commented. End of involvement.

Not even close to the "end."

"Comments" are NOT "involvement" even in your distorted little Middle
Earth view, Frodo. [you aren't Golem, but the resemblance is there]

Comments are much involvement as you'll have in amateur radio, Leonard.

A number of them did merit explanation after you attempted to twist them
into something else. It is "interested in AMATEUR radio". Why do you
persist in deleting that very important word?

Sigh..."amateur" refers to an activity without pecuniary interest. The
FCC uses those same words. [the FCC granted your amateur radio
license]

*Sigh* You aren't a radio amateur. The FCC did not grant you an amateur
radio license.

The word "amateur" (with or without all-capitals) does not explicitly
say TRANSMISSION OF RF ENERGY IN ALLOCATED AMATEUR
RADIO BANDS. Your prized amateur radio license is NO GOOD for
legal transmission of RF energy OUTSIDE of allocated amateur bands.

More info from Leonard H. Anderson, fountain of already known
information.

In fact, in some U.S. civilian radio services it is perfectly legal to
transmit RF energy WITHOUT a license of any kind!!! Sunovagun!

That's great. Go there. Do that.

Poor baby. Another Heilian rant shot down in flames.

Len, you wouldn't want it put to a vote about who is the r.r.a.p.
ranter.


You've misdefined your interest.

Not me. YOU. All wrong, Golem...er, I mean Frodo.

I HAVE defined my "interest" quite correctly.

That you totally refuse to believe it is not my problem. Yours.

You've have never stated your obvious interest: to post frequent,
lengthy items in a newsgroup about amateur radio.

Your intellectual presbyopia is glaringly obvious.

Is it as obvious as your obsessive-compulsive need to haunt an amateur
radio newsgroup?

You have interest in internet newsgroup posting.

No more so than regular physical exercise. :-)

Typing is your idea of regular physical excercise? :-) :-)

You have interest in outlining your past professional glories.

I've spent 51 years in professional radio-electronics activity and none
of it can qualify as "glorious."


I believe you. Now just sell that idea to yourself.


Intellectually INTERESTING, yes, and
some of it quite enjoyable. If some of it was more involved than what
you did, TS, that's the breaks of life.

....and if some of it was less interesting and less involved that what I
did, you'll have to live with it. Besides, I'm a radio amateur in
addition.

Maybe your distemper is flaring up again because I got assigned to
a very large HF transmitting facility while in the U.S. Army...and got
rank and responsibility operating many high-powered HF transmitters.
51 years ago. Before your first hamme raddio license. TS for you.

Your kidding, right?

You aren't involved in amateur radio.

Not involved in TRANSMITTING RF ENERGY ON ALLOCATED HAM
BANDS, true. :-)

Don't sweat it, Len. You can inhale some of that transmitted RF energy
on allocated ham bands with your trusty Icom receiver, as an SWL.

TRANSMIT, Baggins, TRANSMIT. Like in legal RF energy within
those tight, confining HF band bounds.

Oh, we're allowed to receive too, Len. It is actually highly encouraged
to do some of both. We can even turn the stuff off and watch a movie or
read a book. I have all the room I need within to tight, confining
amateur bands denied to you.

I'm just advocating the elimination of morse code testing for any radio
license but you desperately want to make that some kind of grande
production of drama and pathos, a giant mountain built out of a mole
hill of your old morse message blanks. Tsk, tsk, tsk, you try such
theatrics! Do you have an interest in the theater? :-)

"I'm just", "I'm just". Who asked you?

Do I have an interest in theater? Oh yes. My interest extends to
attending plays and watching films. I don't attempt to tell anyone
associated with theater how to act, nor would I attempt to outline how
regulations governing theater production or movie making should be
changed. I'd never call for a minimum age for actors either.

I'll just put you down in the same emotional category as other
emotionally-seven-year-old Extras.

Those are very "involved" as long as their attention spans last... :-)

They are as involved as they'd like to be. You are as involved as you
can be.

Dave K8MN